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Post by slickster on May 3, 2010 17:26:15 GMT -5
If this is true, TNA absolutely and unequivocally lost the "war" they tried to start. They were dead wrong about going head to head with RAW and the Monday night being "wrestling night." I highly doubt TNA expected a real war between the two companies. The more likely scenario is that they used the legendary "Monday Night Wars" as a gimmick to try and create buzz for iMPACT! moving to Mondays. Unfortunately it didn't work and fans continued to choose sports entertainment and low-rate pseudo-comedy over professional wrestling and non-stop action. Them's the breaks.
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Post by Natalya's Ass Fanboy on May 3, 2010 17:35:48 GMT -5
I highly doubt TNA expected a real war between the two companies. The more likely scenario is that they used the legendary "Monday Night Wars" as a gimmick to try and create buzz for iMPACT! moving to Mondays. Unfortunately it didn't work and fans continued to choose sports entertainment and low-rate pseudo-comedy over professional wrestling and non-stop action. Them's the breaks. I agree - TNA can't draw fans. It just goes to show that the "Monday Night Wars," "Attitude Era" style of booking doesn't work anymore. The fans want something else. Ridicule it if you like, but WWE aren't the ones tucking their tails betweent thier legs. TNA will do much better on Thursday. Even against the NBA playoffs they only lost a tenth of a rating point at most. Hopefully they'll be able to worry less about "competing" and more about putting on a good show like they did mid 2009 I don't think it's that the Attitude Era-style doesn't draw anymore (the WWE's ratings plummet coincides with their phasing out of that style), but more that TNA just isn't established enough to be a big time ratings drawer.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 3, 2010 17:39:34 GMT -5
I agree - TNA can't draw fans. It just goes to show that the "Monday Night Wars," "Attitude Era" style of booking doesn't work anymore. The fans want something else. Ridicule it if you like, but WWE aren't the ones tucking their tails betweent thier legs. TNA will do much better on Thursday. Even against the NBA playoffs they only lost a tenth of a rating point at most. Hopefully they'll be able to worry less about "competing" and more about putting on a good show like they did mid 2009 I don't think it's that the Attitude Era-style doesn't draw anymore (the WWE's ratings plummet coincides with their phasing out of that style), but more that TNA just isn't established enough to be a big time ratings drawer. But here's the rub: Nothing they're doing IS establishing them. Bringing in Kurt Angle was supposed to establish them. It didn't work. Bringing in Hogan was supposed to establish them. It hasn't worked. Going live every other show was supposed to establish them. It didn't work. Going to Mondays was supposed to be the first shot in a new war. It didn't work. Nothing TNA is doing is outright failing, but nothing they're doing is suceeding, either. At some point, "they aren't established" won't work anymore.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on May 3, 2010 17:40:15 GMT -5
And Hardcore WWE fans everywhere will laugh.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 3, 2010 17:41:11 GMT -5
I agree - TNA can't draw fans. It just goes to show that the "Monday Night Wars," "Attitude Era" style of booking doesn't work anymore. The fans want something else. Ridicule it if you like, but WWE aren't the ones tucking their tails betweent thier legs. TNA will do much better on Thursday. Even against the NBA playoffs they only lost a tenth of a rating point at most. Hopefully they'll be able to worry less about "competing" and more about putting on a good show like they did mid 2009 I don't think it's that the Attitude Era-style doesn't draw anymore (the WWE's ratings plummet coincides with their phasing out of that style), but more that TNA just isn't established enough to be a big time ratings drawer. Then that is TNA's fault for thinking they could go against the established product and thrive.
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Post by Vampiro138 on May 3, 2010 17:42:57 GMT -5
i like tna...but this calls for....
TNA ran away Bravely ran away away. When danger reared it's ugly head, They bravely turned their tail and fled Yes, brave TNA turned about And gallantly they chickened out Bravely taking to their feet, they beat a very brave retreat Bravest of the braaaave, TNA!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2010 17:45:49 GMT -5
I agree - TNA can't draw fans. It just goes to show that the "Monday Night Wars," "Attitude Era" style of booking doesn't work anymore. The fans want something else. Ridicule it if you like, but WWE aren't the ones tucking their tails betweent thier legs. TNA will do much better on Thursday. Even against the NBA playoffs they only lost a tenth of a rating point at most. Hopefully they'll be able to worry less about "competing" and more about putting on a good show like they did mid 2009 I don't think it's that the Attitude Era-style doesn't draw anymore (the WWE's ratings plummet coincides with their phasing out of that style), but more that TNA just isn't established enough to be a big time ratings drawer. You've got it all turned around though. WWE didn't phase out the Attitude Era and then the ratings dropped. The ratings dropped DURING the end of the Attitude Era because people stop caring about it. They were forced to change. TNA's mgmt can't quite grasp that concept - but hopefully they do now.
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Post by superclash on May 3, 2010 17:47:45 GMT -5
JR?
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Post by diegorivera on May 3, 2010 17:50:57 GMT -5
TNA gave us the bastard child of a bad Nitro and ECW's dying days TNN show and, surprise, it tanked. Raw vs Impact was like George Lucas vs Uwe Boll; bad that was once good but seems like it will never be that way again vs bad that was always bad and seemingly incapable of being good because of incompetence, ignorance, stubborn refusal or a combination of all three. It's not the night, it's TNA taking one step forward and two steps back as they've always done. This is a good move for the company. Go back to Thursdays, pray you haven't lost what audience you had and actually build something before you challenge the weakened, but still far more powerful WWE empire, especially when audiences in general seem to have grown bored of professional wrestling in general.
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Post by Chip Jordan on May 3, 2010 17:52:57 GMT -5
TNA draws higher ratings on a Thursday night and taped shows are cheaper to produce.
I love this news.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on May 3, 2010 17:53:07 GMT -5
Crap now there is nothing to stop me from watching Raw.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 3, 2010 17:54:11 GMT -5
I highly doubt TNA expected a real war between the two companies. The more likely scenario is that they used the legendary "Monday Night Wars" as a gimmick to try and create buzz for iMPACT! moving to Mondays. Unfortunately it didn't work and fans continued to choose sports entertainment and low-rate pseudo-comedy over professional wrestling and non-stop action. Them's the breaks. Wow! At least this response wasn't from a TNA Hater *cough* Anyway I'm not surprised by this, they were never really gonna be able to compete head2head for long without a ratings drop, sure they'll probably get higher ratings this week than last week(live show + no 3 hr Raw), but it's still safer on Thursdaywhere they have a more est. audience, plus they did it before MNF came back to take away their's & Raw's ratings, but they took a chance & hopefully learned from that mistake.
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Post by BitterAF on May 3, 2010 17:56:16 GMT -5
Looking at it from a business stand point, they have tried BIG things within the past couple of months, which I think was a bad idea. They should have tried small things. They hold one live Impact, do pretty good actually, and then decide a month or so later to move to Mondays. They do that for 6 weeks or so, and then decide to move back to Thursdays. This makes the company look SO bad. At least for me, when I see a company constantly changing, I don't think things are going well inside there. Moving to Mondays was a big decision. You have to tell your fan base, "Hey! We are moving to Monday nights! Tune in there and not Thursday!" And then not even two months later they are saying "Hey! We are going back to Thursdays! Sorry!" They keep confusing their fan base. That is not good. The fans have no idea what is going on (except those of us in the IWC who are on the boards multiple times a day). If I was a causal fan, as in, catching it most weeks and not going on line to keep up on things, and I miss tonights episode, I'll tune in next week and be "WTF?" Think of it as a business you frequent. You get to work at 7am, and want to do lunch at 11am. So you and a co-worker go to X Cafe for lunch. The next week you want to go for lunch at 11am. You can, and it's closed, they don't open till 12pm now. The next week you go at 12pm and find out they opened at 11am. Talk about being confused. You could be basing what you do at work around what time they open. If you have no clue what time they open, you just won't go there and will go to a different cafe they you are sure that is open at 11am.
They should have done a live Monday Impact IMO 3 or 4 times, with 5 or 6 weeks in between, so you have time to hype the episode. To let the viewers know that on X date, they will be live on Monday. After you try it a few times, you can at least get a feel if it will work. Hell, even going live on Thursday first would have helped so they could get used to getting everything done in 2 hours because they won't be able to go and edit matches and promos down. TNA started jumping in the deep end way too soon.
I really want TNA to do well, but they are just making themselves look so stupid right now, like they have no idea what they are doing. I think everything has gone down hill since Hogan and Bischoff have come in. If I didn't know better, I would say two 18 year old's who have been to one Business 101 class are running the company.
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Post by jakemcclain on May 3, 2010 17:57:44 GMT -5
I liked TNA going after McMahon. Even if they went after the monster, at least they attempted it. Failed, but at least attempted.
But TNA has some product momentum going for them. Titles mean something, coming off a couple good feuds, and starting a couple other good ones, and it's getting more wrestling oriented. Be nice to come back to Thursday with.
They just need to get an audience back, that's the main thing.
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Post by erik316wttn on May 3, 2010 17:57:53 GMT -5
I'm sad, but then again I wish them the best. Get those ratings up in the 2.0 range if you can and then maybe try again.
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Post by erik316wttn on May 3, 2010 17:59:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's that the Attitude Era-style doesn't draw anymore (the WWE's ratings plummet coincides with their phasing out of that style), but more that TNA just isn't established enough to be a big time ratings drawer. But here's the rub: Nothing they're doing IS establishing them. Bringing in Kurt Angle was supposed to establish them. It didn't work. Bringing in Hogan was supposed to establish them. It hasn't worked. Going live every other show was supposed to establish them. It didn't work. Going to Mondays was supposed to be the first shot in a new war. It didn't work. Nothing TNA is doing is outright failing, but nothing they're doing is suceeding, either. At some point, "they aren't established" won't work anymore. What they need to do is better utilize the talent they have. Roster-wise, they're at least equal to WWE in terms of in-ring talent, but Vince is a marketing genius and knows how to create stars, something WCW and TNA never could quite figure out.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on May 3, 2010 18:05:02 GMT -5
Crap now there is nothing to stop me from watching Raw. Ha, exactly what I was thinking! The whole monday experiment was a great chance to rejuvinate both WWE and TNA, but I think TNA just produced the same old shit which has really annoyed me, as a wrestling fan Im getting very impatient for a show I can actually look forward to every week, its literally been 8 years or whatever.
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Post by Zombie Pig on May 3, 2010 18:06:13 GMT -5
TNA's big mistake was going back to Thursday after the Jan 4th show. They had lots of momentum after that show and waiting two months to return to Monday hurt them IMO. If I was Dixie, I would have asked Spike to trust TNA and give them at least 6 months on Monday to see if they could hold their own against WWE.
Even if they went back to Thursday in the end, TNA could have used that 6 months to put over their homegrown stars and young ex-WWE guys.
Anyone else feel like RVD winning the title on Impact will go down in history as a mistake now?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 3, 2010 18:09:54 GMT -5
TNA's big mistake was going back to Thursday after the Jan 4th show. They had lots of momentum after that show and waiting two months to return to Monday hurt them IMO. If I was Dixie, I would have asked Spike to trust TNA and give them at least 6 months on Monday to see if they could hold their own against WWE. Even if they went back to Thursday in the end, TNA could have used that 6 months to put over their homegrown stars and young ex-WWE guys. Anyone else feel like RVD winning the title on Impact will go down in history as a mistake now? Nah, that(and this is me speaking as an ardent RVD critic) wouldn't be fair to say at all. of all the problems in TNA right now, RVD as champ is one of the smaller ones. Could it be said that him winning and TNA going back to Thursdays are related? Yeah, that theory could be posited, but it wouldn't really be fair at all to say.
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Post by Chip Jordan on May 3, 2010 18:10:56 GMT -5
They should announce they're bringing back the six-sided ring. Swerve!
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