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Post by B.B.M on Mar 29, 2010 8:26:06 GMT -5
So, Mysterio's character was supposed to be from Avatar? I guess I'm one of the few people on the planet who thought the movie looked like an overrated CGI fest. The announcers say it's Avatar, we say it's Max Moon.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Mar 29, 2010 8:43:10 GMT -5
Overall, I thought it was a pretty good show. Taker/Michaels was another classic, Cena/Batista was good, Edge/Jericho was good, Punk/Mysterio was good, Money in the Banks was good (glad Swagger, though I couldn't help but laugh that he couldn't get the briefcase unhooked) and HHH/Sheamus was good (though the wrong person won). The triple threat and the tag title matches were both decent, while the 10-Diva Tag Match was my bathroom break. Hart/McMahon was good to see, but the execution was weak (am I the only one that thought the crowbar shots looked really weak?)
Overall, I'd say this was a damned good Mania and miles ahead of last years.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Mar 29, 2010 8:53:23 GMT -5
I tried to read a friggin' RECAP of HBK/Taker, and couldn't get past the first 3 sentences. Yeah...... Raw is going to feel like it's 18 hours long tonight.
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Post by backslide on Mar 29, 2010 8:55:16 GMT -5
agree with most, did like the tag match looked like Showmiz did their homework I liked the finnish just needed to be longer
orton looked odd coming out with the lighting, his pause before the punt was epic, you can see the wheels turing behind his eyes, he will never be a babyface, he has stated in interviews, he hates it for what thats worth, and the return of the pose... I totally maked out that was after I yelled RKO!
I really wanted to see rey pounded into the dirt, but then I always want to see that
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Mar 29, 2010 9:05:45 GMT -5
orton looked odd coming out with the lighting, his pause before the punt was epic, you can see the wheels turing behind his eyes, he will never be a babyface, he has stated in interviews, he hates it for what thats worth, and the return of the pose... I totally maked out that was after I yelled RKO! Except he is a babyface now.
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Post by lookout on Mar 29, 2010 9:24:47 GMT -5
One thing that really bugged me about HBK last night was his lack of selling AFTER the match. Undertaker was stumbling around selling the brutality of the match but after HBK got up, he showed no ill effects whatsoever. This isn't like HBK and to me it took away from the actual match imo. I know that was his moment and everything and maybe he just got caught up in the moment but it's not like him to pull a john cena after a match. One of my top pet peeves with wrestlers is not selling after the match is over. It's one reason why I can't stand john cena since he looks like he's ready to climb mount everest after a supposedly brutal match. So I was dissappointed by that.
The match itself though was great as we knew it would be. It was really hard for them to top their prior match and I don't think they did. But if that first match had not taken place, we would be seeing the type of praise their first one got. They just set the bar so high that people had extremely high expectations..much higher than normal for a match, that it would be nearly impossible to top it.
As for the show in general, I won't bore anyone with match likes/dislikes but i liked it for what it was but as usual it's never worth the price tag. Unless every match is a 4 or 5 start match, it just isn't worth the money they charge for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 9:26:51 GMT -5
The one thing I hated the most was that Batista lost. That means the end of his run as a entertaining heel. I wish I had a "We Hate Cena" shirt . Also, Punk lost, but that was to be expected. I hope that on SmackDown, he gets a retaliatory hit that gets as much heat as "Happy Birthday". I really liked the dark match's description, and I was looking at the photos. Knox looked very good, considering he was one of the last guys in... but the Hornswoggle splash cemented the fact that he's a lowly jobber. I also liked that it took 7 guys to eliminate Khali. Finally, there's Michaels/Taker. It wasn't as good as last year's, but how could you have built upon that? The handshake was a unique touch.
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 29, 2010 9:36:16 GMT -5
So did anyone else spot the referee in gloves during the Legacy triple threat match? Anyone know any kind of explanation behind this? Noticed him half way through the match adjusting his gloves and going by the pics on WWE.com, he wasn't wearing them at the start of the match.
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Post by Reg the Veg on Mar 29, 2010 9:36:49 GMT -5
tag team titles: not a bad match. could've been longer, but for what it was, a nice opener. i hope the feud continues because everyone's offense seemed to gel.
legacy triple threat: ok. a bit boring to start with, but got better as it went on. the ending was good as well. i'd have focused more on ted and cody's falling out, but overall it wasn't that bad in the opinion of someone who doesn't really like two of the three competitors.
money in the bank: probably the second best one they've done so far. kofi's stilt spot was awesome, evan bourne showed himself to be worth pushing, swagger winning was unexpected, but i like swags so i don't mind. overall a fun match which everyone seemed to benefit from.
triple h vs sheamus: quite a good match, i'm really starting to like sheamus, and triple h is always fun. i was hoping sheamus would win since the tone of the feud suggested he needed to or he'd look bad, but if they have triple h acknowledge sheamus' effort, or have the feud continue then i won't mind.
punk vs rey: good match, felt like it was cut short just as it was about to get really good, but given the time they had i enjoyed it. punk and rey are always good together.
bret vs vince: i liked the angle with the harts, but i can't help but feel this went on too long and was a bit repetitive. and after a few teases of the sharpshooter, the crowd didn't react as much when he finally did apply it. the beginning and ending were nice moments, but the middle was just repetition.
jericho vs edge: great match from two great wrestlers, but in hindsight you could tell they were holding out for a rematch later doiwn the line. but given how much fun this match was, when they eventually go all out in the final showdown, it could be incredible. the aftermath was also good.
women's tag match: alright for what it was. the finisher fest was fun, the ladies played to the fans well, and vickie's splash was hilarious. this was never meant to be anything groundbreaking, just a bit of fun and a short burst of alright wrestling. i would've preferred it if vickie had got her comeuppance, but the finish they went with was alright for a laugh.
cena vs batista: brilliant match. the crowd were into it, and both wrestlers were very good at their roles. reminded me alot of hogan/warrior.
HBK vs undertaker: better than last year IMO. i was skeptical due to taker's health, but this is probably one of my favourite matches ever. these two almost killed themselves putting on a hell of a main event, and it paid off completely. i'm gonna miss shawn (that seemed too real a moment to have him come back at summerslam), but what a tremendous way to go out. tremendous main event.
as far as everything else goes, the commentary was quite good, the arena looked breathtaking, the emotion built throughout the night, just generally a well done wrestling event. worth the money and then some.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 29, 2010 10:01:09 GMT -5
So did anyone else spot the referee in gloves during the Legacy triple threat match? Anyone know any kind of explanation behind this? Noticed him half way through the match adjusting his gloves and going by the pics on WWE.com, he wasn't wearing them at the start of the match. DiBiase was bleeding during the match.
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 29, 2010 10:05:27 GMT -5
Cheers SW. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Mar 29, 2010 10:18:04 GMT -5
Great show, probably the best overall mania in a while. Nothing really terrible on the card but due to all the matches om the card possible MOTY candidates like Punk/Rey and Jericho/Edge were not given all the time they needed (but assuming the fact they did not go all out would lead me to believe that both feuds are continuing.
Tag titles match: Good for what it was, but ended abruptly. Nice to see miz and morrison actually make the show, and Truth looked happy to be there.
Triple threat match: Good match. Its been almost 8 years but tonight I finally see what veterans like Bret Hart see in Orton. He had a great Jake Roberts vibe by controlling the entire crowd by just his body language.
MITB: A fun spotfest, but quite possibly one of the unsafest matches I've seen in a while. With ten dudes, and ladders flying around everywhere I was worried for everyone in the first five rows.
HHH/Sheamus: another match I didnt have a lot going in, but ended up impressing me. I also enjoyed HHH playing possum at the end. I didn't care for the TNA lasers at the beginning though.
Punk/Rey: Another entertaining match. It seems like everyyear they give Rey short matches since they know he can do more in that time in just about everyone else. The wrong guy probably one, but I think this could lead Punk to something even more evil to get a rematch.
Edge/Jericho: Great match, it ended way to early but that last few minutes was off the charts. Glad to see Jericho win and for this fued to continue.
Batista/Cena:: 2nd best match of the night. These two benifited from having a shorter match time. I was suprised at how fast and agile the two were moving at the time.
Streak vs. Career: Id need to watch last years enoucter again, but this was just as good, if not better than the original. I loved the more psychological base element of the match and was glad to see this close the show. The post match moment was great as well, and if this really is the end...thank you shawn for all the great memories.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 29, 2010 10:33:08 GMT -5
The Fink just tweeted that HBK and Taker are on the front page of the Arizona Republic. Paul McCartney was relegated to the front of the regional section.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 10:59:29 GMT -5
The Fink just tweeted that HBK and Taker are on the front page of the Arizona Republic. Paul McCartney was relegated to the front of the regional section.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 29, 2010 11:12:41 GMT -5
I thought it was a decent Mania. Better than last year's certainly, & perhaps better than WM24 & 23 too. Overall Opinions are as follows:
Tag Titles
Love ShowMiz's entrance. "I came to Big Show" may be the greatest theme lyrics ever. Far too short a match, just as I thought "this has been pretty good so far" it ended. 5 more mins and it'd have been a great opener.
Triple threat Ehhhh. I still don't get why Orton's the face in this feud, when he treated them & their families like dirt, and they are evil for standing up to him. I find it even more bizarre that the crowd agrees, Orton's face pops are amazing, though I personally prefer him heel. Average. Whole lotta punches & stomps and not much else. Some awesome mannerisms by Orton though. The eternal stalling for the Punt with DiBiase dead on the floor only to go straight into the Obvious RKO of Doom made Ted & Cody look pretty bad. While i'd have liked Cody or Ted to win it wasn't essential, but they couldve at leas not been chumped out like that. Orton's getting massive pops, he didnt need the win for his face run to work.
MITB Scale it back to 6 or 7 next year, please. Shelton & McIntyre barely did anything, Swagger not much more. Speaking of which I see nothing special about Swagger, disappointed he won. Overall a tad disappointing, not many big spots, but Evan's SSP & hiptoss, & Kofi's stilts were pretty cool.
HHH/Sheamus Again there's a bit of this face/heel wrong way round thing. HHH costs Sheamus his title, who is then denied a rematch, & HHH goes on to say about how people who lose to him at WrestleMania amount to nothing. Sheamus attacks HHH to prove a point so he's the villain? Solid match, nothing special but decent. Sheamus came out of it looking more or less the same as he did beforehand, a win would've elevated him & done no real harm to HHH, who could always get the win back. Still, he was by no means buried and looked alright.
Punk/Rey Again not enough time. Punk's promos have been awesome in the buildup and the match was great but again got cut short a few minutes early. And I still cant buy Rey's "fall off the ropes splash" as a finisher from a guy so small- please go back to the legdrop or West Coast Pop, Rey. But a good match with some nice action, just wish it'd had longer.
Vince/Bret Awkward. Hart Dynasty may have a nice boost outta this and it was a cool bit of closure but dragged on too long. Bret's prematch promo was a waste of time, IMO itd have been better to reveal the obvious as soon as Vince went to the outside. Too many chairshots, too many sharpshooter teases, just too much repetitive brawling. Cut 5 or 6 mins from this and give it to the tag match or Punk/Rey and the show wouldve just felt better. Had it been shorter it'd have been a fine little squash, but it just dragged on & on.
Edge/Jericho Great match. Really great. Good psychology, good action, surprising finish (both in that I expected Edge to win, & that normally a finisher after weapon shot gets another 2 count), just a real nice match. Postmatch made Edge look good in defeat, and Jericho finally gets a strong Mania billing. Fun stuff.
Diva Tag This was my bathroom & snacks break, got back in time to see Vickie's frogsplash. From what Ive heard it was a sloppy match, with a nice moment that was ruined by the announcers. Again, this time couldve been given to either the tag titles or Punk/Rey and enhanced the show. I'd just use a video package as a break instead. For as long as the best women wrestlers take a backseat to the so-so to poor ones, I dont care about the division.
Cena/Batista I'm sick of John Cena & the outcome was so obvious before the start. His entrance was underwhelming and the Marien stuff's getting annoying now. I'm sure he's a great guy but that doesn't mean I want to see him on TV. And I still think his STF looks dreadful. Sorry if that makes me a "Cena Hater" or "IWC Smark" or "so 2007" but Im just bored stiff with him and he & the embarrassing comedy/guest hosts/Hornswoggle, is why I nearly never watch Raw. Batista I have also found boring outside of his goofy faces & promos. His heel turn's made me notice him a bit more but not much. Until this match. GREAT display by Batista, really mixed it up in there and made me sit up and take notice in what I expected to be a very boring match. WWE wrestlers I find often work too limited a style- punch, clothesline, kick, 5 or 6 slams, and 5 or 6 restholds, plus finisher, but Batista pulled out a bit more stuff and I liked it. Sick DDT and I'd mark for the rear naked choke as a 2nd finisher. Surprisingly good stuff.
HBK/Taker II
I thought their match last year was good but overrated- match of the year, not of the decade. I think I preferred this match. Last year's was a bit longer and more varied, but this was just a fun, Strong-Style brawl. Sick tombstone on the floor, crazy moonsault by Shawn. Cant work out the knee injury, if it was worked it was great psychology, if it was legit Taker did incredible to keep the match going like he did. And the finish, woah. IMO HBK/Flair is the best match of all time, and the finish is a large part of that. Finishes are often the most important part of the match and this sure delivered. Taker breaking kayfabe, "Stay down!", The slap, the RIDICULOUS tombstone, awesome. And a real sad moment when Shawn walked back down the aisle. I really hope he's not gone for good, he's still one of the best in every department.
Overall a good Mania. Not great, 2 of the better matches on the undercard suffered from a lack of time, while 1 went too long and 1 wasnt needed, but both title matches & HBK/Taker were really good and MITB & HHH/Sheamus were solid if unspectacular.
7.5/10, some of it was better than WM23 & 24, some of it worse, overall about the same but definitely better than last year's, which save MITB, Hardyz, Steamboat & HBK/Taker was poor.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 29, 2010 11:18:43 GMT -5
My review/thoughts:
Tag titles : Good opening bout, but a little bit short for my liking. I'm digging Mizshow as a team, so IMO the right team won. I think Morrison would have been better served for the MITB match
Triple Threat: Orton has absolutely hit his stride. He is SO insainely over it isnt even funny. A little slow to start with, but it really gained steam as the match went on. A win by Dibiase wouldnt have been a bad idea, but I have no issue with Randy going over. I just wonder what's next for him.
MITB: Good match. 10 guys was too many. They need to trim it down or 6 or 7 for next year/next time. Marked like hell for Swagger winning. This could REALLY get him over, and it bodes well for the future of the match that *anyone* can win it.
HHH/Sheamus: A Sheamus win would have been nice, but Im satisfied that he looked very strong in the process. I'm assuming there's a rematch coming at Extreme rules. Would like to see Sheamus go over there.
Punk/Rey: Rey had to go over here. Good match, maybe a little short for my liking. Rey's counter of the GTS was pretty neat.
Edge/Jericho: Pretty good match. Glad Jericho went over, as this feud has the makings of a great one if done right. Looking forward to a rematch at Extreme rules.
Diva's tag: Vickie gets the pinfall? Ugh. I loathe the idea of her wrestling. The decent workers (Beth, Michelle,Fox) in that match desrved better. The placement of its spot in the card was smart though
Batista/Cena: The storyline going in was very very strong. Liked this better than their summerslam encounter (which was also good) Batista has been completely on fire since his heel turn and Cena brought a very solid effort. Excellent match.
Streak vs. Career: The build was terrific. The big question was 'Can this match possibly live up to the hype, combined with last years epic?'
Well, it did. The atmosphere was awesome and both guys brought their 'A' game. The ending was masterfully done (My god that tombstone was SICK.) I honestly hope that was it for Shawn. You cant ask for a better send off than that,
Final thoughts: Excellent show. By no means perfect, but very entertaining. Well worth paying for
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Post by Quote the Tozz, Nevermore. on Mar 29, 2010 11:56:10 GMT -5
This was my first ever Wrestlemania....and I revisited my inner mark for the night. JoMo/R-Truth vs ShowMiz: Nice little warm up match, I wasn't really sure who was going to win. Really enjoyed it though, even if it was on a bit of the short side. Randy vs Ted Jr vs Cody: I was really rooting for Cody here, and I was alone in that view. There were times when I thought Ted was going to win, but I thought Randy was great in this match. Very viper-ish! MiTB: One thing I can say about this match... Wow. I really, really enjoyed it, from start to finish. I had my money on Ziggles, but I thought as the match went on that Matt Hardy was actually going to win it, though that's not to say I was pleasantly surprised when Swagger won. I just hope this is the start of something awesome for the Vanilla Gorilla. Triple H vs Sheamus: I'm a Sheamus and Triple H fan, but I wanted Sheamus to win, I thought it would have been nice for him. I thought he did very well in this match, looking like a proper threat. CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio: Well, I was bitterly disappointed by the outcome of this match, probably my 2nd least favourite match of the night. Punk's promo before was gold, and.. well, Punk's just fantastic. Too bad he didn't win, but Rey did well too, considering his knee (again) Bret Hart vs Vince McMahon: I guess it's what older fans have been waiting for for many many years. Being a younger fan, and understanding what happened back in Montreal, I think it was satisfying seeing the whole Hart family being there, and encouraging Bret. And of course, what was most satisfying was seeing Vince being absolutely destroyed. Wish they'd done the Sharpshooter quicker though. Chris Jericho vs Edge: I loved this match. They were both really great. I kept yelling "SPEAR SPEAR!!" Every time it was teased. I was genuinely surprised when Jericho retained. I had taken it as a given that Edge would win. I was really shocked, in a good way though. (Even though I was marking for Edge more than Jericho : The post match spear gave made me a happy bunny though. 10 Diva tag match: My least favourite match of the night, not only did Beth's team not win, Vickie got the win >< The whole living room exploded with "NOOOOO!" Cena vs Batista: As much as I wanted Batista to retain, I had a feeling that Cena would win. LOL'd hard at the "Norway hates Cena" and the "Batista likes Fishsticks" signs. Gotta admire Cena with the fans in the "We Hate Cena" shirts. That's pretty cool. I just hope to the moon that Batista will go and take his douchebaggery elsewhere HBK vs Undertaker: Marked so hard for this match. I didn't see last year's on PPV, but have seen parts of it elsewhere, and I must say, this year's was fantastic, that backwards flip of the top rope onto the table, slamming Undertaker through it was amazing... and it was beautiful at the end. I didn't want the streak to be broken, but I didn't want Shawn to go. From a younger fan's perspective, these are two guys who have made me want to watch week in, week out, and I love the pair of them. I had a huge lump in my throat at the end, I really thought I was going to burst into tears in front of my friend and her family XD (I did shed a few later.) My heart really goes out to all you older fans who grew up watching them. I think there's only one word that can describe Shawn Michaels and Undertaker. Legendary.
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 29, 2010 11:56:32 GMT -5
Didn't the chief camera guy botch a lot? As well as that random shot of the wall, they missed Orton's punt and a close up on Vince's face when he realised the Hart family had screwed him... Other than that, solid show, a few of the undercard matches sucked but the main event was epic, Batista/Cena was a lot better than I expected and Edge/Jericho was very enjoyable after a sluggish start. MITB wasn't as good as usual but an unpredictable winner made up for that, not a Swagger fan but am intriged to see what he does with it... Thanks for mentioning that, I'd forgotten to mention it myself. The viewing party I watched it with was REALLY losing patience with the camera work and the directing of the show. Started off early with "Why are we seeing the crowd so much?" It got bad during Batista/Cena and we were actually having small chants of "Fire the director!" during Taker/Michaels. Camera work was REALLY bush league last night with a lot of missed spots and odd shots. As someone sitting next to me said, you know there's a problem if you're making TNA look professional.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 29, 2010 12:00:51 GMT -5
So, Mysterio's character was supposed to be from Avatar? I guess I'm one of the few people on the planet who thought the movie looked like an overrated CGI fest. don't worry, i wouldn't go see it either. i saw shutter island instead.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Mar 29, 2010 12:04:12 GMT -5
It isn't really a gripe, but I wish that HBK had used his "Shawndertaker" entrance from last year. It was beyond epic. Their match this year was truly THE main event.
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