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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 27, 2010 22:26:21 GMT -5
The ratings fall had a lot of reasons why. Being tape DOES effect it. But it not everything. I said it was tape was the reason. I should said more. It's also the booking of the show.
The show itself Yes was good but the factors to draw in the fans are not. Lets look at the show. Your main event was Ric Flair vs. Abyss. Nobody these days want to see Ric Flair wrestle. More so in a singles match. Abyss who is being push to the moon is not the top draw he still not even in the top five. You also gotta factor in the hyping of your matches. TNA only had it on there site. I'm not even sure of Abyss vs. Flair was even anounce on Impact last week.
Last week draw better yes. Hardy vs. RVD should been big but TNA NEVER anounced it before hand. That where they failed again. Hardy and RVD are two big drawing stars. But there not going to draw if fans don't know there going at it.
TNA only advertised one match on there site. Which was not appealing to most fans when it Abyss and Flair. If they posted that match and also the Tag match Hardy and Jarrett vs. Sting and Styles. TNA needs to know who the bread and butter are. Who the fans are really into. That are RVD, Hardy, Pope, Anderson, and Styles. They are the ones getting the big reactions. But you have to make sure the fans know there in action or on the show.
RVD winning the belt did draw. Fans had about an hour to know about it. To tell some friends at less.
This is why Impact failing on mondays because they want against the draft, They didn't adverstise more then one match. It was tapped.
Every week TNA needs to have some matches listed for Imapct by Wedensday. Anounce your ME. Anounce any other matches that as your stars in them or title match. TNA could been better last week in ratings had they said. Styles will defend the title but who would he face RVD or Hardy as they square of for the shot. That would get fans interested in it. Then they watch.
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 27, 2010 22:28:03 GMT -5
I really think TNA should go back to Thursdays. The Monday thing (even when they do a good show, as the RVD one was) isn't really an effective place for them to be right now. They just aren't established enough.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 27, 2010 22:29:12 GMT -5
The ratings fall had a lot of reasons why. Being tape DOES effect it. But it not everything. I said it was tape was the reason. I should said more. It's also the booking of the show. The show itself Yes was good but the factors to draw in the fans are not. Lets look at the show. Your main event was Ric Flair vs. Abyss. Nobody these days want to see Ric Flair wrestle. More so in a singles match. Abyss who is being push to the moon is not the top draw he still not even in the top five. You also gotta factor in the hyping of your matches. TNA only had it on there site. I'm not even sure of Abyss vs. Flair was even anounce on Impact last week. Last week draw better yes. Hardy vs. RVD should been big but TNA NEVER anounced it before hand. That where they failed again. Hardy and RVD are two big drawing stars. But there not going to draw if fans don't know there going at it. TNA only advertised one match on there site. Which was not appealing to most fans when it Abyss and Flair. If they posted that match and also the Tag match Hardy and Jarrett vs. Sting and Styles. TNA needs to know who the bread and butter are. Who the fans are really into. That are RVD, Hardy, Pope, Anderson, and Styles. They are the ones getting the big reactions. But you have to make sure the fans know there in action or on the show. RVD winning the belt did draw. Fans had about an hour to know about it. To tell some friends at less. This is why Impact failing on mondays because they want against the draft, They didn't adverstise more then one match. It was tapped. Every week TNA needs to have some matches listed for Imapct by Wedensday. Anounce your ME. Anounce any other matches that as your stars in them or title match. TNA could been better last week in ratings had they said. Styles will defend the title but who would he face RVD or Hardy as they square of for the shot. That would get fans interested in it. Then they watch. But why Wednesday? Why not announce it on the tv show, and promote it on Spike during the week?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 27, 2010 22:30:43 GMT -5
Normally, I'm not on the "excuse of the week" bandwagon that always comes to the rescue to say "but *insert random event here* happened" whenever TNA does a low rating, but this seemed like a HORRIBLE week to be TNA Impact. There were so many other things on, that TNA was gonna get f***ed even if they put on their best wrestling show of the year.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 27, 2010 22:35:48 GMT -5
The ratings fall had a lot of reasons why. Being tape DOES effect it. But it not everything. I said it was tape was the reason. I should said more. It's also the booking of the show. The show itself Yes was good but the factors to draw in the fans are not. Lets look at the show. Your main event was Ric Flair vs. Abyss. Nobody these days want to see Ric Flair wrestle. More so in a singles match. Abyss who is being push to the moon is not the top draw he still not even in the top five. You also gotta factor in the hyping of your matches. TNA only had it on there site. I'm not even sure of Abyss vs. Flair was even anounce on Impact last week. Last week draw better yes. Hardy vs. RVD should been big but TNA NEVER anounced it before hand. That where they failed again. Hardy and RVD are two big drawing stars. But there not going to draw if fans don't know there going at it. TNA only advertised one match on there site. Which was not appealing to most fans when it Abyss and Flair. If they posted that match and also the Tag match Hardy and Jarrett vs. Sting and Styles. TNA needs to know who the bread and butter are. Who the fans are really into. That are RVD, Hardy, Pope, Anderson, and Styles. They are the ones getting the big reactions. But you have to make sure the fans know there in action or on the show. RVD winning the belt did draw. Fans had about an hour to know about it. To tell some friends at less. This is why Impact failing on mondays because they want against the draft, They didn't adverstise more then one match. It was tapped. Every week TNA needs to have some matches listed for Imapct by Wedensday. Anounce your ME. Anounce any other matches that as your stars in them or title match. TNA could been better last week in ratings had they said. Styles will defend the title but who would he face RVD or Hardy as they square of for the shot. That would get fans interested in it. Then they watch. How could they announce before last weeks show that Styles would face either Jeff or RVD for the World Title when it was the 1st show after a ppv?
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 27, 2010 22:36:50 GMT -5
God, I never get why any kind of reason is just thrown away as an excuse instead of at least considered. It's like no matter what kind of circumstances could have occurred, it doesn't mater, cause they should have planed for it weeks in advance or cause it's all just a sign that Hogan sucks.
I swear, if the people who did that were the guys running car insurance, no one would ever get reimbursed for anything.
"A car slammed behind you? Well, you should have given it enough space to stop beforehand!"
"You had your radio stolen? Why do you gotta show off your expensive stuff, then? you were just asking for it!"
"A tree fell on your car? Well, that's God's way of saying stop being a crappy driver!"
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Post by AriadosMan on Apr 27, 2010 22:37:08 GMT -5
Normally, I'm not on the "excuse of the week" bandwagon that always comes to the rescue to say "but *insert random event here* happened" whenever TNA does a low rating, but this seemed like a HORRIBLE week to be TNA Impact. There were so many other things on, that TNA was gonna get f***ed even if they put on their best wrestling show of the year. You're abolsutely right. The draft is difficult for other wrestling shows to counter. Still doesn't mean TNA was established enough to clear a Monday beachhead in the first place.
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Post by corndog on Apr 27, 2010 23:08:44 GMT -5
TNA themselves knew they would get killed mainly because of the WWE Draft, also NHL/NBA playoffs didn't help.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 27, 2010 23:10:23 GMT -5
The ratings fall had a lot of reasons why. Being tape DOES effect it. But it not everything. I said it was tape was the reason. I should said more. It's also the booking of the show. The show itself Yes was good but the factors to draw in the fans are not. Lets look at the show. Your main event was Ric Flair vs. Abyss. Nobody these days want to see Ric Flair wrestle. More so in a singles match. Abyss who is being push to the moon is not the top draw he still not even in the top five. You also gotta factor in the hyping of your matches. TNA only had it on there site. I'm not even sure of Abyss vs. Flair was even anounce on Impact last week. Last week draw better yes. Hardy vs. RVD should been big but TNA NEVER anounced it before hand. That where they failed again. Hardy and RVD are two big drawing stars. But there not going to draw if fans don't know there going at it. TNA only advertised one match on there site. Which was not appealing to most fans when it Abyss and Flair. If they posted that match and also the Tag match Hardy and Jarrett vs. Sting and Styles. TNA needs to know who the bread and butter are. Who the fans are really into. That are RVD, Hardy, Pope, Anderson, and Styles. They are the ones getting the big reactions. But you have to make sure the fans know there in action or on the show. RVD winning the belt did draw. Fans had about an hour to know about it. To tell some friends at less. This is why Impact failing on mondays because they want against the draft, They didn't adverstise more then one match. It was tapped. Every week TNA needs to have some matches listed for Imapct by Wedensday. Anounce your ME. Anounce any other matches that as your stars in them or title match. TNA could been better last week in ratings had they said. Styles will defend the title but who would he face RVD or Hardy as they square of for the shot. That would get fans interested in it. Then they watch. But why Wednesday? Why not announce it on the tv show, and promote it on Spike during the week? I said BY Wedensday. No later then that should they should have the big matches anounced. Most TV shows like the WWE only anounce the ME most of the time. Durng the shows they should anounce that and more if possible but there not going to get it all in on a weekly basics because you need to still focus on the show there as well and what is going on. So I'm saying what doesn't get on the TV show. They should start promoting the other matches so later then Wedensday. At way they got most of that week to promote the show by net and comercals. I only said Styles because he was the champion. But really how hard would it to be at anytime to say. Jeff Hardy will face RVD on Impact with the winner getting a shot at the World title later in the show? They could done that at time from the last Impact before Lockdown to that Sunday. Or even right after the PPV was over. At's 24 hours of a warning more then what we got. Impact preview before show time can help.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 27, 2010 23:36:26 GMT -5
I never really bought the "It's taped!" reason. With the exception of one or two episodes, every single episode of Impact on Thursdays was taped and they did just fine, ratings-wise. While they weren't spectacular, they were consistently 1.0 and 1.1, sometimes getting into 1.2 territory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the (very few) live Impacts on Thursdays do around the same numbers, even when advertised as live?
I think the WWE Draft + playoffs are mainly to blame. This is why I think TNA should really get off Mondays by the fall. If they can barely hold their ground against a 3 hour RAW (the first hour of which usually does poorer ratings than the latter two) and playoffs for hockey and basketball, they're gonna get destroyed by the juggernaut that is Monday Night Football.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 27, 2010 23:42:09 GMT -5
I was listening to Bill Behrens' podcast on Who's Slamming Who, and I can't recommend it enough for people here to get analysis on TNA, as he gives the best right now, due to the fact that he was a personal and financial interest in TNA, as many of the talents he manages work there, including AJ Styles and Hernandez. He is sometimes very critical of TNA, as he wants it to succeed, for more then just love of wrestling, but for business reasons as well. Basically, he was expecting a low rating because of last week. While it was a good show, what happened is they threw too much together, and made everything about having the babyfaces go over. There was no heat. One thing of note last week was the RVD/Jeff Hardy match dropped 20% from the previous quarter hour, which has been the largest drop off of the year. Why? Is it because Hardy and RVD aren't draws? No. The problem is, nobody cared. The match was thrown together out of no where. People came back to see the winner face AJ Styles for the TNA World Title, so the RVD/Hardy match was irrelevant. However, as Behrens suggested, if they made it a best of 3 series between the two, and the winner faces AJ Styles, they may've been able to bring in some interest for the next week's show, and keep interest up for that, as there would be no reason to tune away. TNA is doing too much hot shotting. They've failing right now. They could bring in the Rock, and it wouldn't generate that much publicity, unless they promote it, build it, tease it, and deliever. Hogan didn't draw the 1.88 rating. The build towards Hogan did. Making it seem important did. And the proof of that is, this show did a .5. And with Raw's rating for the draft, it's obvious that it's not Raw beating Impact. It's Impact beating Impact. One issue he brought up was TNA is failing to brand itself, and one reason he thinks hurts that is, WWE guys (specifically branded WWE guys) are coming in, and crushing the TNA guys. RVD and Jeff Hardy for the most part have crushed their opponents, with some heat getting back on them, but not much. In WWE, when they're building a star, they'll build him to a certain point, but he hits the wall, because he goes up against the established talent. Drew McIntyre had this issue recently. He was undefeated, but eventually, he ran into Kane, Matt Hardy and The Undertaker, and got beaten. So now, when Drew beats established guys, he earned it, he worked hard, and finally got to where he was. In ROH, when Jerry Lynn and D'lo Brown came in, did they just run over the competition? No. They had great matches, got beat, but then also went on to beat others, because they're still great wrestlers, and that's how it was established. They earned their keep. And now, TNA is having a hard time branding themselves, because of all these talents coming in right off the bat. Before, they had former WWE guys come in, and slowly turn into TNA guys, like Christian Cage, Tomko, Kurt Angle, etc. But with the new regime, they brought in a bunch of former WWE guys, and for the most part, the TNA guys got beat. Anyway, I'm gonna post a link to the podcast, because it goes into detail on TNA's issues, and it's a great listen. whosslammingwho.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-04-27T07_19_03-07_00I think Behrens makes a very, very fair argument here. For most of us wrestling fans, we don't need a ton of hype to get us interested in something; tell us that some of our favorite talents will be involved, and we'll tune in. For others, though, you have to start from the bottom up, and actually work to get them invested in the product you're peddling. In my honest opinion, I feel that WWE hasn't been consistently putting on quality programming in ages, but they do a fantastic job of getting the people who DO like their shows to become invested in them. They hype right, they build right, they do the "little things" that build an audience. TNA, usually, does not. Yet when TNA does do it, it's almost always positive results. They generated one of their highest grossing PPV's of all time when they get serious, dramatic hype to Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle for Lockdown a couple of years ago (Joe's title win), and they drew their best rating of all time when they hyped the holy hell out of Hogan's debut. Speaking selfishly, I don't need TNA to do hype anything to get me to watch them; I just want to see some good storylines and solid matches, and the past few weeks, they've done that. However, I'm not the bulk of the audience; I'm already a wrestling fan, again, it doesn't take an incredible hype job and build up of characters to get me to say, as an example, "Desmond Wolfe vs. Samoa Joe?! HELL YES!", since I would watch that match even if it had zero storyline build or relevance. TNA has got to start learning how to do this properly, but like I've said elsewhere, as long as they're going to promote their ENTIRE company (and very large roster) with only two hours worth of cable presence a week, it'll be nearly impossible to pull off. They absolutely need more programming, even if it's just shows like WWF and WCW used to have on Saturday/Sunday mornings and early afternoons, for recaps, promos, hype, etc.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 27, 2010 23:44:55 GMT -5
.....If they can barely hold their ground against a 3 hour RAW (the first hour of which usually does poorer ratings than the latter two) and playoffs for hockey and basketball, they're gonna get destroyed by the juggernaut that is Monday Night Football..... Agreed, sadly TNA should return to Thursday nights ASAP. The experiment has been a complete failure, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 28, 2010 0:11:19 GMT -5
.....If they can barely hold their ground against a 3 hour RAW (the first hour of which usually does poorer ratings than the latter two) and playoffs for hockey and basketball, they're gonna get destroyed by the juggernaut that is Monday Night Football..... Agreed, sadly TNA should return to Thursday nights ASAP. The experiment has been a complete failure, and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Considering they've mostly retained their audience (as a .8 on a Monday is roughly equivalent to a 1.0 on a Thursday), that really isn't fair to say. Not that I really supported the Monday move, mind you, but TNA has certainly discovered that they can run a show on the same night as WWE (though clearly not at the same timeslot), plus get decent ratings with just a replay of the same show on Thursday nights. Now you've learned that your company may be capable of supporting two weekly shows, since you can generate at least OK ratings on Mondays and Thursdays. Maybe not now, but it's at least info that you've got stored away. Anyway, they may still end up moving back, but it's still not a bad thing to find out.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 28, 2010 0:15:06 GMT -5
Raw only did a 3.1, and considering it was the Draft show, that's not great. Much much much much better than 0.5, but I'm guessing something was on last night that attracted some of the usual 'tune in if nothing else is on' wrestling audience? I can only think of one thing..... HOCKEY!!!!!!!! I agree with this. ;D
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 28, 2010 0:38:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I don't care what excuse you want to give, it all rings hollow. On Thursday, TNA consistantly had there ratings between a .9 to a 1.1. It didn't matter if the show was live or taped, if the show was amazing or average, what competition it had, even holidays didn't effect it much. None of that matter. TNA built up a core audience on Thursday and kept them watching. Now, on Mondays, on a good day they're lucky to get the low-end of there Thursday average. On bad days, there now getting half of that. There is just no excuse for that.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, it astonishes me that anybody can look at TNA being on Mondays as any kind of accomplishment. The only things saying Impact being on Monday is a good thing are old men with decades old grudges and 90's pop culture. The smart thing for TNA to do would've been to stay on Thursday and continue to grow you're audience from there. You want to truly be competition to the WWE? Then move heaven and Earth to make the average fan see Thursday as "wrestling night" instead of Monday.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 28, 2010 1:58:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I don't care what excuse you want to give, it all rings hollow. On Thursday, TNA consistantly had there ratings between a .9 to a 1.1. It didn't matter if the show was live or taped, if the show was amazing or average, what competition it had, even holidays didn't effect it much. None of that matter. TNA built up a core audience on Thursday and kept them watching. Now, on Mondays, on a good day they're lucky to get the low-end of there Thursday average. On bad days, there now getting half of that. There is just no excuse for that. I've said it before, I'll say it again, it astonishes me that anybody can look at TNA being on Mondays as any kind of accomplishment. The only things saying Impact being on Monday is a good thing are old men with decades old grudges and 90's pop culture. The smart thing for TNA to do would've been to stay on Thursday and continue to grow you're audience from there. You want to truly be competition to the WWE? Then move heaven and Earth to make the average fan see Thursday as "wrestling night" instead of Monday. 1.0 rating on a Thursday is less viewers than a 1.0 rating on a Monday. By and large, TNA has kept the actual number of viewers they had on Thursday nights, though being on Mondays has exposed them to nights like this, when their ratings can get hit hard. It's by no means a big time success, but it really hasn't hurt them, either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 7:37:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I don't care what excuse you want to give, it all rings hollow. On Thursday, TNA consistantly had there ratings between a .9 to a 1.1. It didn't matter if the show was live or taped, if the show was amazing or average, what competition it had, even holidays didn't effect it much. None of that matter. TNA built up a core audience on Thursday and kept them watching. Now, on Mondays, on a good day they're lucky to get the low-end of there Thursday average. On bad days, there now getting half of that. There is just no excuse for that. I've said it before, I'll say it again, it astonishes me that anybody can look at TNA being on Mondays as any kind of accomplishment. The only things saying Impact being on Monday is a good thing are old men with decades old grudges and 90's pop culture. The smart thing for TNA to do would've been to stay on Thursday and continue to grow you're audience from there. You want to truly be competition to the WWE? Then move heaven and Earth to make the average fan see Thursday as "wrestling night" instead of Monday. 1.0 rating on a Thursday is less viewers than a 1.0 rating on a Monday. I question that theory. 4/19/10 TNA iMPACT scored a 1.0 cable rating. This is rounded up from an 0.95. iMPACT this week averaged 1,334,000 viewers. So .95 = 1.3 million. TNA Impact on 6/12/2008 did a 0.93 cable rating with 1.3 million viewers overall. .95 on Mondays is 1.3 million viewers .93 on Thursdays is 1.3 millions viewers. So TNA really moved to Monday for a difference of .02 in capturing a bigger audience? Can we please put the "Monday's offer a bigger audience theory" to rest?
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on Apr 28, 2010 7:42:40 GMT -5
WWE only got a 3.1. I think Playoff season is just crapping on everything atm.
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on Apr 28, 2010 7:53:17 GMT -5
Can we please put the "Monday's offer a bigger audience theory" to rest? Monday's do offer a bigger potential audience, it's just most are sticking with the tried and true WWE, shoddy quality be damned. Like they say, old habits die hard. As long as Spike is willing, I'd keep the set-up exactly the way it is now. There's no point in moving back to Thursdays exclusively when you can have a prime time Monday night slot and the Thursday night slot for repeats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 7:59:58 GMT -5
Can we please put the "Monday's offer a bigger audience theory" to rest? Monday's do offer a bigger potential audience, it's just most are sticking with the tried and true WWE, shoddy quality be damned. Like they say, old habits die hard. As long as Spike is willing, I'd keep the set-up exactly the way it is now. There's no point in moving back to Thursdays exclusively when you can have a prime time Monday night slot and the Thursday night slot for repeats. I'd still like to see proof that there's a bigger a potential audience on Monday. I've seen a lot of people say that, but there's no proof that the cross over audience between RAW and iMPACT is substantial. I think IF iMPACT stayed in this .5-.9 area for months, SpikeTV will force them to move back to Thursdays where they were getting 1.2-1.3's and getting SpikeTV a ton more money in Ad revenue.
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