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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 25, 2010 12:31:43 GMT -5
If you remember, this will feature hundreds of wrestlers past and present to determine who just is the better wrestler. Now in our first series, Shawn Michaels won the whole thing so he is now retired into the Better Wrestler Hall of Fame. So who will win it this time around? Voting will be open for 24 hours with the winner advancing to the next day. If there is a tie, both will move on to make it a Three Way Dance. Now there will be a mercy rule, if a wrestler wins 10 straight matches, they will be retired and given an automatic berth in to the final tournament at the end. Remember, please leave personal bias at the door. Just because you may not like someone for being a prick backstage, doesn't mean they aren't terrific in the ring. Also, you can judge on your own merits on what makes a better wrestler. You can place a heavier emphasis on technical ability or you can look past their match quality if you prefer charismatic workers who are great on the mic. Feel free to discuss each match and include why you think a wrestler is better than the other. Not only is this to have fun, but have good discussions as well. Have fun and be civil, don't cry because someone you like got eliminated. Better Wrestler: Day 219"The Modern Day Warrior" Kerry Von Erich Major Titles Held: WWF Intercontinental Title NWA World Heavyweight Title vs. Goldberg Major Titles Held: WCW World Heavyweight Title WCW United States Title (2) WCW World Tag Team Titles WWE World Heavyweight Title Previous Results: Day 217: Kerry Von Erich def. Ted DiBiase (6-22) Day 218: Kerry Von Erich def. Finlay (13-11) |
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Post by rhennesey on Aug 25, 2010 12:43:51 GMT -5
Erich
Goldberg couldn't wrestle his way out of a plastic bag.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 25, 2010 13:14:12 GMT -5
Von Erich was the better wrestler...Goldberg was the bigger, more marketable and more charismatic star. I went with Von Erich in the end.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 25, 2010 13:25:54 GMT -5
Goldberg was the bigger, more marketable and more charismatic star. That is HIGHLY debatable. |
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Aug 25, 2010 13:28:24 GMT -5
Finlay put up a hell of a fight. Goldberg here.
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Post by itputsthelotion on Aug 25, 2010 13:30:00 GMT -5
Von Erich
Goldberg would botch a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 25, 2010 13:31:56 GMT -5
Goldberg was the bigger, more marketable and more charismatic star. That is HIGHLY debatable. Then let's have the debate. Remember, I did vote for Kerry because in the end he was the better in-ring performer by far. I always thought Kerry was most exciting when he was in the ring wrestling. I never thought his speaking was that great. I thought it was a little stiff or wooden and his personality didn't really shine through. David was the only Von Erich that was a really good talker in my opinion. Kerry was a megastar in Dallas and the World Class territory. He was like a god there. He had an incredible physique and he was handsome so he was very marketable. Perhaps I will concede Kerry was as marketable as Goldberg, but it is a pretty even match. Goldberg was a much bigger star and WCW in 1997 and 1998 far transcends World Class Championship Wrestling. Goldberg's facial expressions and mannerisms were very good. Goldberg was used very effectively on the mic where he was a man of few words and one of the few things he said was "Who's next?" That's all he needed to say. Unlike Kerry, Goldberg's personality was shining through when he posed and made mannerisms and said his catchphrase. He was booked as a monster who steamrolled through the competition and it caught on in a huge way. In 1997, WCW was the biggest, most successful promotion there ever was at that point and in 1998 they were still doing great business. This was the time frame in which Goldberg was at his biggest popularity. In this way I would say he was a bigger star. He became WCW champion. I know Kerry was NWA Champion, but he did not get it for the same reasons Goldberg got the WCW Championship. Kerry really got that quick reign as a way of honoring the the late David Von Erich and the Von Erich family. I wouldn't mind hearing the debate that Kerry was more charismatic, marketable, or a bigger star though. |
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 25, 2010 13:56:57 GMT -5
That is HIGHLY debatable. Then let's have the debate. Remember, I did vote for Kerry because in the end he was the better in-ring performer by far. I always thought Kerry was most exciting when he was in the ring wrestling. I never thought his speaking was that great. I thought it was a little stiff or wooden and his personality didn't really shine through. David was the only Von Erich that was a really good talker in my opinion. Kerry was a megastar in Dallas and the World Class territory. He was like a god there. He had an incredible physique and he was handsome so he was very marketable. Perhaps I will concede Kerry was as marketable as Goldberg, but it is a pretty even match. Goldberg was a much bigger star and WCW in 1997 and 1998 far transcends World Class Championship Wrestling. Goldberg's facial expressions and mannerisms were very good. Goldberg was used very effectively on the mic where he was a man of few words and one of the few things he said was "Who's next?" That's all he needed to say. Unlike Kerry, Goldberg's personality was shining through when he posed and made mannerisms and said his catchphrase. He was booked as a monster who steamrolled through the competition and it caught on in a huge way. In 1997, WCW was the biggest, most successful promotion there ever was at that point and in 1998 they were still doing great business. This was the time frame in which Goldberg was at his biggest popularity. In this way I would say he was a bigger star. He became WCW champion. I know Kerry was NWA Champion, but he did not get it for the same reasons Goldberg got the WCW Championship. Kerry really got that quick reign as a way of honoring the the late David Von Erich and the Von Erich family. I wouldn't mind hearing the debate that Kerry was more charismatic, marketable, or a bigger star though. Goldberg wasn't good on the mic, just like Kerry. Kerry had the look, the talent, the popularity. The only thing that held him back was his demons and his loyalty to pops. When Kerry went to the WWF he was crazy over. Yeah Goldberg was a bigger draw in the end, but it wasn't because Kerry didn't have the ability to. Like you said, comparing a top draw in WCW's heyday is a lot different than comparing to a huge draw in the territory days. Kerry had all the tools sans the promo ability, but he had enough in the other areas to overcome it. It was just the personal demons, the motorcycle accident, and more personal demons that prevented from him being a bigger star than he was. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 25, 2010 14:12:41 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with what you say about Kerry. I think his father's overall demeanor, having to deal with stardom thrusted upon him at such a young age, and the loss of his brother(s) all led to his personal demons. Then the motorcycle accident just advanced those problems. He was a really strong performer in the ring, no doubt. He was very popular as well.
I don't think there was anything wrong with Goldberg's promos and I wouldn't call him a bad or weak talker. They were exactly what they should have been for his charecter. He just needed to look intense or determined and bark "Who's next?" Overall, I just think Goldberg's presence was bigger. Again, it's all debatable as you said and I feel a little funny taking the "Team Goldberg" position when I voted for Kerry.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Aug 25, 2010 14:14:28 GMT -5
KVE
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 25, 2010 14:35:00 GMT -5
Von Erich
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Aug 25, 2010 14:46:22 GMT -5
Tornado
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Post by Garee on Aug 25, 2010 15:02:18 GMT -5
Tornado
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Post by Junkenstein on Aug 25, 2010 15:19:27 GMT -5
As far as wrestling goes, KVE no question
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Post by Romeo Hotel on Aug 25, 2010 15:56:05 GMT -5
Goldberg!
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Aug 25, 2010 18:02:16 GMT -5
Von Erich.
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Post by butmom on Aug 25, 2010 19:58:48 GMT -5
Von Erich
Goldberg would botch a headlock.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Aug 25, 2010 20:58:21 GMT -5
Von Erich, by far!
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 25, 2010 22:55:23 GMT -5
i have a feeling kerry will advance, but i voted for goldberg to avoid a squash.
perhaps goldberg's biggest problem was (at least in wcw) that he was overpushed beyond comprehenshion.
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Post by gillbergsson on Aug 25, 2010 23:37:50 GMT -5
In terms of wrestling ability Kerry wins
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