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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 4, 2010 11:08:48 GMT -5
I think the question is whether or not we need a formal ranking system. Weren't things easier without a rankings system way back when? Not really. There were a few disputes here and there in the past where people weren't sure why some people were getting title shots and a lot of it was due to being storyline driven. Nothing against the current IF title rankings but honestly I think a more overall ranking system would be much better. I really don't think it would change the fed all that much. Lets keep discussing it so that we can work out any kinks it may have. If anyone has any problems with the overall ranking system idea i had let me know and we'll see where to go from there.
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Post by Viva on Jul 4, 2010 11:51:06 GMT -5
I think the question is whether or not we need a formal ranking system. Weren't things easier without a rankings system way back when? Not really. There were a few disputes here and there in the past where people weren't sure why some people were getting title shots and a lot of it was due to being storyline driven. Nothing against the current IF title rankings but honestly I think a more overall ranking system would be much better. I really don't think it would change the fed all that much. Lets keep discussing it so that we can work out any kinks it may have. If anyone has any problems with the overall ranking system idea i had let me know and we'll see where to go from there. The reason I don't think you should have a ranking system for the World title is because of rematch clauses and other annoyances. It kind of works the way it goes right now, with several chances to win a shot at the title via PPV, and then you have rematch clauses for lost titles and other ways to continue feuds. I mean, I don't know about everyone else, but I look at the world title to kind of carry a story. I don't know if it would be the same on a rankings scale. With that being said though, I'm fine with all of it. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 4, 2010 12:02:07 GMT -5
Not really. There were a few disputes here and there in the past where people weren't sure why some people were getting title shots and a lot of it was due to being storyline driven. Nothing against the current IF title rankings but honestly I think a more overall ranking system would be much better. I really don't think it would change the fed all that much. Lets keep discussing it so that we can work out any kinks it may have. If anyone has any problems with the overall ranking system idea i had let me know and we'll see where to go from there. The reason I don't think you should have a ranking system for the World title is because of rematch clauses and other annoyances. It kind of works the way it goes right now, with several chances to win a shot at the title via PPV, and then you have rematch clauses for lost titles and other ways to continue feuds. I mean, I don't know about everyone else, but I look at the world title to kind of carry a story. I don't know if it would be the same on a rankings scale. With that being said though, I'm fine with all of it. Just thought I'd add my two cents. Well we could still do the rematch clause for the championships. The ranking system wouldn't really affect that. It hasn't the IF title as far as I know. I really don't think that the ranking system would kill any feud storylines. It might actually make a few. It is really up to us to keep the storylines going. I see where you're coming from though but really I don't think the ranking system would drastically change all that much. I think it might actually help because then people will know where their at and not get lost in the shuffle.
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Post by Square on Jul 4, 2010 16:02:50 GMT -5
I don't think the ranking system should be used for every title, it just makes that whole specialness disappear which the IF has atm.
Also there should be a ban on rematch clauses IMO, it just keeps the title picture same old same old and doesn't allow any room for others
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Post by Viva on Jul 4, 2010 17:36:57 GMT -5
I don't think the ranking system should be used for every title, it just makes that whole specialness disappear which the IF has atm. Also there should be a ban on rematch clauses IMO, it just keeps the title picture same old same old and doesn't allow any room for others If you take away rematch clauses, there is no way to build feuds at all. The main event should have feuds. I do agree though that there should be a better way to integrate new main event and upper midcarders into the main event, though.
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Post by Square on Jul 4, 2010 17:59:32 GMT -5
I don't think the ranking system should be used for every title, it just makes that whole specialness disappear which the IF has atm. Also there should be a ban on rematch clauses IMO, it just keeps the title picture same old same old and doesn't allow any room for others If you take away rematch clauses, there is no way to build feuds at all. The main event should have feuds. I do agree though that there should be a better way to integrate new main event and upper midcarders into the main event, though. But is there not a problem when one man has two title seperate title matches due to rematch clauses, no offense to Boiler he deserves what he has been given but it does kinda put 1 person out of a spot. If you are building a feud, can you not be confident that you can win a number 1 contender match.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jul 4, 2010 23:38:25 GMT -5
...Really I'm not in the IF title picture? Nothing against either of them, but I'd say you're more deserving to be there than Sparks or Kobain. Not an attack on either of you, just that Square's a veteran, he's already challenged for both the World and IF Titles. Sparks should go to the Championship of Honor rankings, due to current storylines, and I've always seen Kobain as a hardcore division guy, though I could be mistaken. I'm not a hardcore wrestler at all. I'm a high flier and technical wrestler kinda like Jericho from the WCW days. I do feel veteran status should have some weight but at the same time I've won two rankings matches and have still stayed at the bottom so I don't really care either way. Honestly my push isn't even very important to me. I just enjoy building my character. Worrying too much about my spot would take the fun out of it a little for me. Really I wish there were enough guys to have a Cruiserlight title to where we could go out and put on high flying matches much the way the cruiserweights did in ECW and WCW.
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Post by Viva on Jul 4, 2010 23:46:04 GMT -5
If you take away rematch clauses, there is no way to build feuds at all. The main event should have feuds. I do agree though that there should be a better way to integrate new main event and upper midcarders into the main event, though. But is there not a problem when one man has two title seperate title matches due to rematch clauses, no offense to Boiler he deserves what he has been given but it does kinda put 1 person out of a spot. If you are building a feud, can you not be confident that you can win a number 1 contender match. I actually agree with this. What if we change it to other than a rematch clause, that it's instead an automatic chance at #1 contendership clause. Whether that's a triple threat match or a singles match is decided by Evil M. I think that would A) Spice shit up a little bit, and B) satisfy the people who want change.
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Post by Jackson "The Cool" Carter on Jul 5, 2010 4:23:57 GMT -5
I reckon, if the Rematch Clause is on a NiteRaw, it can be a one on one. (like Viva this week, or Me vs BRB a few months ago) but if it's on PPV, make it a Triple Threat so a new face can also have a shot (like I believe was the case for that Naitch vs Colt vs Cthulhu match a year ago)
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 5, 2010 13:41:31 GMT -5
But is there not a problem when one man has two title seperate title matches due to rematch clauses, no offense to Boiler he deserves what he has been given but it does kinda put 1 person out of a spot. If you are building a feud, can you not be confident that you can win a number 1 contender match. I actually agree with this. What if we change it to other than a rematch clause, that it's instead an automatic chance at #1 contendership clause. Whether that's a triple threat match or a singles match is decided by Evil M. I think that would A) Spice s*** up a little bit, and B) satisfy the people who want change. I'd be for that but I actually think the ranking system would help accomplish that. That way we know who is next in line to even get a shot instead of the person just being picked and having other people feel like they are being past up which we had quite a bit of about a year ago from what I recall.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 5, 2010 13:46:28 GMT -5
Nothing against either of them, but I'd say you're more deserving to be there than Sparks or Kobain. Not an attack on either of you, just that Square's a veteran, he's already challenged for both the World and IF Titles. Sparks should go to the Championship of Honor rankings, due to current storylines, and I've always seen Kobain as a hardcore division guy, though I could be mistaken. I'm not a hardcore wrestler at all. I'm a high flier and technical wrestler kinda like Jericho from the WCW days. I do feel veteran status should have some weight but at the same time I've won two rankings matches and have still stayed at the bottom so I don't really care either way. Honestly my push isn't even very important to me. I just enjoy building my character. Worrying too much about my spot would take the fun out of it a little for me. Really I wish there were enough guys to have a Cruiserlight title to where we could go out and put on high flying matches much the way the cruiserweights did in ECW and WCW. I think you would work really well in the Championship of Honor division. heck knowing your character you could win it and spray paint cruiserweight on it because your character is mad that there is no cruiserweight division. That would be awesome. Back on to the topic at hand I think this is what we are going to do.
Eventually I'm going to post a few suggestions for how we want to do things. I'm gonna wait about a week to post them though so if you have any ideas as to how the ranking system should work(or you could even suggest that you don't want one) then either PM them to me or post them in the thread(which would be better because then people can comment on them).
then once I got all the ideas I'm going to make a list of them all and next Monday we will vote on the one we like and which ever one wins we will go with.
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Post by Square on Jul 5, 2010 13:55:24 GMT -5
Why do it in a week, how about for the next few days everyone, yourself included, just throw ideas out and if enough people agree then it gets trialed for a month to see how it goes
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Post by Viva on Jul 5, 2010 14:16:43 GMT -5
I really don't want ranking systems for every title. No offense to that idea, but that's just too streamlined and takes away some of the fun for me.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jul 5, 2010 14:18:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like the idea of being stuck in one division for an indeterminate amount of time. I'd like to reach the main event one day, y'know. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 5, 2010 15:00:02 GMT -5
Why do it in a week, how about for the next few days everyone, yourself included, just throw ideas out and if enough people agree then it gets trialed for a month to see how it goes yeah that'd be fine. We could most likely wait till after this years Gookermania III actually and then see where we are at. I'm actually leaning toward if we don't have a ranking system for all the titles then I don't really like there being one for just one title like the one we have for the IF title. I do think we need to concentrate on having No. 1 contender matches and giving people a shot like we have been doing really well at for the last six months or at least i think we have unless anyone disagrees.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 5, 2010 15:00:25 GMT -5
BTW what happen to Heatz and whats the status on Niteraw?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 15:04:55 GMT -5
BTW what happen to Heatz and whats the status on Niteraw? Guessing nobody took the other two Heatz matches, delaying the show. I'm finishing me V. Sparks now. Still need to get the tag match written and then I'm just waiting for Viva to get the HIAC match to me. Also, I've been thinking. Do we really have a need for Heatz anymore? I mean, look at this week's card. It's two glorified squashes and a new Superstar debut match. Is it really worth it anymore?
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Post by Square on Jul 5, 2010 15:21:02 GMT -5
Maybe with Heatz we make it more based on the tag division, and have newer talent make teams to help A) get over and B) get them use to WWCF before throwing them into the deep end.
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Post by Viva on Jul 5, 2010 16:03:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think we need heatz. It's both easier and makes more sense to just have bigger niteraw cards. Newer talents can just be curtain jerkers.
Also: I can't write the main event. My Xbox red ringed and I'm going to spend all day today fixing it.
Edit: I realize that's kind of a dick reason to pull out of writing, so let me explain. A few people are over at my house for the sole reason of playing some Xbox, and it just red-ringed this morning. It is a pretty simple fix, but Microsoft is insistant of making it a pain in the ass. Thus the reason that xbox repair > writing a match tonight. Sorry, guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 16:05:18 GMT -5
OK. Anyone feel like writing the rankings tag match? Doesn't need to be very long or anything.
I'll get working on the main event right now.
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