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Post by bradtherad on May 22, 2010 12:57:53 GMT -5
Last week he came in and broke all of Swagger's childhood memories for a laugh.
This week he came out and cost Swagger a match for no reason.
Show is acting like a dick and he's the FACE?
Swagger got my sympathy last night, I think WWE is doing this wrong, cause I was pissed at Show. I know this aint the first time a wrestler get a wrong reaction (Cena) but how do they really justify this being a good guy action even on paper? I mean, Swagger hasnt even done anything to show yet and Show just does this to be a dick. I mean, if Swagger attacked Show before, it would make sense...but right now, its making Swagger look like the face we should be cheering for.
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Post by mrjl on May 22, 2010 13:01:34 GMT -5
Last week he came in and broke all of Swagger's childhood memories for a laugh.
This week he came out and cost Swagger a match for no reason.
Show is acting like a dick and he's the FACE?
Swagger got my sympathy last night, I think WWE is doing this wrong, cause I was pissed at Show. I know this aint the first time a wrestler get a wrong reaction (Cena) but how do they really justify this being a good guy action even on paper? I mean, Swagger hasnt even done anything to show yet and Show just does this to be a dick. I mean, if Swagger attacked Show before, it would make sense...but right now, its making Swagger look like the face we should be cheering for. Show is stepping in for the audience. The audience presumably doesn't want their time wasted with Swagger's self-aggrandizement so Show is ending that and also teaching Swagger a lesson. If you didn't bring this stuff nobody but you cared about out here, then I wouldn't have been able to touch it.
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Post by Bam Neeley on May 22, 2010 13:02:04 GMT -5
Remember kids. It's not evil if you do it to an evil person
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Post by bradtherad on May 22, 2010 13:03:05 GMT -5
Remember kids. It's not evil if you do it to an evil person Ur named reminded me that I miss Bam Neely, the human fence. I mean that was seriously the greatest nickname a wrestler got in years. The human fence. Awesome.
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Post by thuschongswing on May 22, 2010 13:05:57 GMT -5
I'm usually the first to decry when someone says "why is so and so face?", but in this situation, I agree. The only thing heelish Swagger has really done so far is bore people to death (the right way, mind you) about his accomplishments. Meanwhile, Big Show has cost Swagger a match against Kofi, AND has destroyed most of his said accomplishments.
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Post by cobrafan on May 22, 2010 13:16:29 GMT -5
Swagger is playing the self-absorbed, arrogant heel who's in love with himself and bores people to death talking about all his accomplishments and how great he is. Big Show is playing a role that's no different than we've seen from guys like Cena in the past in that he destroys the heel's property.
Remember the JBL feuds? Cena destroyed his limo twice if I remember correctly (once in 2005) and again w/Cryme Tyme a while back. Basically, it's the exact same thing.
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Post by mrjl on May 22, 2010 13:48:24 GMT -5
Swagger is playing the self-absorbed, arrogant heel who's in love with himself and bores people to death talking about all his accomplishments and how great he is. Big Show is playing a role that's no different than we've seen from guys like Cena in the past in that he destroys the heel's property. Remember the JBL feuds? Cena destroyed his limo twice if I remember correctly (once in 2005) and again w/Cryme Tyme a while back. Basically, it's the exact same thing. Austin did things like this didn't? Except he just came in and attacked or humilated the person.
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Post by Matt Dunn on May 22, 2010 13:53:16 GMT -5
This happened before with me. I remember feeling sorry for Mickie at one point in her stalker angle with Trish. I thought Trish was being a total bitch.
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Post by Greer on May 22, 2010 14:13:39 GMT -5
Most popular face in the company...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 15:03:21 GMT -5
He's acting like the most entertaining face in the company to me
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 22, 2010 15:15:29 GMT -5
Swagger is playing the self-absorbed, arrogant heel who's in love with himself and bores people to death talking about all his accomplishments and how great he is. Big Show is playing a role that's no different than we've seen from guys like Cena in the past in that he destroys the heel's property. Remember the JBL feuds? Cena destroyed his limo twice if I remember correctly (once in 2005) and again w/Cryme Tyme a while back. Basically, it's the exact same thing. Austin did things like this didn't? Except he just came in and attacked or humilated the person. You don't remember Property Damage Steve Austin? He'd always find a way to destroy someone's car during their fued.
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Post by tarheelfan on May 22, 2010 15:15:41 GMT -5
I'm usually the first to decry when someone says "why is so and so face?", but in this situation, I agree. The only thing heelish Swagger has really done so far is bore people to death (the right way, mind you) about his accomplishments. Meanwhile, Big Show has cost Swagger a match against Kofi, AND has destroyed most of his said accomplishments. What bothered me the most is that once again the world championship belt was cheapened even if it was the result of furthering a storyline which is already a weak one anyway. For starters the world champion cannot even pin a basic mid card wrestler in Kofi in a reasonable time and finally as the match drew on and it looked like Swagger was about to get the pin then as typical to script Show interrupts and Kofi wins by element of surprise. They just might as well put the title on someone else if they are going to book a world champion to look so weak and susceptible.
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Post by DrewVonAwesome on May 22, 2010 15:37:25 GMT -5
The thing about this set up for a match is that it can work, but for it to work the heel doing all the bragging and talking needs to be not as charismatic or likable as Swagger. Just so boring and uninteresting that the audience is going to be BEGGING for someone to shut him up. Unfortunately Swagger really made himself come across as an interesting guy during the segment who was really proud of everything he did. I remember when Show was destroying his things there were people in the audience who looked horrified and wanting Show to stop.
It's not a bad idea for a feud, but I don't think Swagger should be the one doing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 15:40:56 GMT -5
Is Swagger a face in India or something?
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Post by tarheelfan on May 22, 2010 15:43:37 GMT -5
The thing about this set up for a match is that it can work, but for it to work the heel doing all the bragging and talking needs to be not as charismatic or likable as Swagger. Just so boring and uninteresting that the audience is going to be BEGGING for someone to shut him up. Unfortunately Swagger really made himself come across as an interesting guy during the segment who was really proud of everything he did. I remember when Show was destroying his things there were people in the audience who looked horrified and wanting Show to stop. It's not a bad idea for a feud, but I don't think Swagger should be the one doing it. Even though it is scripted of course I have to agree that it was annoying when the Big Show was destroying all of the memorabilia. Even though Show is playing a face it did seem to go over the line when he destroyed all the memorabilia.
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Post by delurked on May 22, 2010 15:55:17 GMT -5
Last week Swagger came out with a bunch of trophies, bragged about accomplishments that were dubious at best, rubbed the audience's faces in it, insulted their children, and called Big Show's fingers fat. He deserved to get his little phony baloney awards trashed.
And Swagger is supposed to look weak, considering the guy is an undeserving champion, who only won the title because he cashed in MITB on a opponent who had been beaten up just moments earlier.
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Post by mrjl on May 22, 2010 16:45:47 GMT -5
Austin did things like this didn't? Except he just came in and attacked or humilated the person. You don't remember Property Damage Steve Austin? He'd always find a way to destroy someone's car during their fued. come to think of it, you're right. He poored concrete into one, and at least one blew up, right?
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Post by mrjl on May 22, 2010 16:47:41 GMT -5
I'm usually the first to decry when someone says "why is so and so face?", but in this situation, I agree. The only thing heelish Swagger has really done so far is bore people to death (the right way, mind you) about his accomplishments. Meanwhile, Big Show has cost Swagger a match against Kofi, AND has destroyed most of his said accomplishments. What bothered me the most is that once again the world championship belt was cheapened even if it was the result of furthering a storyline which is already a weak one anyway. For starters the world champion cannot even pin a basic mid card wrestler in Kofi in a reasonable time and finally as the match drew on and it looked like Swagger was about to get the pin then as typical to script Show interrupts and Kofi wins by element of surprise. They just might as well put the title on someone else if they are going to book a world champion to look so weak and susceptible. Kofi is not a basic mid card wrestler. THis is the guy who pinned two former world champs in about ten seconds less six months ago.
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Post by Das Einhorn on May 22, 2010 17:11:58 GMT -5
What bothered me the most is that once again the world championship belt was cheapened even if it was the result of furthering a storyline which is already a weak one anyway. For starters the world champion cannot even pin a basic mid card wrestler in Kofi in a reasonable time and finally as the match drew on and it looked like Swagger was about to get the pin then as typical to script Show interrupts and Kofi wins by element of surprise. They just might as well put the title on someone else if they are going to book a world champion to look so weak and susceptible. Kofi is not a basic mid card wrestler. THis is the guy who pinned two former world champs in about ten seconds less six months ago. Agreed. If anything, Kofi is high-midcard on the cusp of a title shot after the Show/Swagger feud. Christian will most likely be going for the IC, so there are really few others who will be viable challengers in the near future.
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Post by tarheelfan on May 22, 2010 17:12:02 GMT -5
What bothered me the most is that once again the world championship belt was cheapened even if it was the result of furthering a storyline which is already a weak one anyway. For starters the world champion cannot even pin a basic mid card wrestler in Kofi in a reasonable time and finally as the match drew on and it looked like Swagger was about to get the pin then as typical to script Show interrupts and Kofi wins by element of surprise. They just might as well put the title on someone else if they are going to book a world champion to look so weak and susceptible. Kofi is not a basic mid card wrestler. THis is the guy who pinned two former world champs in about ten seconds less six months ago. Sorry, but he is a mid card talent. 15-20 years ago and he would be lower mid card talent. He is a glorified spot artist who would have stood no shot against the likes of Austin, the Rock, Brett Hart or event the Sid Justices or Hogans of the WWE. I am not trying to sound markish but it is an indictment at how subpar the main event picture is today.
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