ICBM
King Koopa
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Post by ICBM on Jan 1, 2010 20:37:45 GMT -5
I won't respond to a single post in here. Nothing seems to have changed anyones bitterness or preventative attitudes so why bother. As to the interview, I am not afraid of what he is going to do. It would be so much better for them to have that marketing insight with the grassroots cred they (TNA) earned all by themselves. If he sees something in a wrestler he wants to change than go for it Hulk. I belieive a 30 year veteran is more qualified to decide the fate of Hernandez current gimick and direction than anyone on the internet myself included. Wait and see guys. Wait and see. Also maybe you shouldn't judge just by what you see monday. Change takes time. Short sighted instant gratification wants by fans helped kill WCW just as surley as WWF, Jamie Kellner, Russo and Time Warner did. (April 10 2000 anyone?) If you had actually bothered to read instead of taking the self righteous route, you would have seen that there are a few of us interested in seeing what happens. So if you're not going to read our posts, why should we bother to read yours? Geez. Alright pal firt thing, I did read everyone of the posts that is why I opened mine as I did. Rather than post what i felt at the moment and start a flame war I chose to go another route and explain myself better. As for you if you'd like validation from me so badly here ya go: If you are a wait and see guy as you claim than why did you even bother quoting me? If you truely feel that way than you of all people should know the constant parade of crap that gets tossed around in here by people who want only for them to fail no matter what. they hate Hogan and don't care what he has to offer. If you aren't that guy than why are you even bothering me?
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Post by egyptianblizzard on Jan 1, 2010 20:39:28 GMT -5
Bret > Hogan
I know it. You know it. The guy who works at Target knows it. Even Hogan knows it.
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ICBM
King Koopa
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Post by ICBM on Jan 1, 2010 20:39:42 GMT -5
I have no interset in going back and forth with you. It is stupid and wasteful. post your reply and lets be civilized. i don't want to flame anything in here
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jan 1, 2010 20:42:39 GMT -5
If you had actually bothered to read instead of taking the self righteous route, you would have seen that there are a few of us interested in seeing what happens. So if you're not going to read our posts, why should we bother to read yours? Geez. Alright pal firt thing, I did read everyone of the posts that is why I opened mine as I did. Rather than post what i felt at the moment and start a flame war I chose to go another route and explain myself better. As for you if you'd like validation from me so badly here ya go: If you are a wait and see guy as you claim than why did you even bother quoting me? If you truely feel that way than you of all people should know the constant parade of crap that gets tossed around in here by people who want only for them to fail no matter what. they hate Hogan and don't care what he has to offer. If you aren't that guy than why are you even bothering me? Instead of writing a flame, you just posted acting like you're above everyone. THAT'S what I have a problem with, not your opinion. You came off very condescending. And I will respond to any post I feel is talking down to posters because that's in the job description. I have no problems with your opinion otherwise.
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Celgress
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 1, 2010 20:57:01 GMT -5
Bret > Hogan I know it. You know it. The guy who works at Target knows it. Even Hogan knows it. You know and I know and every smark knows. But do the majority casual fans know? Did they ever know for that matter? ;D
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 1, 2010 20:58:29 GMT -5
Bret > Hogan I know it. You know it. The guy who works at Target knows it. Even Hogan knows it. Hey, when Bret stars in a movie as classic as "Suburban Commando" or "Santa with Muscles" then you can make that statement, BUSTER!
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Post by thatguybayne on Jan 1, 2010 21:01:16 GMT -5
The guy who works at Target knows it Justin Credible knows it? I'm on the wait and see bandwagon. As long as deemphasizing the Knockouts division and getting rid of Daffney and/or Alissa aren't on his agenda I'm good.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2010 21:19:23 GMT -5
The thing for me is that Hogan is thoroughly unpredictable in this situation. We really have nothing to base our assumptions on when imagining what he wants to do with TNA.
We can look at WCW, but Hogan was an active wrestler in WCW, as were most of his buddies...now, what about a situation where those guys, Hogan included, aren't on the active roster? It changes the equation significantly.
I like the notion of really pushing guys as stars (AJ alone should get people to stop and stare at TNA with the things he's capable of), of addressing things like insurance and health care, etc., but, again, with no past work to draw from, how the hell can we guess what Hogan will do?
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 1, 2010 21:32:32 GMT -5
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Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 1, 2010 23:46:28 GMT -5
There's some good and some bad mixed in here. I like what he says about the young talent but some of the lines, in particular about Nash 'not being used the right way', scares the hell out of me.
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Post by Rick Mad on Jan 2, 2010 0:02:46 GMT -5
Maybe Hogan has the mind to make TNA into a bigger business than it is now, the mind to get it more popular.. maybe. I'm not even sold on that. I can see him making AJ Styles a star the same way he made Billy Kidman a star.
But I'm starting to realize that I'm pretty sure the kind of wrestling I want to watch isn't the kind of wrestling that will sell to the masses. Whatever changes Hogan wants to make, maybe they'll be better for TNA but I'm not 100% sure thats going to mean more entertaining from my point of view.
I guess we'll see.
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Post by egyptianblizzard on Jan 2, 2010 0:52:52 GMT -5
The guy who works at Target knows it Justin Credible knows it? I literally LOLed at this. Thanks for that. After I lost my bet on the Rose Bowl, I certainly needed it. I was going to go against Raw for the first time since the start of the NWO, but not anymore. It's going to take a tragedy to pull me away from even a minute of RAW.
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Post by squash on Jan 2, 2010 1:03:48 GMT -5
A lot of this hinges on whether TNA implements Hogan's plan like a real business, with clear lines of communication and authority -- if it's just Hogan barking "ok, AJ, you do this, Joe you do that, and the rest of you do everything else," they may as well forget it -- it's WCW all over again.
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Post by deeks on Jan 2, 2010 1:16:49 GMT -5
It's going to take a tragedy to pull me away from even a minute of RAW. Would another Kelly Kelly vs. Maryse match count as a tragedy?
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Post by toodarkmark on Jan 2, 2010 1:33:44 GMT -5
It's going to take a tragedy to pull me away from even a minute of RAW. Would another Kelly Kelly vs. Maryse match count as a tragedy? As much as WWE usually bores me, I would say Kelly Kelly vs Maryse is the opposte of a tragedy. Oh wait, they'd be wrestling... nah, still the opposite of a tragedy.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 2, 2010 2:19:59 GMT -5
Bret > Hogan I know it. You know it. The guy who works at Target knows it. Even Hogan knows it. do the millions of people who watched when hogan was on top and then changed the channel when bret was on top know it? hogans legacy is creating the two biggest boom periods in wrestling history, brets biggest career moment is getting screwed, he doesnt sound greater than hogan to me It's going to take a tragedy to pull me away from even a minute of RAW. Would another Kelly Kelly vs. Maryse match count as a tragedy? every diva match counts as a tragedy
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jan 2, 2010 2:43:09 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. History would not suggest this is the Hogan we are likely to see, but maybe he has changed.
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BxB
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Post by BxB on Jan 2, 2010 5:54:08 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about the guy, but I can't hate Hulk Hogan. And I'm actually going to give him a chance, instead of thinking he'll bury everyone. That interview wasn't bad at all and makes me feel hopeful for TNA. I'm gonna watch both the shows on Monday, but Raw will be my top priority, being a life long Bret Hart mark.
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Post by mauled on Jan 2, 2010 6:55:18 GMT -5
do the millions of people who watched when hogan was on top and then changed the channel when bret was on top know it? hogans legacy is creating the two biggest boom periods in wrestling history, brets biggest career moment is getting screwed, he doesnt sound greater than hogan to me No Brets biggest career moment is carrying the main event in the biggest PPV ever with a pilled up Bulldog. He also helped expand WWE's global reach which is why they do a lot more tours abroad than back in Hogans day. His other biggest moments would be carrying the company through the steroid scandal (Where Hogan got caught out for lying) and Vince's trial and the Cliques various shennanigans. Introducing the Ladder match concept into the WWF even if it was Dynamites finish not his that HBK used at wm10. And last but not least he helped launch Austin into the main event and become the next big thing. As well as the whole USA V Canada fued which was trully a first. I appreciate that Bret killed your family and ate your pets and laughed at you when you asked for an autograph but common mate let the Bret hatred go As for Hogan being happy for Bret if he likes Bret so much why did he do a burial DVD only a couple of years back
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 2, 2010 11:11:20 GMT -5
I'm not happy about Hogan having power, but I don't see it as blind hate, I'm basing my dislike on everything he's had his hand in since the 80's and overall the picture is not good. He talks about coming in and reshaping everything to fit his vision and I get flashbacks to mid 90's WCW. Things are okay, not spectacular, but okay but management want to get to the next level by introducing a huge star from the larger company. Hogan appears and then so do his friends and the big names and up and comers are made to look terrible and most of the people who could be the future of wrestling flee or are fired. He makes his own company with his friends, XWF but ends up jumping ship to Vince before it gets off the ground. Hogan may well have the best of intentions and I can't blame him for trying to help his friends but I'm terrified of history repeating.
Right now he's saying what people want to hear, things that do make a lot of sense, but going on his track record I'm just not convinced he means any of it. He's an awesome showman, one of the biggest names in wrestling history and all that and I really do hope he's learned and if he has, I'll be delighted, but I'm struggling to be convinced. I guess we'll see in the coming months.
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