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Post by truwrestlingfan on Apr 27, 2010 19:48:23 GMT -5
damn...has a primetime, 2 hour wrestling show ever done that poorly before....in like history?
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Post by GaTechGrad on Apr 27, 2010 20:05:18 GMT -5
I think it's TNA's lowest rating ever on Spike... They were doing 0.1's and 0.2's when they were on Friday afternoons on Fox Sports Net.
I believe WCW Saturday Night on TBS consistently pulled 1's in the late 90's.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 27, 2010 20:12:06 GMT -5
Raw only did a 3.1, and considering it was the Draft show, that's not great. Much much much much better than 0.5, but I'm guessing something was on last night that attracted some of the usual 'tune in if nothing else is on' wrestling audience? Not surprised, Raw always does a bit lower in the 1st hour of their 3 hour shows, but I think the 3 hr. draft show had more to do with it than it being taped, both were factors but Raw being 3 hrs. had more to do with it obviously.
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Post by bob on Apr 27, 2010 20:14:05 GMT -5
no real shock considering it was up against the WWE draft....but I'm betting they will have a monster rating on the Thursday replay
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Post by NOwave on Apr 27, 2010 20:21:16 GMT -5
I suspect the Monday night time slot is in jeopardy. If thursday's numbers are better, and then next Monday's rating is not significantly better than 0.5, I'd certainly urge a return to Thursday night if I were a Spike exec.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 27, 2010 20:22:51 GMT -5
I don't really love Hogan either but, overall, he's been good for the product. They popped their biggest rating because of him. That may be. But it's similar to when WCW brought people like The Warrior in. There's a ratings spike because it's a well known name and a lot of casual viewers may tune in to take a look. But that's the high point.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 27, 2010 20:30:21 GMT -5
Its not because its f***ing taped. How many people read spoilers? 50 thousand at most. How many than read it and don't watch? Not enough with a ratings box to affect the rating. Besides watching it you wouldn't know it was taped if on the live episodes they didn't say live every 30 seconds and really it does really change the product. Its more likely that Raw took most of the 1st hour audience that watch wrestling at 8 pm
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Post by ICBM on Apr 27, 2010 20:31:14 GMT -5
I won't call fail yet (Spike exec move back 2 thurs; coment) but I will say that they know, KNOW that thier numbers are better on Thursday. Why not go back?
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Post by golding on Apr 27, 2010 20:33:29 GMT -5
That really does surprise me. I thought it was a pretty good episode. And by comparison, I flipped to RAW after the show ended and had to stop a half hour later. Hopefully they rebound next week.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 27, 2010 20:44:21 GMT -5
I was listening to Bill Behrens' podcast on Who's Slamming Who, and I can't recommend it enough for people here to get analysis on TNA, as he gives the best right now, due to the fact that he was a personal and financial interest in TNA, as many of the talents he manages work there, including AJ Styles and Hernandez. He is sometimes very critical of TNA, as he wants it to succeed, for more then just love of wrestling, but for business reasons as well. Basically, he was expecting a low rating because of last week. While it was a good show, what happened is they threw too much together, and made everything about having the babyfaces go over. There was no heat. One thing of note last week was the RVD/Jeff Hardy match dropped 20% from the previous quarter hour, which has been the largest drop off of the year. Why? Is it because Hardy and RVD aren't draws? No. The problem is, nobody cared. The match was thrown together out of no where. People came back to see the winner face AJ Styles for the TNA World Title, so the RVD/Hardy match was irrelevant. However, as Behrens suggested, if they made it a best of 3 series between the two, and the winner faces AJ Styles, they may've been able to bring in some interest for the next week's show, and keep interest up for that, as there would be no reason to tune away. TNA is doing too much hot shotting. They've failing right now. They could bring in the Rock, and it wouldn't generate that much publicity, unless they promote it, build it, tease it, and deliever. Hogan didn't draw the 1.88 rating. The build towards Hogan did. Making it seem important did. And the proof of that is, this show did a .5. And with Raw's rating for the draft, it's obvious that it's not Raw beating Impact. It's Impact beating Impact. One issue he brought up was TNA is failing to brand itself, and one reason he thinks hurts that is, WWE guys (specifically branded WWE guys) are coming in, and crushing the TNA guys. RVD and Jeff Hardy for the most part have crushed their opponents, with some heat getting back on them, but not much. In WWE, when they're building a star, they'll build him to a certain point, but he hits the wall, because he goes up against the established talent. Drew McIntyre had this issue recently. He was undefeated, but eventually, he ran into Kane, Matt Hardy and The Undertaker, and got beaten. So now, when Drew beats established guys, he earned it, he worked hard, and finally got to where he was. In ROH, when Jerry Lynn and D'lo Brown came in, did they just run over the competition? No. They had great matches, got beat, but then also went on to beat others, because they're still great wrestlers, and that's how it was established. They earned their keep. And now, TNA is having a hard time branding themselves, because of all these talents coming in right off the bat. Before, they had former WWE guys come in, and slowly turn into TNA guys, like Christian Cage, Tomko, Kurt Angle, etc. But with the new regime, they brought in a bunch of former WWE guys, and for the most part, the TNA guys got beat. Anyway, I'm gonna post a link to the podcast, because it goes into detail on TNA's issues, and it's a great listen. whosslammingwho.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-04-27T07_19_03-07_00
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Post by wcw on Apr 27, 2010 21:02:39 GMT -5
This may just be a really bad aberration for TNA. Raw had snaked some ratings (Although their ratings were pretty bad as well) and maybe it was just a bad night. Hopefully they do better on the Thursday replay. But I was expecting a .7 or .8 for this weeks show.
But I guess the taped show and no unopposed hour hurt them more then I expected. TNA has been doing a better job creatively I hope it shows in the ratings.
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Post by FallOverBoy on Apr 27, 2010 21:05:25 GMT -5
Not at all. I think most people knew he wasnt all along Yeah, I'm starting to wonder where is the multitude of RVD fans that are supposed to start watching TNA after they made him champ. I just don't buy this theory, and im not attacking either of you, as its a mantra so many within wrestling tend to share as well, but I dont see how ANYONE as champion, if they were already there in an exposed enough position to warrant a title shot, is going directly effect ratings. Half the time I cant even remember who the champion is when i tune in to wrestling shows. I just dont see how this will draw in RVD fans that wern't watching already. FAN 1: Lets watch TNA tonight, RVD is on. FAN 2: I thought you didn't care? FAN 1: Yeah, but now he's wearing a belt I think there are exceptions, but main eventer to main eventer title changes are going to make very little difference, same people you saw last week, there just sharing accessories now.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 27, 2010 21:10:23 GMT -5
One thing of note last week was the RVD/Jeff Hardy match dropped 20% from the previous quarter hour, which has been the largest drop off of the year. Why? Is it because Hardy and RVD aren't draws? No. The problem is, nobody cared. The match was thrown together out of no where. People came back to see the winner face AJ Styles for the TNA World Title, so the RVD/Hardy match was irrelevant. However, as Behrens suggested, if they made it a best of 3 series between the two, and the winner faces AJ Styles, they may've been able to bring in some interest for the next week's show, and keep interest up for that, as there would be no reason to tune away. That makes no goddamn sense.So, they didn't care about the first match, but they cared about the second, which was set up by the first, meaning that they actually had to have cared in the first place to care about the second match in the second place, and yet it's cause they didn't care in the first place, but the second place has the interest from the first place and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Diamond Dallas Dom on Apr 27, 2010 21:29:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm starting to wonder where is the multitude of RVD fans that are supposed to start watching TNA after they made him champ. I just don't buy this theory, and im not attacking either of you, as its a mantra so many within wrestling tend to share as well, but I dont see how ANYONE as champion, if they were already there in an exposed enough position to warrant a title shot, is going directly effect ratings. Half the time I cant even remember who the champion is when i tune in to wrestling shows. I just dont see how this will draw in RVD fans that wern't watching already. FAN 1: Lets watch TNA tonight, RVD is on. FAN 2: I thought you didn't care? FAN 1: Yeah, but now he's wearing a belt I think there are exceptions, but main eventer to main eventer title changes are going to make very little difference, same people you saw last week, there just sharing accessories now. Totally agree with you. If one of my favorite wrestlers is on a program, it doesn't matter if he's a title holder or not. Geez, I tune into Impact every week just to see Hall for two minutes.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Apr 27, 2010 21:39:05 GMT -5
Isn't this a low ebb for wrestling in general? Hockey and Basketball are at their peak and baseball is just getting rolling so there are plenty of options. Plus it is spring and people are getting out more and not watching the tube as much.
I just don't know why TNA decided to make their run at a real bad time. First they were competing with WWE during their WM run which is brutal and now as the WWE cycles down, other sports distractions are kicking up.
In and of itself this .5 is not dangerous, but I'm not sure if the audience they need will be paying attention as we near the summer. It all comes down to what Spike TV wants out of them.
It boggles my mind that the replay on Thursday could outdraw the Monday show and yet people think they should continue with Monday. Why not just stay on Thursday where you are established and try to build a bigger audience?
This Monday obsession is a bit silly and I think it is costing TNA more money than it is worth.
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Post by lookout on Apr 27, 2010 21:41:52 GMT -5
Keep pushing abyss hogan. Keep sticking your ugly old face out there too. Keep rushing from segment to segment. Keep taping in the same lame studio that screams bush league. Keep having a 60 something year old flair embarrassing himself wrestling someone no one cares about in the main event.
Sigh. I really really really wanted tna to succeed and push the wwe but my god they end shows like monday with abyss and freaking flair? I'm one of the biggest flair marks ever, but that had to be one of the most awkward and embarrassing matches I've ever seen. And I'm so irritated by this stupid abyss storyline I want to scream and break something. It's no wonder their ratings suck.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 27, 2010 22:09:54 GMT -5
One thing of note last week was the RVD/Jeff Hardy match dropped 20% from the previous quarter hour, which has been the largest drop off of the year. Why? Is it because Hardy and RVD aren't draws? No. The problem is, nobody cared. The match was thrown together out of no where. People came back to see the winner face AJ Styles for the TNA World Title, so the RVD/Hardy match was irrelevant. However, as Behrens suggested, if they made it a best of 3 series between the two, and the winner faces AJ Styles, they may've been able to bring in some interest for the next week's show, and keep interest up for that, as there would be no reason to tune away. That makes no goddamn sense.So, they didn't care about the first match, but they cared about the second, which was set up by the first, meaning that they actually had to have cared in the first place to care about the second match in the second place, and yet it's cause they didn't care in the first place, but the second place has the interest from the first place and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!They cared about the second match because it was a title match. And they were going to find out the winner by watching that match. They didn't need to watch RVD vs Hardy. There was no backstory or drama to it, the only one that had it was the title match, because it was a title match. And again, this is shown by the ratings. This was explained better by Bill Behrens as well, and why I keep bringing him up. He's also very good at explaining why certain ratings were good, and others not so good, as he has television experience, and putting in my opinion on that would just distort things as I have no television experience.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 27, 2010 22:16:40 GMT -5
Keep pushing abyss hogan. Keep sticking your ugly old face out there too. Keep rushing from segment to segment. Keep taping in the same lame studio that screams bush league. Keep having a 60 something year old flair embarrassing himself wrestling someone no one cares about in the main event. Sigh. I really really really wanted tna to succeed and push the wwe but my god they end shows like monday with abyss and freaking flair? I'm one of the biggest flair marks ever, but that had to be one of the most awkward and embarrassing matches I've ever seen. And I'm so irritated by this stupid abyss storyline I want to scream and break something. It's no wonder their ratings suck. I want to comment on Abyss, I guess because I do like him, and think he's a hell of a talent. But, what's been happening to him lately has been beyond sad. I thought it was bad before, but now it's just a nightmare that poor Abyss has to have his career hurt by becoming Hogan's avatar.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 27, 2010 22:20:05 GMT -5
That makes no goddamn sense.So, they didn't care about the first match, but they cared about the second, which was set up by the first, meaning that they actually had to have cared in the first place to care about the second match in the second place, and yet it's cause they didn't care in the first place, but the second place has the interest from the first place and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!They cared about the second match because it was a title match. And they were going to find out the winner by watching that match. They didn't need to watch RVD vs Hardy. There was no backstory or drama to it, the only one that had it was the title match, because it was a title match. And again, this is shown by the ratings. This was explained better by Bill Behrens as well. But if they didn't care, then why was the first part of it one of the bigger numbers?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 27, 2010 22:25:10 GMT -5
They cared about the second match because it was a title match. And they were going to find out the winner by watching that match. They didn't need to watch RVD vs Hardy. There was no backstory or drama to it, the only one that had it was the title match, because it was a title match. And again, this is shown by the ratings. This was explained better by Bill Behrens as well. But if they didn't care, then why was the first part of it one of the bigger numbers? Could've been a lead in. You're also not looking at the whole picture though. The match lost 20% of the viewers. The biggest loss all year. It's like, if a promo is at the start of the show, and it starts high, but then the next quarter hour sinks, was the promo really that good, as it didn't retain any of the audience.
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