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Post by hbk4ever09 on Apr 11, 2010 18:52:36 GMT -5
That is probably one of the main reasons i got hooked on HBK as a child and continued the fanhood as he progressed into the 21st century. I love the drama. From his heel turn, to his desperation super kicks, entrance from the rafters, annual WM builds, and much much more HBK may have been the best drama builder in WWE HISTORY. That is a void that is now quite apparent.
Undertaker can still bring the drama when need be, but beyond that...there is a clear lack of connection between the WWE "universe" and the fans in that medium. Miz has potential in that area, as you can sense he tries to raise the "Epicness" of much of his feuds. Cena lacks any sort of drama talent as he is the most predictable star this side of Hogan as ever seen. That type of drama no longer works. Basically we need another face who the fans can rally behind his comebacks and "overcome odds".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 18:56:24 GMT -5
That is probably one of the main reasons i got hooked on HBK as a child and continued the fanhood as he progressed into the 21st century. I love the drama. From his heel turn, to his desperation super kicks, entrance from the rafters, annual WM builds, and much much more HBK may have been the best drama builder in WWE HISTORY. That is a void that is now quite apparent. Undertaker can still bring the drama when need be, but beyond that...there is a clear lack of connection between the WWE "universe" and the fans in that medium. Miz has potential in that area, as you can sense he tries to raise the "Epicness" of much of his feuds. Cena lacks any sort of drama talent as he is the most predictable star this side of Hogan as ever seen. That type of drama no longer works. Basically we need another face who the fans can rally behind his comebacks and "overcome odds". BUT I THOUGHT CENA WAS THE ONLY WRESTLER THAT CAN OVERCOMEZ THA ODDZ!!!!111  |
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Apr 11, 2010 19:14:34 GMT -5
That is probably one of the main reasons i got hooked on HBK as a child and continued the fanhood as he progressed into the 21st century. I love the drama. From his heel turn, to his desperation super kicks, entrance from the rafters, annual WM builds, and much much more HBK may have been the best drama builder in WWE HISTORY. That is a void that is now quite apparent. Undertaker can still bring the drama when need be, but beyond that...there is a clear lack of connection between the WWE "universe" and the fans in that medium. Miz has potential in that area, as you can sense he tries to raise the "Epicness" of much of his feuds. Cena lacks any sort of drama talent as he is the most predictable star this side of Hogan as ever seen. That type of drama no longer works. Basically we need another face who the fans can rally behind his comebacks and "overcome odds". BUT I THOUGHT CENA WAS THE ONLY WRESTLER THAT CAN OVERCOMEZ THA ODDZ!!!!111 Not really, since you can't really overcome the odds when you ARE the odds. Even though I like the guy, I'll admit it is extremely laughable how WWE presents him as both an underdog and an invincible super hero. You can't have it both ways, you bumblef***s! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 19:16:59 GMT -5
BUT I THOUGHT CENA WAS THE ONLY WRESTLER THAT CAN OVERCOMEZ THA ODDZ!!!!111 Not really, since you can't really overcome the odds when you ARE the odds. Even though I like the guy, I'll admit it is extremely laughable how WWE presents him as both an underdog and an invincible super hero. You can't have it both ways, you bumblef***s! But this is Cena's biggest challenge yet! |
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Post by Arturo Classico on Apr 11, 2010 19:19:04 GMT -5
Right now there is almost no one to cheer for who's actually a face. I mean name someone that actually can have a fun compelling match anymore. The only people I care about now is Punk, MVP, Jericho, and maybe Orton but I don't think any of them will came close to be as important as HBK.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Apr 11, 2010 19:29:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking, the only people with less character than heels in the WWE are faces. At least heels are either chickenshit scared, cocky, or evil/sadistic. No faces other than Orton really have a personality. They're just.....there.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 11, 2010 19:33:56 GMT -5
That is probably one of the main reasons i got hooked on HBK as a child and continued the fanhood as he progressed into the 21st century. I love the drama. From his heel turn, to his desperation super kicks, entrance from the rafters, annual WM builds, and much much more HBK may have been the best drama builder in WWE HISTORY. That is a void that is now quite apparent. Undertaker can still bring the drama when need be, but beyond that...there is a clear lack of connection between the WWE "universe" and the fans in that medium. Miz has potential in that area, as you can sense he tries to raise the "Epicness" of much of his feuds. Cena lacks any sort of drama talent as he is the most predictable star this side of Hogan as ever seen. That type of drama no longer works. Basically we need another face who the fans can rally behind his comebacks and "overcome odds". I think Jeff Hardy was growing into this sort of character by the end of his WWE run... of course, at this point WWE'd be insane to ever trust him with a longterm main event spot again. Morrison's a possibility, though he's got a long way to go. |
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Apr 11, 2010 19:42:20 GMT -5
I really we're ready for another "everyman". Mick Foley, Tommy Dreamer, etc. Someone we can get behind because they are almost like one of us.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Apr 11, 2010 19:57:58 GMT -5
I really we're ready for another "everyman". Mick Foley, Tommy Dreamer, etc. Someone we can get behind because they are almost like one of us. hmm, yeah but who would it be? Of the current roster I think the only possible candidate is a non-Goldust Dustin Rhodes |
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Apr 11, 2010 20:14:55 GMT -5
I seriously thought Daniel Bryan was supposed to be an everyman until I realized he's an overpushed Jewish Napoleon Dynamite
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 11, 2010 20:23:59 GMT -5
That is probably one of the main reasons i got hooked on HBK as a child and continued the fanhood as he progressed into the 21st century. I love the drama. From his heel turn, to his desperation super kicks, entrance from the rafters, annual WM builds, and much much more HBK may have been the best drama builder in WWE HISTORY. That is a void that is now quite apparent. Undertaker can still bring the drama when need be, but beyond that...there is a clear lack of connection between the WWE "universe" and the fans in that medium. Miz has potential in that area, as you can sense he tries to raise the "Epicness" of much of his feuds. Cena lacks any sort of drama talent as he is the most predictable star this side of Hogan as ever seen. That type of drama no longer works. Basically we need another face who the fans can rally behind his comebacks and "overcome odds". I think Jeff Hardy was growing into this sort of character by the end of his WWE run... of course, at this point WWE'd be insane to ever trust him with a longterm main event spot again. Morrison's a possibility, though he's got a long way to go. Kofi seemed like a strong possibility, 'til his push kinda got killed.  |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 11, 2010 20:38:52 GMT -5
I think Jeff Hardy was growing into this sort of character by the end of his WWE run... of course, at this point WWE'd be insane to ever trust him with a longterm main event spot again. Morrison's a possibility, though he's got a long way to go. Kofi seemed like a strong possibility, 'til his push kinda got killed. I was actually tempted to mention Kofi, but I'd say the exact opposite about him. They were clearly trying to build him into Jeff's successor as the plucky underdog babyface who loses a lot but comes ever so close to winning, but the fans never really bought it. Kofi got very strong reactions when the feud against Orton started and he was winning, but after losing two very competitive matches, his heat started dying. The guys we're comparing him to here, like Michaels and Foley, were able to sustain reactions even when the booking was against them (and even current midcarders like R-Truth and Matt Hardy are doing a better job of it than Kofi). Kofi's not ready for any sort of push yet, IMO. Maybe somewhere down the line. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 11, 2010 20:43:51 GMT -5
Kofi seemed like a strong possibility, 'til his push kinda got killed. I was actually tempted to mention Kofi, but I'd say the exact opposite about him. They were clearly trying to build him into Jeff's successor as the plucky underdog babyface who loses a lot but comes ever so close to winning, but the fans never really bought it. Kofi got very strong reactions when the feud against Orton started and he was winning, but after losing two very competitive matches, his heat started dying. The guys we're comparing him to here, like Michaels and Foley, were able to sustain reactions even when the booking was against them (and even current midcarders like R-Truth and Matt Hardy are doing a better job of it than Kofi). Kofi's not ready for any sort of push yet, IMO. Maybe somewhere down the line. Upon further thought, I think I agree with your point more than my own. So, uh...kudos. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 11, 2010 20:50:20 GMT -5
Matt Hardy would actually work decently as an everyman if he didn't have such a big IWC hatedom working against him, and if he wasn't still being punished for Jeff's sins.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 21:39:56 GMT -5
I really we're ready for another "everyman". Mick Foley, Tommy Dreamer, etc. Someone we can get behind because they are almost like one of us. Matt Hardy, Christian come close. Maybe even Cody Rhodes and I'm serious! |
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Post by Jason on Apr 11, 2010 21:55:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying MVP is Shawn Michaels in the ring but I really believe that he can fill the emotional void that HBK and Jeff Hardy have left behind if only they give him a decent push. Think about it, a guy who has had a troubled past finally gets his big break... the story writes itself.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Apr 11, 2010 21:57:53 GMT -5
I think Matt Hardy is the closest the 'E currently has to an everyman sort of character the crowds can rally behind.
Listen to the reactions he gets. His pops are louder than most of the Main Event Faces'.
Hell, Tommy Dreamer was the last everyman character they had, and Matt has already been given Tommy's old "Heart And Soul Of [Show Title]" nickname.
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Post by Lionheart on Apr 11, 2010 22:39:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying MVP is Shawn Michaels in the ring but I really believe that he can fill the emotional void that HBK and Jeff Hardy have left behind if only they give him a decent push. Think about it, a guy who has had a troubled past finally gets his big break... the story writes itself. Slight off-topic side note: I think it's interesting that MVP isn't covering up his tattoos anymore. Hopefully it's a sign that he's making peace with his past. The sleeveless outfit certainly looks a lot better than his old ones, at least now that he's a face. |
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