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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 12, 2010 14:32:17 GMT -5
As of late, I've been coming across more and more film reviews where the action, dialogue or plotline might be chided as not being believable (outside of movies with fantasy-type themes).
Maybe I'm a lot more forgiving than most, but stuff like that tends not to bother me. An example would be Forrest Gump- not a believable scene in that entire movie, but I still enjoyed it due to its characters and its general idea.
I get the hate for badly-done CGI, but I'm more tolerant when it comes to something intentionally unrealistic the filmmakers wanted to make.
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Post by Ian Austin on Sept 12, 2010 14:33:33 GMT -5
I think mostly, people can accept fantastical elements so long as they're done well. It's when you get a nuked fridge, a jumped shark, or a jetpack of ass, that people tune out.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 12, 2010 14:40:56 GMT -5
I think mostly, people can accept fantastical elements so long as they're done well. It's when you get a nuked fridge, a jumped shark, or a jetpack of ass, that people tune out. The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 12, 2010 14:42:45 GMT -5
I think mostly, people can accept fantastical elements so long as they're done well. It's when you get a nuked fridge, a jumped shark, or a jetpack of ass, that people tune out. The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. They're willing to accept a sacred treasure box that melts people's faces off, and a man outrunning a big-ass boulder, but not hiding in the fridge from a nuke?  |
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Post by erisi236 on Sept 12, 2010 14:49:24 GMT -5
Context is everything.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Sept 12, 2010 14:52:06 GMT -5
I think mostly, people can accept fantastical elements so long as they're done well. It's when you get a nuked fridge, a jumped shark, or a jetpack of ass, that people tune out. The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. A bomb detonates, evaporating an entire town in about ten seconds, leaving nothing behind except nuclear hatred... EXCEPT! A refridgerator that holds up just fine. And not only that, launches into the air at terminal velocity and lands fifteen miles away. Meanwhile, the sixty year old man who was hiding inside of it doesn't suffer any injuries except some minor scratches and boo boos and is able to walk away under his own power. And all because the fridge was lined with lead. Get it now? |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 12, 2010 14:52:55 GMT -5
The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. They're willing to accept a sacred treasure box that melts people's faces off, and a man outrunning a big-ass boulder, but not hiding in the fridge from a nuke? One is magic... the other is just a fridge. |
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Sept 12, 2010 14:54:04 GMT -5
The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. They're willing to accept a sacred treasure box that melts people's faces off, and a man outrunning a big-ass boulder, but not hiding in the fridge from a nuke? I think it's because the Ark Of The Covenant is already a fantastical element. Same with the Sankara Stones, or the Holy Grail; they're presented with no realism whatsoever. But the fridge/nuke thing is presented as a logical and practical solution to escaping a nuclear blast unharmed. Whereas the other elements are supernatural in nature, this takes real elements and adds a fantastical element to them, and it's ludicrous (in any number of ways). And as far as the original post goes, I'll cut the movie some slack on "realism" as long as the movie doesn't try to posit a "slice of life" feeling. Hot Tub Time Machine? Bats*** insane. I expect ridiculous dialogue, ridiculous scripting, ridiculous everything so I'm fine with it. Juno? That was supposed to feel down to Earth and realistic, but everyone talked in cliches and buzzwords, like it was scripted by corporate committee. And the final act is just creepy and wrong. Star Wars? License to go nuts. Garden State? License revoked. Jed Shaffer ~Said my piece. I'm sure what I said will be dissected, but I stand by it. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 12, 2010 15:01:46 GMT -5
And as far as the original post goes, I'll cut the movie some slack on "realism" as long as the movie doesn't try to posit a "slice of life" feeling. Hot Tub Time Machine? Bats*** insane. I expect ridiculous dialogue, ridiculous scripting, ridiculous everything so I'm fine with it. Juno? That was supposed to feel down to Earth and realistic, but everyone talked in cliches and buzzwords, like it was scripted by corporate committee. And the final act is just creepy and wrong. Star Wars? License to go nuts. Garden State? License revoked. In regards to Juno, Diablo Cody's (admittedly odd) dialogue wasn't much of an issue with me, but I felt as if the film wanted me to take that aspect with a grain of salt. I had trouble feeling for the title character, but it was more that she just rubbed me the wrong way rather than a "believability" issue. It accomplished its goal, but Juno herself just wasn't very likable to me. I've known folks like that. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 12, 2010 15:16:33 GMT -5
They're willing to accept a sacred treasure box that melts people's faces off, and a man outrunning a big-ass boulder, but not hiding in the fridge from a nuke? One is magic... the other is just a fridge. No kidding. Indy's world has presented these objects as containing special powers. Not a damn fridge. |
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Post by waluigi on Sept 12, 2010 15:20:06 GMT -5
As of late, I've been coming across more and more film reviews where the action, dialogue or plotline might be chided as not being believable (outside of movies with fantasy-type themes). Maybe I'm a lot more forgiving than most, but stuff like that tends not to bother me. An example would be Forrest Gump- not a believable scene in that entire movie, but I still enjoyed it due to its characters and its general idea. I get the hate for badly-done CGI, but I'm more tolerant when it comes to something intentionally unrealistic the filmmakers wanted to make. You confuse desire for realism with desire for logic. |
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Post by Cela on Sept 12, 2010 15:25:30 GMT -5
And yet no one bats an eye when Shia Lebouf, Michael Cera, or the Mac guy are cast as romantic leads.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 12, 2010 15:32:39 GMT -5
And yet no one bats an eye when Shia Lebouf, Michael Cera, or the Mac guy are cast as romantic leads. Why should we? Girls like them, don't they? And as for logic as opposed to realism, no. I can see how an action executed by a character that goes against how they were written (up to that point) could take the viewer out of the story. It's the outlanish plotlines that are placed in semi-realistic settings I'm defending. |
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 12, 2010 16:03:52 GMT -5
I hate that in 2010, in an action movie when a car hits something or falls off a cliff and explodes, someone always has to be like "YA KNOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE! CARS DONT DO THAT ON IMPACT". Its like, EVERYONE knows at this point. Quit pretending your smart for realizing that.
They are the same people who see a logo in a movie, and feel the need to let everyone know that they know that theirs some product placement going on...
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 12, 2010 16:43:36 GMT -5
The thing is, there's a fine line between suspension of disbelief or acceptable breach from reality and flat-out taking the piss out of the audience, especially when the lack of realism comes from things everybody witnesses every day, like the super-computers of doom in whodunits and their magical "enhance" buttons.
The major problem is when a fiction is taking place in a setting that is supposed to be the real World as we know it but still ignores the rules of real life in the name of plot convenience. And the real problem isn't so much that it's unrealistic as it is that it's just f'n lazy, especially when it becomes a major plot point and/or affects whether a character dies or lives.
But I agree I get annoyed by people who take realism highly seriously when it doesn't change anything to the way things would have went, or isn't that far from reality.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 12, 2010 16:48:13 GMT -5
The nuked fridge is no more "unrealistic" than anything from any of the other Indiana Jones movies. I never got the hate for it. A bomb detonates, evaporating an entire town in about ten seconds, leaving nothing behind except nuclear hatred... EXCEPT! A refridgerator that holds up just fine. And not only that, launches into the air at terminal velocity and lands fifteen miles away. Meanwhile, the sixty year old man who was hiding inside of it doesn't suffer any injuries except some minor scratches and boo boos and is able to walk away under his own power. And all because the fridge was lined with lead. Get it now? No. I don't get it now. It's no more unrealistic than dropping out of a plane in a raft, sliding down a mountain, over a cliff, and ito rapids all without his hat coming off..............or the entire mine cart chase scene...............or anything else from "Temple of Doom", really. |
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Post by The Tank on Sept 12, 2010 16:54:00 GMT -5
A bomb detonates, evaporating an entire town in about ten seconds, leaving nothing behind except nuclear hatred... EXCEPT! A refridgerator that holds up just fine. And not only that, launches into the air at terminal velocity and lands fifteen miles away. Meanwhile, the sixty year old man who was hiding inside of it doesn't suffer any injuries except some minor scratches and boo boos and is able to walk away under his own power. And all because the fridge was lined with lead. Get it now? No. I don't get it now. It's no more unrealistic than dropping out of a plane in a raft, sliding down a mountain, over a cliff, and ito rapids all without his hat coming off..............or the entire mine cart chase scene...............or anything else from "Temple of Doom", really. Now try comparing it to something not from the original bad Indy movie.  |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 12, 2010 16:54:41 GMT -5
I just go to the movies to be entertained. I don't really care if what I'm seeing is logical or realistic so long as it's fun.
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Post by waluigi on Sept 12, 2010 16:54:57 GMT -5
A bomb detonates, evaporating an entire town in about ten seconds, leaving nothing behind except nuclear hatred... EXCEPT! A refridgerator that holds up just fine. And not only that, launches into the air at terminal velocity and lands fifteen miles away. Meanwhile, the sixty year old man who was hiding inside of it doesn't suffer any injuries except some minor scratches and boo boos and is able to walk away under his own power. And all because the fridge was lined with lead. Get it now? No. I don't get it now. It's no more unrealistic than dropping out of a plane in a raft, sliding down a mountain, over a cliff, and ito rapids all without his hat coming off..............or the entire mine cart chase scene...............or anything else from "Temple of Doom", really. Why would you use Temple of Doom as an example? |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 12, 2010 16:55:19 GMT -5
I'd believe any of the stupid crap in Temple of Doom before I'd believe a guy survives just fine a nuclear bomb in a goddamn refrigerator.
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