How should the nWo been killed?

[neil]

Every single member would come out be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. That my friends is how you book an angle.

[reiko22]

Feb 14, 2010 18:57:48 GMT -5 Rorschach said:

Feb 14, 2010 18:48:51 GMT -5 jobsquad said:

I don't think it is really the company, I think it is th egos of people like Hogan/Nash. They would not allow their 'characters' to look weak, which is absurd.

Oh I realize that, but in my mind, it still comes down to the company not even ONCE calling the bluff of either man, and allowing two overbloated egos to run the entire company as THEY saw fit.

exactly! you are so right

[Macho Dude Handy Damage]

I think killing off the NWO completely after Starrcade 97 would be a dumb move. The NWO was still packing in the ratings and the WCW vs. NWO feud was still fun and exciting.

After Goldberg came along and utterly destroyed everything in his way, I think he and Sting should have formed some kind of alliance with Flair, DDP and a possible 5th guy (like Booker T, Benoit or Bret Hart if Hart wasn't a full fledged NWO member by then)
Then sort of started the WCW vs. NWO feud from scratch (or basically, take the plunge into the last step of the feud) and build towards a new climax, like a War Games match or a tournament at Starrcade 98 or something.

Have WCW win that match, NWO all blaming each other for their loss, the NWO seriously begin to crumble, eventually breaking up with the core of the group feuding with each other, such as Hall vs. Hogan, Nash vs. Macho Man, etc. With of course the feud being less and less about NWO and their big match loss and more and more a simple grudge match between them. Thus making the NWO less and less relevant and WCW going back to being what it was before the whole NWO thing started.

Of course, you'd need all of the NWO guys going along with a story like that and some good writing.

[lizardking]

Feb 16, 2010 13:27:45 GMT -5 Macho Dude Handy Damage said:

I think killing off the NWO completely after Starrcade 97 would be a dumb move. The NWO was still packing in the ratings and the WCW vs. NWO feud was still fun and exciting.

After Goldberg came along and utterly destroyed everything in his way, I think he and Sting should have formed some kind of alliance with Flair, DDP and a possible 5th guy (like Booker T, Benoit or Bret Hart if Hart wasn't a full fledged NWO member by then)
Then sort of started the WCW vs. NWO feud from scratch (or basically, take the plunge into the last step of the feud) and build towards a new climax, like a War Games match or a tournament at Starrcade 98 or something.

Have WCW win that match, NWO all blaming each other for their loss, the NWO seriously begin to crumble, eventually breaking up with the core of the group feuding with each other, such as Hall vs. Hogan, Nash vs. Macho Man, etc. With of course the feud being less and less about NWO and their big match loss and more and more a simple grudge match between them. Thus making the NWO less and less relevant and WCW going back to being what it was before the whole NWO thing started.

Of course, you'd need all of the NWO guys going along with a story like that and some good writing.

Yeah I like this idea. I wouldn't drag it in much later after Starrcade '97, I might end it at Fall Brawl or Starrcade at the latest.

[johnnyk9]

Vince should've killed it in WWE

[Triple Kelly]

Lock them out of the Country Kitchen Buffet.

By noon, it'll be all over.

[Evilution E5150]

i was gonna say fire

[Macho Dude Handy Damage]

Feb 17, 2010 3:09:28 GMT -5 Triple Kelly said:

Lock them out of the Country Kitchen Buffet.

By noon, it'll be all over.

Did... did you just make a South park reference to say the NWO was old?

[hitokiri]

A CLEAN win by Sting, at Starrcade 1997 should have been the beginning of the end. Sting and Bret Hart should have been pushed as the 'generals' in WCW's war against the nWo, slowly dissecting the group. Then, Goldberg's victory over Hogan (at Bash at the Beach 1998, not on Nitro) would have been a great catalyst for the Outsiders to turn on Hogan, who then disappears for a while. Hall and Nash remain together, obviously, but now just as a team and not part of some all-encompassing angle that dominates the program.

So, in the aftermath of the nWo, you'd have a reinvented Sting, a properly-booked Bret Hart, the rising star Goldberg and the Outsiders still keeping their heat as well. This way, the company had several building blocks in place for the post-nWo landscape. The discussion for how they should have then elevated the top midcarders, like Benoit, Raven and Jericho, waits for another thread and another time.

[Slingshot Suplay]

In the study, with the candlestick holder.

[segaz]

Looking back....I must say, the fall of WCW is one of the saddest stories in wrestling. Even on their last broadcast, they STILL had more talent than TNA does now.


If only Bischoff had been able to buy WCW....




Oh and I agree, everyone else always seems to say "Keep NWO with only Hogan Hall and Nash. Sting beats them at Starcade 97, and thats the END of the NWO. Never see them again."

Sure Sting should have won clean, but REALISTICALY, the NWO was too big and powerful to just disapear and stop functioning. It must have a downfall. Maybe like others say, there is a struggle for power.





BTW....the corporate/ministry also ended pretty lackluster as well. TBH....I would have kept them seperate.

[rk9295]

I'm not completely familiar with WCW/nWo history but I'll say...the night Goldberg beats Hogan for the title should have been the end of the nWo.

[-Lithium-]

Sting beats Hogan clean at Survivor Series. The nWo makes another attempt at assuming control, but people like Sting, Hart, Goldberg, DDP, and Flair all band together to take out the nWo for good...

[eDemento2099]

Maybe the LWO could have trumped the nWo. At least we'd be guaranteed great wrestling that way, what with all the cruiserweights comprising the LWO!

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Hi, this is my first post here so be kind lol

I'd have had the nWo's downfall start at the 'fingerpoke of doom', which for me is a great point, the nWo looks completely dominant, annoyingly so, and are so full of hubris they're just playing around with the title.
Have that night happen, then the next Nitro, open with the red and white elite walking into the building, and finding the b-team in their locker room just decimated, laying on the floor bleeding, furniture smashed, and spraypainted on the wall in giant letters 'WHO'S NEXT?' It also writes out the Giant since that was his last week with WCW.
Goldberg comes out at the end of the program and cuts a promo(yeah, it could possibly collapse at this point lol) saying he has had enough, and he's going to tear the nWo apart piece by piece starting with Lex Luger and Elizabeth(since they were the ones that set him up first).
Building up to the next PPV, the nWo try a gang attack on him but he fends them off with the help of DDP, Booker, Bret, Konnan and Rey leading to individual feuds there, till the PPV where Luger is demolished in 2 minutes and stretchered out. However the nWo win all the other matches, taking out Rey.
This continues for a couple of months, Goldberg stalking the nWo, taking them out one by one, but the nWo still looking strong against other competition till it's down to Hogan and Goldberg.
At this point the B-team comes back from injury, and Hogan is on his knees begging them to help him beat Goldberg, but they don't want anything to do with him, the nWo is gone.
We get, at Bash at the Beach 1999 the end of the nWo as Goldberg beats Hogan again, takes the title, WCW come out, celebrate with him and all is good.

[Schattenjager]

Feb 14, 2010 18:57:48 GMT -5 Rorschach said:

Feb 14, 2010 18:48:51 GMT -5 jobsquad said:

I don't think it is really the company, I think it is th egos of people like Hogan/Nash. They would not allow their 'characters' to look weak, which is absurd.

Oh I realize that, but in my mind, it still comes down to the company not even ONCE calling the bluff of either man, and allowing two overbloated egos to run the entire company as THEY saw fit.

You fail to realize that Nash and Hogan had creative control over their TV characters. There's really no way around that, it was a clause on their contracts. Unfortunately.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Just about those contracts, if they were due to end soon, they could have booked around them, it's not like there's not precident for that *cough*Bret*cough*. Or they could have done something very risky, give non nWo guys the same clause, or a variation, Goldberg and Sting for example, then Hogan and Nash in theory would HAVE to work out a compromise.

[mrjl]

Sting should have won at Starrcade 97.

The nWo splits as it did. Hogan wins the title back using the nWo's near forgotten "we can challenge for any belt anytime" rule, but this screws Scott Hall which is a big reason for the split. Sting and Luger stay with WCW but DDP joins the Wolfpac.

Both factions of the nWo begin challenging for the titles at random times. The TV title and Tag belts change hand several times. The US title does a couple of times. But the World Title never does. Especially after Goldberg wins it.

Eventually both factions of the nWo lose that right in a War Games match.

The end of the year would see the dissolution of most of the group.

[Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster]

Starrcade 1998 would of been the perfect opportunity to do it as by then the NWO was beyond stale and on its last legs.

[h]

Before guys like Scott Norton joined and took away the group's credibility.