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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 20:23:12 GMT -5
I was wondering. Should we add a rankings system for all the titles? It has just always seemed weird to me that we have one for the IF title and not the other ones. That way we'd have less crossing between titles such as Vokoun being the hardcore champ and number one on the IF rankings. To me it just seems like it would be easier to keep track of who is in line for titles. OK, I typed about six different answers and none of them made any sense. Just trust me, it works. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 2, 2010 21:09:23 GMT -5
I was wondering. Should we add a rankings system for all the titles? It has just always seemed weird to me that we have one for the IF title and not the other ones. That way we'd have less crossing between titles such as Vokoun being the hardcore champ and number one on the IF rankings. To me it just seems like it would be easier to keep track of who is in line for titles. OK, I typed about six different answers and none of them made any sense. Just trust me, it works. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Okay but wouldn't make more sense for the rankings to be for the world title if we are just going to have one ranking system for a title? Sort of like TNA's?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jul 2, 2010 22:25:19 GMT -5
I was wondering. Should we add a rankings system for all the titles? It has just always seemed weird to me that we have one for the IF title and not the other ones. That way we'd have less crossing between titles such as Vokoun being the hardcore champ and number one on the IF rankings. To me it just seems like it would be easier to keep track of who is in line for titles. I brought this up quite some time ago but here was my proposal: The Inter-Forum Championship, Hardcore Championship, and Championship of Honor are all equally rated for ranking purposes. Should someone be number one in the rankings, they may claim Number One Contendership for any one of those three. Example: The General of the Monkey Army becomes the #1 ranked member.
Right now that would mean that he qualifies for the Inter-Forum Championship.
But what if he could choose between either the Inter-Forum Championship, the Hardcore Championship, or the Championship of Honor?I think that that would keep things simple while expanding upon them. That said, the World Championship and the Tag Team Championships should obviously have their own ranking systems.
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Post by The Hangman on Jul 2, 2010 23:23:43 GMT -5
Jeez Dave, think that promo could have been any longer? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by smokinvokoun on Jul 3, 2010 1:47:58 GMT -5
Sent my match in. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by smokinvokoun on Jul 3, 2010 2:08:23 GMT -5
Jeez Dave, think that promo could have been any longer? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Meh, I think I've had longer promos than his. ;D
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 3, 2010 18:36:48 GMT -5
I was wondering. Should we add a rankings system for all the titles? It has just always seemed weird to me that we have one for the IF title and not the other ones. That way we'd have less crossing between titles such as Vokoun being the hardcore champ and number one on the IF rankings. To me it just seems like it would be easier to keep track of who is in line for titles. I brought this up quite some time ago but here was my proposal: The Inter-Forum Championship, Hardcore Championship, and Championship of Honor are all equally rated for ranking purposes. Should someone be number one in the rankings, they may claim Number One Contendership for any one of those three. Example: The General of the Monkey Army becomes the #1 ranked member.
Right now that would mean that he qualifies for the Inter-Forum Championship.
But what if he could choose between either the Inter-Forum Championship, the Hardcore Championship, or the Championship of Honor?I think that that would keep things simple while expanding upon them. That said, the World Championship and the Tag Team Championships should obviously have their own ranking systems. I actually really like that idea. What do you think Evil M?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 19:50:00 GMT -5
I don't know. I mean, why would the number one ranked guy go for a lower card title instead of the IF? Not saying it's a bad idea, I just need to be sold on it a little more. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 3, 2010 21:18:33 GMT -5
I don't know. I mean, why would the number one ranked guy go for a lower card title instead of the IF? Not saying it's a bad idea, I just need to be sold on it a little more. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I don't know but that's kind of why I think we need a ranking system for all the titles. I mean we currently have a roster of about 28 people now so I think that is enough to do it. Here is how it would go. When you first debut you decide if you want to be in the hardcore title rankings or the championship of honor rankings. Once you win one of those you can decide to move up to the inter-forum championship rankings. Once you are a former IF title champ then you get to go up to the World Title ranking. We can have a separate ranking for the tag team division but people in it can also be in the single title rankings. Basically anyone who has been an IF champ or World Champ automatically get to go into the world title rankings. Either that or they can decide to go for another lower one if they want to get back to their roots so to speak yet i think it would work better if not too many would do that. Basically the people in the world title rankings would be former world champs like Amigo, Little Naitch, Colt, Jazzman, Viva Los Bio Dome, and former IF champs like M.O.P., Damn Right Jackson, and Boiler Room Brawler. That's 8 people for the world title ranking. For the IF Title rankings it could be any former Hardcore Title winner or Championship Of Honor winnner such as Jonathan Michaels, The Smokin Vokoun, Evil M, Tyfo, and The General. We could also put TTS in there since he is a former Heatz!!1 Champion. Also Kobain and Sparks could probably stay in there since they are currently in the IF rankings already. That's 8 for the IF Title Ranking. It'd be 6 currently since Evil M is Champion Of Honor and Smokin is Hardcore champ. For the Hardcore or Honor titles it would pretty much be D-Day Dave, Headbanger Man, Sparks, Square, Blackout, Hangman, Kris Kobain, Dream Warrior, Neo Het, Mysth, Whitey Fats, Caleb Fourchon, and Mad Man Mulligan. That's 14 for the Hardcore and Honor Titles that can be split up into 7 each. We could probably make it 6 each since Sparks and Kobain are already in the current IF rankings and it wouldn't be very fair to take them out of that. It would pretty much look like this. None of these are in any particular order. They are just random. I'm just showing what the rankings would look like with this system. World Heavyweight Title Rankings Viva Los Bio Dome Little Naitch Amigo Jazzman Colt Boiler Room Brawler Damn Right Jackson M.O.P. Inter-Forum Title Rankings Tyfo(if he wins his MITB match then he obviously moves up to the world title ranking) Jonathan Michaels The General TTS Kris Kobain Sparks Hardcore Title Rankings(same card level as Honor Title) Caleb Fourchon "Mad Man" Mulligan Headbanger Man D-Day Dave Hangman Whitey Fats Championship Of Honor Rankings(same card level as Hardcore Title) Neo Het Mysth Dream Warrior Blackout Square Now anyone in the World Title or IF Title Rankings may go back down to the Hardcore or Honor title rankings if they want to so that maybe we can add some bulk into a division that gets too small. So everyone let me know what you think. I just think this is a better structure to do it. It kind of forces people to climb up the ladder rather than go straight to the top. If anyone wants anymore details just ask and I'll think of the best way we can make this work. Also if anyone has any ideas to add to this or another way to do the entire ranking system go ahead and share. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) EDIT- My only other two alternatives to that plan above is to 1. do just a World Title Ranking instead of an IF Title Ranking. Or 2. Make the Inter-forum title, hardcore title, and the title of honor all equal card level midcard titles and split people up into different divisions based on which one people want to be in. That way any former IF, Hardcore, or Honor Champ can move up to the world title ranking if they want.2nd EDIT- The more I think of it the more I think that the idea on my point 2 in my first edit that I just bolded and made bigger would be the best way to make this work. That way people don't have to win so many titles before they get to the world title especially if they are on a roll. We could still do feuds and stuff by doing non-official rankings matches. For official rankings matches we can make it clear on the card that it is.
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Post by hossfan on Jul 3, 2010 23:12:56 GMT -5
Having a ranking system and a set criteria (being a former world champ or IF champ) for the Heavyweight belt is a good idea.
Having a set criteria (holding a previous belt) to compete for the Interforum title is a good idea. I suggest including the tag belts in there too, since that might encourage people to form teams and compete more actively for the tag team title.
I don't know if dividing the roster up into divisions where they can only compete for the IF, Hardcore, or Honor belt and then have a rankings system for each one would work though. How long would you have to stay in one division before being allowed to move to another? Would there still be tournaments to determine the number one contender for a belt, or would you just follow the rankings and only allow a wrestler to rise up if he beats someone higher up the list? Can a person be forced to wrestle someone else in their division if they think that person will beat him in the vote and take his spot? Can the number six ranked wrestler in a division challenge the number three, or does he have to work his way up? If you lose your title shot do you automatically drop down to the bottom of the division and everybody else moves up one? What happens if the number two ranked person has stopped participating, becomes number one by default, and does nothing to promote his match? Does that wrestler still get a title shot?
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jul 3, 2010 23:52:12 GMT -5
I don't mind a rankings system for each title. It puts more stock in promoing and participation. Say for example someone doesn't send in thier ppv match *cough* maybe they should move down a slot in the rankings. I know we already have penalties for stuff but this could add to it.
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Post by Topher is Human on Jul 4, 2010 3:38:36 GMT -5
I like the idea of rankings for all the lower tiers, however I reckon the World Title shouldn't have a rank system. I much prefer the drama of a story line driven title feud for the main belt than a "Is it my turn?" build up.
I reckon just monitor who's ready to step up to the plate and go from there.
I.E. Jonathan Micahels and Jackson are two guys who definately should be stepping up. However Michaels hasn't won the IF title yet, but he's definately worked his way up the ladder.
And what about Enigma, his first title was the World Title, and who can honestly say he didn't deserve it?
So yeah in short, Rankings for the lower tiers, but not for the World Title.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 4, 2010 5:19:53 GMT -5
I like the idea of rankings for all the lower tiers, however I reckon the World Title shouldn't have a rank system. I much prefer the drama of a story line driven title feud for the main belt than a "Is it my turn?" build up. I reckon just monitor who's ready to step up to the plate and go from there. I.E. Jonathan Micahels and Jackson are two guys who definately should be stepping up. However Michaels hasn't won the IF title yet, but he's definately worked his way up the ladder. And what about Enigma, his first title was the World Title, and who can honestly say he didn't deserve it? So yeah in short, Rankings for the lower tiers, but not for the World Title. Well I don't think it has to be one of those "is it my turn yet?". One of the problems with the world title as we do it now is that other than Drakin there really is no one who can say that someone is ready for the world title. That is one of the disadvantages of not having a two to five man staff that doesn't wrestle like most other e-feds. Doing the ranking for the world title would help keep it fair and show everyone in the upper card where they stand. That's why I think that once someone wins one of the other belts such as IF, Hardcore, Honor, or tag team then they can get a shot. One of the big problems we have had in the past is some people have been here since near the beginning and haven't gotten very many if any shot at the world title. That is why a ranking system for it would fix it good. We could still do stroylines. It's just that some of the storylines will have to be based off the rankings. They'll have to work together and I think our roster is creative enough to do it.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 4, 2010 5:34:29 GMT -5
Having a ranking system and a set criteria (being a former world champ or IF champ) for the Heavyweight belt is a good idea. Having a set criteria (holding a previous belt) to compete for the Interforum title is a good idea. I suggest including the tag belts in there too, since that might encourage people to form teams and compete more actively for the tag team title. I don't know if dividing the roster up into divisions where they can only compete for the IF, Hardcore, or Honor belt and then have a rankings system for each one would work though. How long would you have to stay in one division before being allowed to move to another? Would there still be tournaments to determine the number one contender for a belt, or would you just follow the rankings and only allow a wrestler to rise up if he beats someone higher up the list? Can a person be forced to wrestle someone else in their division if they think that person will beat him in the vote and take his spot? Can the number six ranked wrestler in a division challenge the number three, or does he have to work his way up? If you lose your title shot do you automatically drop down to the bottom of the division and everybody else moves up one? What happens if the number two ranked person has stopped participating, becomes number one by default, and does nothing to promote his match? Does that wrestler still get a title shot? Okay I'll answer your questions by copying them and then replying sine i don't want to do a lot of seperate quotes. How long would you have to stay in one division before being allowed to move to another?I think it is up to the individual. We'd have to do it where if you want to switch you have to start at the bottom of the division your going into. Would there still be tournaments to determine the number one contender for a belt, or would you just follow the rankings and only allow a wrestler to rise up if he beats someone higher up the list?We could still do tournmaments but it would have to comprise of the people in that division. Of course King of Wrestlecrap and BattleBowl won't count and anyone in any division can participate in those. Can a person be forced to wrestle someone else in their division if they think that person will beat him in the vote and take his spot? Yeah. That's kind of why roleplaying and character development is very important. That is where the competitive side of the game comes into play. Can the number six ranked wrestler in a division challenge the number three, or does he have to work his way up? I'm not sure. I actually think that it would work better if you only faced the guy above you to get their spot. If a sixth ranked challenges a 3rd rank and wins then it wouldn't be very fair for the people in the middle. We could still do multi person matches like fatal four ways. If you lose your title shot do you automatically drop down to the bottom of the division and everybody else moves up one?I think it would work best that way. Then after a championship match we can have a No.1 contenders match between the top two or top three or top four ranked so they can earn their title shot. What happens if the number two ranked person has stopped participating, becomes number one by default, and does nothing to promote his match?That's why we will need to do no. 1 contender matches. I'm pretty sure someone not participating is going move down pretty fast. Does that wrestler still get a title shot?No they'll have to earn it in a No.1 contender match. Great questions Fourchon. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Those really helped me explain how it works. If anyone else has an idea differnt from mine for the ranking system please share. We're just brainstorming right now to see what we can come up with. I don't know. Maybe most of the roster is happy with how it is done now. Share your ideas because eventually I think we should put it to a vote which one we go with.
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Post by Square on Jul 4, 2010 7:26:14 GMT -5
...Really I'm not in the IF title picture?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2010 7:37:33 GMT -5
...Really I'm not in the IF title picture? Nothing against either of them, but I'd say you're more deserving to be there than Sparks or Kobain. Not an attack on either of you, just that Square's a veteran, he's already challenged for both the World and IF Titles. Sparks should go to the Championship of Honor rankings, due to current storylines, and I've always seen Kobain as a hardcore division guy, though I could be mistaken.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Jul 4, 2010 8:45:06 GMT -5
I wanna be in the IF title list thingy ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) The whole purpose of my new gimmick is to raise me up the card, JBL style
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Post by smokinvokoun on Jul 4, 2010 8:55:34 GMT -5
I do like the ratings. It helps prepare for upcoming feuds. It's nice to not guess as to which should be the next challenger. Besides, it might also help me get more challengers and more title defenses, instead of once a month.
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Post by hossfan on Jul 4, 2010 9:43:01 GMT -5
Having a ranking system and a set criteria (being a former world champ or IF champ) for the Heavyweight belt is a good idea. Having a set criteria (holding a previous belt) to compete for the Interforum title is a good idea. I suggest including the tag belts in there too, since that might encourage people to form teams and compete more actively for the tag team title. I don't know if dividing the roster up into divisions where they can only compete for the IF, Hardcore, or Honor belt and then have a rankings system for each one would work though. How long would you have to stay in one division before being allowed to move to another? Would there still be tournaments to determine the number one contender for a belt, or would you just follow the rankings and only allow a wrestler to rise up if he beats someone higher up the list? Can a person be forced to wrestle someone else in their division if they think that person will beat him in the vote and take his spot? Can the number six ranked wrestler in a division challenge the number three, or does he have to work his way up? If you lose your title shot do you automatically drop down to the bottom of the division and everybody else moves up one? What happens if the number two ranked person has stopped participating, becomes number one by default, and does nothing to promote his match? Does that wrestler still get a title shot? Okay I'll answer your questions by copying them and then replying sine i don't want to do a lot of seperate quotes. How long would you have to stay in one division before being allowed to move to another?I think it is up to the individual. We'd have to do it where if you want to switch you have to start at the bottom of the division your going into. Would there still be tournaments to determine the number one contender for a belt, or would you just follow the rankings and only allow a wrestler to rise up if he beats someone higher up the list?We could still do tournmaments but it would have to comprise of the people in that division. Of course King of Wrestlecrap and BattleBowl won't count and anyone in any division can participate in those. Can a person be forced to wrestle someone else in their division if they think that person will beat him in the vote and take his spot? Yeah. That's kind of why roleplaying and character development is very important. That is where the competitive side of the game comes into play. Can the number six ranked wrestler in a division challenge the number three, or does he have to work his way up? I'm not sure. I actually think that it would work better if you only faced the guy above you to get their spot. If a sixth ranked challenges a 3rd rank and wins then it wouldn't be very fair for the people in the middle. We could still do multi person matches like fatal four ways. If you lose your title shot do you automatically drop down to the bottom of the division and everybody else moves up one?I think it would work best that way. Then after a championship match we can have a No.1 contenders match between the top two or top three or top four ranked so they can earn their title shot. What happens if the number two ranked person has stopped participating, becomes number one by default, and does nothing to promote his match?That's why we will need to do no. 1 contender matches. I'm pretty sure someone not participating is going move down pretty fast. Does that wrestler still get a title shot?No they'll have to earn it in a No.1 contender match. Great questions Fourchon. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Those really helped me explain how it works. If anyone else has an idea differnt from mine for the ranking system please share. We're just brainstorming right now to see what we can come up with. I don't know. Maybe most of the roster is happy with how it is done now. Share your ideas because eventually I think we should put it to a vote which one we go with. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Your answers cleared a lot of things up. If we can still have tournament style matches done for title shots, and also can have matches between wrestlers who aren't in the same division then I would be fine with an across the board ranking system.
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Post by Jazzman on Jul 4, 2010 10:00:21 GMT -5
I think the question is whether or not we need a formal ranking system. Weren't things easier without a rankings system way back when?
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