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Post by lizardking on Feb 14, 2010 17:11:03 GMT -5
Some say they should it should of dies at Starrcade 97 after Sting should of went over Hogan clean. Thats when the nWo should of ceased to exist. But as we know they rammed the nWo into the ground and drug it out for several more years and it was just pure overkill. Anyway I would have liked to seen WCW build up to a WCW vs. nWo final battle. Probably in a 5-on-5 War games match where the losing team dissolved forever. And also what would of happened after the final battle? What happens to the nWo members now that there is no New World Order? Let's hear some of your opionions.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Feb 14, 2010 17:31:10 GMT -5
Should have ended when nWo B team beat nWo A team in a war games match.
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Giant, Savage lose to Norton, Bagwell, Hennig, Konnan, Chono. B Team takes over the older generation of wrestlers and start a new era in WCW.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 14, 2010 17:43:48 GMT -5
3 Team Wargames match nWo Hollywood: Hogan, Hall, Steiner, Bagwell, and Bret Hart nWo Wolfpack: Nash, Sting, Luger, Savage, and Konnan WCW: Goldberg, DDP, Flair, Booker T, and Warrior? Malenko? Benoit?
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 14, 2010 17:54:54 GMT -5
I would have been fine with a properly executed main event at Starrcade '97 ending it.
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Post by vivix on Feb 14, 2010 18:05:26 GMT -5
I think it was fine till they rememrged the two groups.
Starrcade 1998-Nash wins the title. Souled Out 1999-Hogan returns to cost Nash his title to Goldberg in a rematch. Superbrawl 1999- Nash vs. Hogan ends in a brawl featuring both NWO groups, Goldberg defeats The Giant. UNcensored 1999-Hogan/Hall vs. Nash/Savage ends with Hogan/Hall winning after Bagwell helps. Goldberg defeats Sting. Spring Stampede 1999-Flair/DDP defeats Hogan/Giant, Nash defeats Hall, Sting/Luger leave Wolfpac while Stevie Ray and Booker T join Wolfpac Slamboree-Sting/Luger/Flair/Piper vs. Hogan/Steiner/Giant/Hall goes to a draw when the Wolfpac attack, Goldberg defeats DDP Great American Bash 1999- Harlem Heat defeat Sting/Luger, Flair/Piper defeat Steiner/Bagwell, Hogan/Giant defeat Nash/Savage, Goldberg defeats Hart BASH AT THE BEACH 1999-Nash/Savage/Hennig defeat Steiner/Hall/Giant, Bagwell defeats Sting, Goldberg defeats Hogan Road Wild 1999-Savage defeats Hogan, Hall defeats Nash, Giant defeats Hennig, Harlem Heat defeat Bagwell/Steiner, Goldberg defeats Luger FALL BRAWL WAR GAMES 1999-Hogan/Hall/Giant/Bagwell/Steiner defeat Nash/Booker/Stevie/Savage/Hennig in War Games when Nash turns on them thanks to a pay off from Bischoff, DDP defeats Goldberg for the title HAlloween Havoc 1999-Harlem Heat defeat Hall/Nash to retain the tag belts, Hogan defeats Flair, DDP defeats Goldberg in a rematch when Sid premeires, Sting/Luger defeat Bagwell/Steiner, Hennig defeats Savage thanks to the horsemen Mayhem 1999-Luger defeats DDP for the title, Steiner wins the U.S. title from Hennig, Malenko/Benoit defeat Hogan/Savage when Savage walks out on Hogan, Nash/Hall defeat Flair/Hennig thanks to Giant Starrcade 1999-Sting defeats DDP/Luger/Hart in a 4way, Flair/Benoit/Malenko/Hennig defeat Nash/Hall/Giant/Bagwell in loser leaves WCW match when Flair makes Giant tap, Hogan defeats Savage for control of the NWO, Goldberg defeats Sid, Jarret defeats Steiner for the U.S. title
The NWO could stick around with Hogan/Hall/Nash/Syxx/Bagwell as just another stable. The Horsemen are Flair/Benoit/Malenko/Hennig WCW has a great main event scene with Goldberg/Sting/Luger/DDP/Hart/Sid Midcard of Bagwell/Jarrett/Steiner/Guerrero
Savage can come back in a few months with Palumbo/O'Haire/Stasiak/Jindrak and fight with NWO.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 14, 2010 18:34:59 GMT -5
Well, if I'm booking it, there is no Wolfpack, LWO, ect. Sting wins easily against Hogan, and virtually goes through the entire NWO to do it.
Sting then ends up feuding with the NWO for the next 6 months, and beating them all. Meanwhile, Hogan is slowly positioned as a face, and eventually it is Sting/Luger/Macho vs Hogan/Hall/Nash in a cage match for Stings title, Luger's Career,Savage's career and the fate of the NWO. Sting goes over Hogan, and the NWO disbands.
The next night, Nash/hall beat Hogan down, and Hogan is stretchered out.
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Post by Rorschach on Feb 14, 2010 18:37:06 GMT -5
I would have been fine with a properly executed main event at Starrcade '97 ending it. Me too, and the fact that the company had not just ONE shot at doing this (and bungled it) but another chance in Goldberg and yet blew that too...it boggles my mind. I mean, here you have TWO home grown talents who could have believably and convincingly ended the nWo and returned things to normal...and BOTH times the company botches it.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 14, 2010 18:48:51 GMT -5
I would have been fine with a properly executed main event at Starrcade '97 ending it. Me too, and the fact that the company had not just ONE shot at doing this (and bungled it) but another chance in Goldberg and yet blew that too...it boggles my mind. I mean, here you have TWO home grown talents who could have believably and convincingly ended the nWo and returned things to normal...and BOTH times the company botches it. I don't think it is really the company, I think it is th egos of people like Hogan/Nash. They would not allow their 'characters' to look weak, which is absurd.
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Post by Rorschach on Feb 14, 2010 18:57:48 GMT -5
Me too, and the fact that the company had not just ONE shot at doing this (and bungled it) but another chance in Goldberg and yet blew that too...it boggles my mind. I mean, here you have TWO home grown talents who could have believably and convincingly ended the nWo and returned things to normal...and BOTH times the company botches it. I don't think it is really the company, I think it is th egos of people like Hogan/Nash. They would not allow their 'characters' to look weak, which is absurd. Oh I realize that, but in my mind, it still comes down to the company not even ONCE calling the bluff of either man, and allowing two overbloated egos to run the entire company as THEY saw fit.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 14, 2010 19:12:39 GMT -5
I don't think it is really the company, I think it is th egos of people like Hogan/Nash. They would not allow their 'characters' to look weak, which is absurd. Oh I realize that, but in my mind, it still comes down to the company not even ONCE calling the bluff of either man, and allowing two overbloated egos to run the entire company as THEY saw fit. I know. Never befriend a wrestler if you are ever booking, they will work you like no tomarrow. Poor Bischoff never saw it coming.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 14, 2010 19:23:29 GMT -5
the break up was going in the right direction with Savage and Nash both starting to stand up against Hogan and break away. The whole Wolfpac/Hollywood Civil War was going in the right direction IMO, but it shouldn't have involved Sting and Lugar joining.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 14, 2010 19:28:39 GMT -5
the break up was going in the right direction with Savage and Nash both starting to stand up against Hogan and break away. The whole Wolfpac/Hollywood Civil War was going in the right direction IMO, but it shouldn't have involved Sting and Lugar joining. Exactly! Why would Sting/Luger join anything NWO related? And you guys say Russo's storylines don't make sense:)
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Post by Cela on Feb 14, 2010 19:41:05 GMT -5
By Sting or Goldberg
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Post by Error on Feb 14, 2010 20:08:27 GMT -5
Just a quick thing from me: - Sting beats Hogan clean at Starrcade causing bickering and infighting within the nWo.
- Hogan wins the belt at SuperBrawl in a Four Way between him, Sting Hart and, Nash, when he pins Nash causing the nWo to not split but, start to choose sides.
- Brief feud with Sting while Goldberg plows through the rest of the nWo leading to his title match with Hogan.
- Goldberg beats Hogan for the belt at Fall Brawl and Nash declairs/is given the next shot.
- Goldberg beats Nash at Halloween Havoc when Hogan interferes. This cause the nWo to explode and splinter into different factions and teams.
- Nash v. Hogan and Goldberg v. Sting v. Hart at Starrcade.
Not the greatest but, I think gets the job done.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Feb 14, 2010 20:33:41 GMT -5
It should have been in a Wargame match when the NWO finally ended.
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Post by El Dandy on Feb 14, 2010 22:00:41 GMT -5
What SHOULD have occurred at Starrcade '97 is to have Bret Hart be the referee for the main event from the very start. That is how Bret should have been involved, not as a ref for the hokey Bischoff vs. Zbyszko match.
What I would have done leading to a dismantling of the nWo:
- Sting cleanly defeats Hogan at Starrcade.
- Hogan will feel slighted and "screwed" so he calls out Bret Hart and starts a feud with him.
- Sting goes on to tear the nWo apart limb from limb, slowly taking out members of the nWo out of commission.
- To make Sting appear even more intimidating, nWo members would voluntarily disassociate themselves from the nWo in order to save themselves from the same punishment their colleagues have faced.
- The nWo would be whittled down to the founding members and Eric Bischoff.
- For weeks, I would build up tension within the founding nWo members, as Hogan and Bischoff will be accused by Hall and Nash for being selfish for running away from Sting rather than fighting with them side-by-side.
- The last program for the nWo to be together would be War Games '98 where the WCW with Sting, Bret Hart, Ric Flair and Luger would face the nWo with Hogan, Hall, Nash and yes, Eric Bischoff.
- WCW would defeat the nWo by forcing Eric Bischoff to scream the words: "I quit, the nWo is no more."
- The nWo folds, but Hogan will still keep his "Hollywood" persona, managed by Eric Bischoff. Bischoff and Hogan can still remain as the top heels of the company on their own without the need of the nWo. Their prime objective is simple: GREED.
- Hall and Nash will become singles stars and could remain as a tag team. They were popular with the crowd (which is why the Wolfpack broke off and formed as a face group), so I would turn them into faces and set them up in singles feuds with Hogan, Scott Steiner, The Giant, Ric Flair, etc.
- Build up a huge program hyping up the first ever meeting between Bret Hart and Sting for the WCW World Heavyweight Title. The feud will culminate at Starrcade '98.
WCW could have still remained on top with so many stars that could have been involved in the main event or upper mid-card.
Hollywood Hogan Sting Bret Hart Kevin Nash Goldberg Scott Hall Macho Man Randy Savage The Giant Diamond Dallas Page Scott Steiner Ric Flair Chris Benoit Lex Luger Sid Vicious Raven etcetera.
They could have done so much with such a talented and star-studded roster. It saddens me to look back and see what became of WCW and those stars listed above...
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Feb 14, 2010 22:29:43 GMT -5
Sting beats Hogan. nWo loses faith in Hogan, but doesn't kick him out. In fighting causes Nash to take over the group. Nash beats Sting for the belt somewhere in the summer and kicks Hogan out. Hogan beats Nash for the title as a face, and then disbands the nWo.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Feb 14, 2010 23:02:50 GMT -5
After Sting beats Hogan cleanly at Starrcade 97, I would have the nWo slowly fall apart and individual members would feud with other WCW stars and gain their own personalities in the process. Meanwhile, there would be dissention within the group and like others said, would end at War Games.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 15, 2010 11:32:47 GMT -5
Pretending that Starrcade '97 ended in the botched manner that it did:
I've said this before, but I would've loved to see an angle where Hogan grows increasingly protective of the title, reaching points of all-out paranoia that's only escalated when Kevin Nash and others, reading the writing on the wall, splinter off from the original nWo.
In the meantime, Hogan's chief lieutenant is Bret Hart (like he was for most of 1998). Hart never dons the black and white, but he still does a lot of dirty work for Hogan, acting as his, well, Hitman.
Hogan eventually drops the title to Goldberg (on pay per view, damnit), which sets the stage for Bret to initiate a coup he's been planning in secret all along. Bret overthrows Hogan, Savage and Hennig, who had joined the Wolfpac, turn on Nash and show they've been working with Hart all along, and the nWo is whittled down to an elite force with Bret as it's ruthless leader who's gunning for Goldberg and his title.
In the meantime, Hogan disappears for awhile, but slowly begins to resurface as a babyface. Hogan, the man who's presence gave legitimacy to the nWo, joins with WCW babyfaces and Kevin Nash's Wolfpac now to engineer it's downfall.
I don't know of the best method for that to happen, but it would've allowed Hogan's character to come full circle, Hart to have a solidified main event spot (not to mention a stable including Randy Savage, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, etc.), blah blah blah.
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Post by WWHHHD on Feb 15, 2010 18:56:58 GMT -5
It should have been in a Wargame match when the NWO finally ended. vs the Hoarsemen... Or a super team of WCW which would include... Flair, Sting, Lex, and Steiners (With Scott never turning heel)
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