What happened between V.K.M and

[brocklesnar1]

I keep hearing people say or joke about the macho man and the ultimate warrior and vince all the time. That they wouldn't be able to come back to the wwe for the hall of fame or it'd be unlikely.

I would just like to know what happened between Vince and THe ultimate Warrior and randy savage? Did those two wrestlers screw Vince like jeff jarret did or no show some events or what?

[Virt McGirt]

Rumor has it that Randy slept with Stephanie. As for the Warrior, IDK

[Deleted]

Randy Savage stole Kip's hotdog, while Ultimate Warrior once banished one of the Armstrong siblings to Hell.

[Fiddleford H. McGucket]

Jan 26, 2010 2:38:12 GMT -5 Virt McGirt said:

Rumor has it that Randy slept with Stephanie. As for the Warrior, IDK

Honestly, IF Savage really did sleep with/Rape/Anything Innapropriate with Stephanie, he'd be more of an Unperson than Chris Benoit. Seriously, He's not edited out of anything, there's been a DVD retrospective that was heavily advertised and he's a rumored "Big Name" for HoF this year.

Honestly as for Warrior, I'd assume that Vince's beef is more with Mr. Hellwig's lack of common sense, sanity, and penchant for believing his own BS/personal hype. As well as his unreasonable demands as a performer.

[Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan]

I think with WARRIYAH, he threatened to no-show Summerslam '91 over money, and then during his brief stint in 1996 he had a tendency of skipping house shows.

Savage... who knows? Maybe the guy likes to be a recluse.

[celticjobber]

I've heard 2 theories on Savage, the first is that he had an affair with a young Stephanie McMahon (but not necessarily underage) that Vince wasn't aware of until a few years after Savage left for WCW.

The other "theory" is that Savage took the Slim Jim sponsorship away from WWE when he was in WCW, and costed Vince alot of money. And he supposedly resents McMahon because he wanted Savage to retire from actively wrestling and only be a color commentator, when he still just wanted to wrestle.

As for Warrior, he had a history of skipping house shows, holding Vince up for more money before PPV events, and just being an all-around crazy guy. But supposedly he has a good chance of getting into the WWE Hall of Fame this year.

[Stu]

Jan 26, 2010 3:59:37 GMT -5 celticjobber said:

I've heard 2 theories on Savage, the first is that he had an affair with a young Stephanie McMahon (but not necessarily underage) that Vince wasn't aware of until a few years after Savage left for WCW.

The other "theory" is that Savage took the Slim Jim sponsorship away from WWE when he was in WCW, and costed Vince alot of money. And he supposedly resents McMahon because he wanted Savage to retire from actively wrestling and only be a color commentator, when he still just wanted to wrestle.

As for Warrior, he had a history of skipping house shows, holding Vince up for more money before PPV events, and just being an all-around crazy guy. But supposedly he has a good chance of getting into the WWE Hall of Fame this year.

Regarding Savage, those two stories have been the most-used explanations for his banishment. The latter tends to be more logical, while the former has been one of the oldest urban legends of modern times in wrestling. And people often cite Vince's kind words to Savage on live television right after he left as an indication their relationship isn't totally ruined. Nonetheless, every discussion on McMahon/Savage always comes to the same conclusion: No one other than McMahon and Savage will ever know.

As for Warrior, stories have always revolved around, as previously mentioned, him either holding out for more cash or no-showing shows. It's often said that he claimed his father died and he couldn't make it to work as a result.

Also, another strike against him is that he demanded he squash Triple H at Wrestlemania XII despite Vince's wishes, as he thought Hunter's future was too bright for him to be used in such a manner. But Hunter was a good sport and went along with it.

The irony of it all.

[johnnyk9]

If Vince can make ammends with Bret Hart why can't he with Warrior and Savage

[taylorandborland]

Somebody told me that Macho Man hit Vince like Nailz did.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Vince has reached out to Warrior right before the release of the Self-Destruction DVD. Both sides admit to that. However, Warrior is so much more of an ego-maniac than even Vince he was not able to come to reasonable terms.

I honestly don't think McMahon is the reason either of those two are so absent from WWE at this point. As Bret Hart has proven Vince has the ability to overlook past problems for a buck.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2010 3:59:37 GMT -5 celticjobber said:

The other "theory" is that Savage took the Slim Jim sponsorship away from WWE when he was in WCW, and costed Vince alot of money. And he supposedly resents McMahon because he wanted Savage to retire from actively wrestling and only be a color commentator, when he still just wanted to wrestle.

Juding from Bret Hart's book, this could be a gigantic contributing factor to the grudge Vince holds against Savage. Bret also spoke about how Savage was genuiney upset about the non-wrestling role Vince was putting him in. Apparently, Savage called Vince up in the middle of the night and drunkenly told him that he had already signed on with WCW. Vince didn't even get a chance to negotiate with him.

Personally, I'd say that the biggest issue Vince has with Savage is that Savage's fate wasn't at Vince's mercy like he liked to have with most guys. Savage was shrewd enough to screw Vince over twice on the way out, and I don't think that's something Vince's ego will ever let him live down.

[Snake "The Jake" Roberts]

savage slept with an underage shane.

[Tapout]

Jan 27, 2010 16:56:44 GMT -5 Snake "The Jake" Roberts said:

savage slept with an underage shane.

And it was this little rendezvous that would lead to Shane's amazing forcefield punching powers years later.

[manstis1804]

Jan 26, 2010 2:50:17 GMT -5 Fiddleford H. McGucket said:

Jan 26, 2010 2:38:12 GMT -5 Virt McGirt said:

Rumor has it that Randy slept with Stephanie. As for the Warrior, IDK

Honestly, IF Savage really did sleep with/Rape/Anything Innapropriate with Stephanie, he'd be more of an Unperson than Chris Benoit. Seriously, He's not edited out of anything, there's been a DVD retrospective that was heavily advertised and he's a rumored "Big Name" for HoF this year.

I don't think that's true, Benoit was a public relations nightmare the whole world knew about. Macho Man's supposed "indiscretions" are just an internet rumor that may be true.

[Red Impact]

Jan 27, 2010 17:06:02 GMT -5 manstis1804 said:

Jan 26, 2010 2:50:17 GMT -5 Fiddleford H. McGucket said:

Honestly, IF Savage really did sleep with/Rape/Anything Innapropriate with Stephanie, he'd be more of an Unperson than Chris Benoit. Seriously, He's not edited out of anything, there's been a DVD retrospective that was heavily advertised and he's a rumored "Big Name" for HoF this year.

I don't think that's true, Benoit was a public relations nightmare the whole world knew about. Macho Man's supposed "indiscretions" are just an internet rumor that may be true.

If they were true, though, it'd be more than just internet rumors to Vince. That'd be a lot bigger than bad PR.

[kass]

Vince hates Warrior because Warrior did it his way, and left with a shitload of $$$$.

[capnsteve]

Jan 26, 2010 2:50:17 GMT -5 Fiddleford H. McGucket said:

Honestly, IF Savage really did sleep with/Rape/Anything Innapropriate with Stephanie, he'd be more of an Unperson than Chris Benoit. Seriously, He's not edited out of anything, there's been a DVD retrospective that was heavily advertised and he's a rumored "Big Name" for HoF this year.

Well, the DVD and Hall of Fame induction (which is still a pretty big if) came about 10 years late. I'm pretty sure he has been removed from things too. He was taken out of one of the legends of wrestling games and allegedly the commentators were told not to mention him.

It's just a little weird the sheer number of people that Vince has forgiven, especially when none of them could make him anywhere near as much money as Savage could.

[Victory]

Vince probably also doesn't like Warrior because he won that lawsiut against him in the 90's. Warrior owns his character,likeness and all that good stuff.

VKM did however win the suit against him by Warrior for the Self Destruction DVD. Strangely though Vince paid all of Warrior's legal fees when it was done.

[Randy Barber 4-Life]

Jan 27, 2010 20:37:34 GMT -5 capnsteve said:

Jan 26, 2010 2:50:17 GMT -5 Fiddleford H. McGucket said:

Honestly, IF Savage really did sleep with/Rape/Anything Innapropriate with Stephanie, he'd be more of an Unperson than Chris Benoit. Seriously, He's not edited out of anything, there's been a DVD retrospective that was heavily advertised and he's a rumored "Big Name" for HoF this year.

Well, the DVD and Hall of Fame induction (which is still a pretty big if) came about 10 years late. I'm pretty sure he has been removed from things too. He was taken out of one of the legends of wrestling games and allegedly the commentators were told not to mention him.

It's just a little weird the sheer number of people that Vince has forgiven, especially when none of them could make him anywhere near as much money as Savage could.

Unless I'm mistaken, one thing missing Savage is the WWE Classic Superstars line of toys. Yeah, it's just a toy line but that can be taken both ways. I don't even know how many Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior variations that line had. The line also had exclusive two and three packs for famous matches/feuds. You can't tell me Macho Man Vs Warrior or Hogan two packs weren't worth producing.

[nerdinitupagain]

I love how the Slim Jim theory started with someone going "I wonder if Savage taking the Slim Jim sponsorship with him is the cause?" on a thread about two years ago here.

It's now the most accepted theory on this board regarding those two.