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Post by slickster on Mar 29, 2010 2:46:16 GMT -5
I presume they are keeping Ezekiel Jackson off TV until he debuts on SD as an upper-card heel. Why have him lose in a meaningless battle royal to someone half his size? Why even use him at all until his storyline starts?
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Post by slickster on Mar 29, 2010 2:47:26 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how WWE edits this show for DVD, what with Swagger's inability to unhook the briefcase, Rey's entrance trapdoor breaking, and Bret beating Vince down for 488384 minutes.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Mar 29, 2010 2:57:56 GMT -5
A friend of mine who actually watched Mania said that Kofi basically botched his way through MITB this year. Based on his WM25 performance in the same match I find this VERY hard to believe.
Can someone confirm or deny his story?
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 29, 2010 3:04:33 GMT -5
Denied. Kofi did well and his stilt spot with ladder halves was brilliant.
Honestly, MITB was better than it had any right to be with 10 people involved.
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 29, 2010 3:26:52 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on it all
ShowMiz vs Morrison & R-Truth Decent opener, had a fast pace but ending came out of nowhere just as things were starting to pick up. I understand they're trying to put over Big Show's fists as a real weapon but this could have got a few more minutes. Especially when you consider what else hogged time on the card later...
Rating: 1.5 stars - Sudden ending harmed it when it was starting to pick up.
The Legacy Triple Threat Match Match was slow and crowd seemed dead unless Orton was getting some offence in. Just shows what happens when you book guys as nothing more than Lackeys. No one seemed to really care about Dibiase and Rhodes so in those terms the right man won. Match only seemed to pick up a bit once Dibiase and Rhodes decided to fight each other. IMO the Handicap Match they had a few weeks ago on Raw should have been saved for tonight with Legacy going over Orton but in a couldn't take the beating anymore so the ref had to stop the match, fashion. Similar to that of Stone Cold Steve Austin and Bret at WM 13. Just my opinion.
Rating: 2 stars - Orton just bores me too much and Ted/Cody just have not been booked well since Legacy started.
MITB Ladder Match Spot fest. Some nice little moments like Kofi using the broken ladder as stilts but in logical terms was that EVER gonna work? Wrong guy won in Swagger but I predict right now he'll attempt to cash-in on Cena in the next few weeks/months and get beat in less than a minute. C'mon now, Swagger has become a joke figure recently. How can I take him seriously as a legit main event contender with his goofy smile and the fact he jobbed to Santino pre-Royal Rumble? Also the dragged out grabbing of the briefcase made me think someone missed a spot. Just turns out Swagger can't undo the latch. Moron!
Rating: 3 stars - My least favourite MITB of them all. Too many bodies in this one. All it could be was a spot fest. Some nice innovative spots this year, granted, but Jack Douchebag wins and that makes me sad...
Triple H vs Sheamus F*** you Triple H! Sheamus buried, well and truly IMO. He didn't need to win to go over but the fact Triple H did the "Popeye eating his Spinach" ending where he seems to be dead and as Sheamus picks him up he just comes to life and nails a Pedigree right into a pinfall just left me feeling sick. Yes Triple H decided to take a step back from the mainevent at 'mania but as they say THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME.
Rating: 2.5 stars - Rest in Peace Sheamus' career. I really don't think he came out this looking good at all.
CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio Wrong guy won. Think they're would be more payoff from having Mysterio reluctantly become Punk's lackey for a couple of months then have a big match to end the feud with Mysterio winning. Instead Mysterio has won so no point in this feud (which was going very well) continuing.
Rating: 2.5 stars - Needed a bit more time and think there would be a much bigger and better payoff down the road if Punk had won this.
Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon Jerry Lawler said it best on commentary, "this is painful too watch". Yep, it certainly was. I know he was saying it in a "poor Vince" way but I was meaning as in this is awful and really is becoming tedious and painful too watch. I wasn't expecting a 5 star classic but this match should have been 5 minutes... tops. Let Bret slap Vince around, throw him outside, let the Hart Family beat him up then throw him back to Bret. Lock in the Sharpshooter and it's over. The shots with the crowbar and the chair were needlessly long. Also the crowd just seemed dead for the whole thing except a few chair shots. They hardly reacted to Hart when he pulled the double swerve on Vince prior to the match starting. I think the kids in the crowd really didn't care too much about this storyline and sadly majority of the audience are children now. Precious minutes from this match could have been given to the abruptly ended opening 2 matches or Punk and Rey which had a sudden ending.
Rating: 1 star - Being generous just because I'm a Bret Hart fan. Didn't expect match of the year but this went far, far too long.
Chris Jericho vs Edge Thank you WWE for Jericho winning! It won't last much longer than Extreme Rules I reckon but it makes a change than Jericho just being a jobber. Ending was a bit out of nowhere but I wasn't complaining. Match was really good though, enjoyed it thoroughly.
Rating: 3.5 stars - Good match and honestly the first one of the night I could actually say was Wrestlemania worthy. Very happy with the outcome as it surprised me.
The 10 Diva Clusterf*** NEXT...
All I can say is a lot of us were very happy the Divas were left off this card but obviously someone at the top thought it was a good idea to add this total waste of time. Again precious minutes that could have been given to Legacy, the Tag Title match or Punk/Rey.
Also will Vickie Guerrero just go away, please..... pretty please?
Rating: DUD - They can be nice to look at but honestly that's as far as it goes. Waste of time.
John Cena vs Batista Really enjoyed this. How come 2 guys who get so much heat from the IWC as being crap workers seem to have good matches with each other? Their Summerslam 2008 match was awesome and so was this. Was impressed with the Military guard and formation before Cena's entrance and of course the heat it drew. Wow, fans booing the American troops. You know the same troops who are protecting them by fighting in the middle east? Smooth. Loved all the near falls in this match! Yeah, I was marking out at some of the spots to. Was on the edge of my seat and even though I fully expected Cena to win, there was a few moments where I thought "Holy s***, Batista is gonna win!!". I personally loved Cena celebrating right infront of a bunch of Cena Haters at the end. His smile was priceless.
Rating: 4 stars - Maybe I am being a bit generous as I am a Cena mark but this feud has been great and this match just made it better.
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels No words needed. Brilliant. Their match last year was a better wrestling contest but this had more emotion to it and just a better general big match feel. I just hope after an emotional send off, Shawn sticks to his word and doesn't do a Ric Flair on us.
Thank you Shawn.
Rating: 4.5 stars - "THIS IS AWESOME" *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
Overall I thought this was a good Wrestlemania but feel it COULD HAVE BEEN a great Wrestlemania. Was really psyched going into this as the card look stacked from top to bottom but in the end, I personally feel, the top delivered but the bottom was a bit rushed and disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 3:27:14 GMT -5
I presume they are keeping Ezekiel Jackson off TV until he debuts on SD as an upper-card heel. Why have him lose in a meaningless battle royal to someone half his size? Why even use him at all until his storyline starts? He already debuted on SmackDown, crushing Jimmy Wang Yang. They just haven't featured him in about the past month since. Which, while something of a waste, is a refreshing change of pace from how overexposed him and Regal were on ECW. Also, anyone else think Cena's entrance this year was pretty much his worst ever? The Mafia one was better than that.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Mar 29, 2010 3:57:57 GMT -5
Some thoughts after watching it live:
Positives - Kofi on ladder stilts - A little unpredictability (Swagger wins MiTB, Jericho retains) - Vickie's homage to Eddie - Batista's entrance > Cena's entrance - HBK-Taker closing out the show. - HBK-Taker. Enough said.
Negatives - Hart-McMahon dragged on WAYYY more than it should have. Also didn't help that some of the Hart family members looked like they didn't even wanna be there. - Neither Sheamus or Rhodes/DiBiase got the win. I know HHH and Orton are crowd favorites, but throw the new guys a bone. - Stadium crew would not make up their minds on the roof. Open it, close it. Open it a little. Close it. Open it a little again. Open it all the way. Close it. Open it. GAHHHHH!!!
Overall, a great show and worth the price of admission.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 29, 2010 4:07:21 GMT -5
Damn it, this WrestleMania completely sucked ass outside of Jericho winning, Hart Dynasty turning face, and the return of the Orton pose. I just absolutely can't stand:
- John Morrison continuing to be buried. - Jack "No one gives two shits about me" Swagger winning MITB rather than Christian or, can't believe I'm saying this, Drew McIntyre. - Triple H winning for no apparent reason. - Bret Hart and Vince McMahon eating up precious airtime. - Batista losing to SuperCena. - The Undertaker winning at WrestleMania AGAIN. This shit has gotten stale beyond belief.
f***, I really do hate that geriatric piece of shit. Seriously, there's no god damned point to watching Undertaker matches anymore. Just count on him always winning in every single big match situation. Who needs drama and unpredictability when you can just shove some over-the-hill asshole who marks for himself down my throat?
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Post by rk9295 on Mar 29, 2010 4:48:48 GMT -5
Tag Title match - nothing you couldn't see on RAW
Triple threat - nothing you couldn't see on RAW
MITB - OK match, a few good spots, should have been better, wrong guy won, I don't get Swagger, I was pulling for Kane or Shelton for the shock win
HHH/Sheamus - nothing you couldn't see on RAW, Sheamus should have won
Punk/Mysterio - nothing you couldn't see on RAW, Punk should have won and converted mysterio
Bret/Vince - weird match, went on way too long, it seemed fans didnt know what to make of it, awkward, clumsy
Jericho/Edge - didn't watch it, dont care
Divas Tag Match - didn't watch it, dont care
Cena/Batista - didnt watch it, dont care
HBK/'Taker - good match, I dont know if it was better than last years, i have a hard time believing he's gone for good, match of the night
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Post by angryauthor on Mar 29, 2010 5:01:07 GMT -5
If I'd seen another show of that quality, I'd be really happy. But that show felt going into it like it was going to be the best mania since X-7. It failed to meet it's potential, as far as I'm concerned. Bret/Vince went too long, Punk and Sheamus both needed to win tonight, and Jack Swagger wins MITB? Really?
Taker/HBK was everything pro wrestling should be though, and was one of six very good matches that night. All in all, a good show, but not the excellent show I was expecting.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 29, 2010 5:02:29 GMT -5
Can't believe I forgot to bitch about Mysterio winning. Punk winning and forcing Rey into the SES would have given this feud some legs.
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Post by Doley. on Mar 29, 2010 5:27:20 GMT -5
I feel like i could have watched the show 2 hours in and be equally as happy.
looking forward to raw for once.........
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Post by snugglecakes on Mar 29, 2010 5:40:58 GMT -5
I think this WrestleMania suffered from "Deathly Hallows syndrome". A lot of people were so pumped up for it due to the build, it was never going to live up to the hype.
That said, I thought it was enjoyable way to spend of couple of hours, probably my second favourite 'Mania.
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Post by Paul E. Funk on Mar 29, 2010 5:52:19 GMT -5
Very surprised that WWE were brave enough to end the show the way they did, no music, no screaming just HBK saying goodbye. Was cool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 5:52:50 GMT -5
Thoughts on the show:
Tag Titles: What was the point in this? I was expecting 8-10 minutes of solid action, and instead we get that? Disappointing, although I enjoyed it while it lasted. Triple Threat: Wow, the crowd LOVED Orton. Decent match, not sure if it was WrestleMania standard though. Money in the Bank: I commented to a friend after this match "best clusterf*** ever". Because it was a complete clusterf***, but damn it all to hell if it wasn't fun. Swagger was a good choice to win, that's the kind of elevation he needed. I thought a lot of the guys in it were really understated, but I guess that's the problem with a 10 man match. Triple H vs Sheamus: I had low, low expectations going into this one, but it turned out to be a good match. I was hoping Sheamus would go over, but he wasn't buried. CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio: This really suffered from a lack of time, because it was great while it lasted, but ended up being just decent. Would've liked to see Punk win to see how Mysterio in the SES would've played out, but not surprised at all. Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon: This was poor. I wasn't expecting a great match, but I wanted a spectacle, a WrestleMania moment at least. The only positive I can take is that the Hart Dynasty should be getting elevated after this, but somehow I see them screwing that up too. Lasted twice as long as it needed to. Chris Jericho vs Edge: Good match, no surprise. The right man went over. Divas Tag: UGH. This was AWFUL. How many botches can there really be in 4 minutes? Nearly took me out of the show. I feel for Beth, Mickie and Gail. Y'know, the actual wrestlers. Batista vs John Cena: About halfway through this I was ready to call it a disappointment, but they picked it up and this turned into a good match. Cena going over, while disappointing, was obvious, and I LOVED him posing with the "We Hate Cena" crew. BTW, Dave's face after the Batista Bomb kickout? Someone please cap it, that was a Photoshop face if ever I've seen one. The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels: I didn't think last year's match was the classic it was billed as. This one, probably not a classic either, but a damn great match. Worth waiting up til 4am for. I was never on the edge of my seat, but a couple of times I thought Shawn might do it. As a Taker fanboy, I was happy with the result. Others, I can see why they're not. If it turns out to be Shawn's last match, then it was a good way to go out.
Overall: 10 matches, and we got 1 great, 4 good, 2 decent, 2 below average and 1 terrible. Pretty much what we've come to expect from WrestleMania these days. If the Divas match had been cut and the Bret/Vince match halfed, there would have been 15 minutes to give to the Tag Title match and Punk/Mysterio, in which case we've probably have gotten 1 great, 5 good and 4 decent. Still, the spectacle feeling was there for the most part, and I enjoyed the show in all.
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 29, 2010 6:02:07 GMT -5
Dave's face after the Batista Bomb kickout? Someone please cap it, that was a Photoshop face if ever I've seen one. Agree totally. It was Batista at his stupid face pulling best. It'll definitely appear on here sooner rather than later.
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Post by jamofpearls on Mar 29, 2010 6:58:38 GMT -5
I was kind of shocked when the Tag match just kind of ended abruptly.
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Post by Papa shango on Mar 29, 2010 7:30:20 GMT -5
Bret/vince was TERRIBLE. Yeah, I get the whole stroke thing, but the match wasn't even entertaining. I wanted to see it so bad, but halfway through I could not wait for it to be over. This fued was horribly underwhelming. It nose dived after bret was on raw for the first time. Very disappointing.
Jericho/edge. Good match,but the spear on the tables should have happened during the match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 7:52:31 GMT -5
Didn't the chief camera guy botch a lot? As well as that random shot of the wall, they missed Orton's punt and a close up on Vince's face when he realised the Hart family had screwed him...
Other than that, solid show, a few of the undercard matches sucked but the main event was epic, Batista/Cena was a lot better than I expected and Edge/Jericho was very enjoyable after a sluggish start.
MITB wasn't as good as usual but an unpredictable winner made up for that, not a Swagger fan but am intriged to see what he does with it...
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Post by SEND FOR THE MAN!!! on Mar 29, 2010 8:24:50 GMT -5
So, Mysterio's character was supposed to be from Avatar? I guess I'm one of the few people on the planet who thought the movie looked like an overrated CGI fest.
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