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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 8, 2010 17:23:12 GMT -5
TNA has failed to market towns. Every wrestling promotion in the history of the business has had to actually draw money in their home area. It's kind of the basic requisite for expanding to the national stage. WCW had a strong base of identification in places like Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. WWF had a huge advantage since they already controlled the major eastern cities like NYC, Boston, and Philly. ECW found success by cultivating that Philly/NYC corridor in an era when WWF wasn't so interested in that particular area.
TNA has never done this. I've never understood their house show lineups since they meander all over the country to the most random towns. My advice is to pick several of the top southeastern markets and run those towns on a regular basis. Run Atlanta regularly since that city hasn't had a consistent promotion in a while. Run Nashville on a regular basis since it's already the home base.
I'm sure TNA could carve out a nice niche for themselves in Louisville if they would simply run the area regularly. TNA had a killer house show here in 2007, had fans talking, and then they've been in the area maybe once since then (Shepherdsville, 20 miles outside of town).
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 8, 2010 17:26:56 GMT -5
TNA has failed to market towns. Every wrestling promotion in the history of the business has had to actually draw money in their home area. It's kind of the basic requisite for expanding to the national stage. WCW had a strong base of identification in places like Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. WWF had a huge advantage since they already controlled the major eastern cities like NYC, Boston, and Philly. ECW found success by cultivating that Philly/NYC corridor in an era when WWF wasn't so interested in that particular area. TNA has never done this. I've never understood their house show lineups since they meander all over the country to the most random towns. My advice is to pick several of the top southeastern markets and run those towns on a regular basis. Run Atlanta regularly since that city hasn't had a consistent promotion in a while. Run Nashville on a regular basis since it's already the home base. I'm sure TNA could carve out a nice niche for themselves in Louisville if they would simply run the area regularly. TNA had a killer house show here in 2007, had fans talking, and then they've been in the area maybe once since then (Shepherdsville, 20 miles outside of town). This is one of the weirdest things about TNA. Most wrestling federations at least try to have some sort of a regional identity. TNA doesn't have one because it mostly runs out of an amusement park.
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Post by Big L on Jul 8, 2010 18:23:56 GMT -5
That has to be news!!
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jul 8, 2010 22:29:47 GMT -5
TNA has failed to market towns. Every wrestling promotion in the history of the business has had to actually draw money in their home area. It's kind of the basic requisite for expanding to the national stage. WCW had a strong base of identification in places like Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. WWF had a huge advantage since they already controlled the major eastern cities like NYC, Boston, and Philly. ECW found success by cultivating that Philly/NYC corridor in an era when WWF wasn't so interested in that particular area. TNA has never done this. I've never understood their house show lineups since they meander all over the country to the most random towns. My advice is to pick several of the top southeastern markets and run those towns on a regular basis. Run Atlanta regularly since that city hasn't had a consistent promotion in a while. Run Nashville on a regular basis since it's already the home base. I'm sure TNA could carve out a nice niche for themselves in Louisville if they would simply run the area regularly. TNA had a killer house show here in 2007, had fans talking, and then they've been in the area maybe once since then (Shepherdsville, 20 miles outside of town). Quoted For Truth. They could build the brand in the Southeast and even run a few Impact tapings outside of Orlando, but they choose not to.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Jul 8, 2010 23:49:36 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't be that sad if tna goes. I find their product terrible most of the time and it just seems so 3rd rate with them taping in front of the same tiny audience all the time, their cheesy special effects, and really annoying and boring announcers.Not to mention how I feel about how they treat the women.
This isn't the RAW thread dude Troll moar
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 8, 2010 23:52:16 GMT -5
This isn't the RAW thread dude Troll moar But Grandpa, I wanna be a troll too! Trying to create an argument that can actually be supported is sooo hard...
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Post by jfpierce on Jul 9, 2010 0:17:36 GMT -5
EXACTLY. TNA is doomed regardless, the company sucks, but its actual ROSTER is quite good (I'd take it's pure roster, minus Hogan/Flair, over WWF 1996 as a survivable company any day). In the hands of a good promoter, they could POSSIBLY go places and become a strong company. But there's no hope for a company that manages to turn Jeff Hardy from the #2 draw in pro wrestling to "just another guy". TNA is like a dead tree preventing promising saplings from growing into strong trees. As long as the undead company survives, it will drag down US wrestling with it. Even TV Tropes once said they were "#2 by default". So the company dragging down US wrestling is...the one that's in a distant second place? Seriously? Not the one that non-wrestling fans have actually heard of? I think anyone here could list dozens of things wrong with tna, but to blame the whole state of wrestling today on them is seriously missing the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 3:17:03 GMT -5
Here is what worries me when it comes to TNA:
WWE is the number one promotion in America and probably always will be, at least for the foreseeable future.
TNA however, is the only other wrestling widely available on television and it's awful. If in fact it does get cancelled by Spike (big IF), it will probably be very hard for another wrestling promotion that's actually good to get a national TV deal with that kind of network support. Networks will assume that any non-WWE wrestling has no audience, and we'll be stuck with just WWE for a very long time most likely.
I do in fact enjoy WWE, but it would be nice to have a quality alternative on free TV.
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Post by Perigryn on Jul 9, 2010 3:34:13 GMT -5
Here is what worries me when it comes to TNA: WWE is the number one promotion in America and probably always will be, at least for the foreseeable future. TNA however, is the only other wrestling widely available on television and it's awful. If in fact it does get cancelled by Spike (big IF), it will probably be very hard for another wrestling promotion that's actually good to get a national TV deal with that kind of network support. Networks will assume that any non-WWE wrestling has no audience, and we'll be stuck with just WWE for a very long time most likely. I do in fact enjoy WWE, but it would be nice to have a quality alternative on free TV. Well said. TNA are their own worst enemy sometimes.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 9, 2010 11:13:56 GMT -5
Here is what worries me when it comes to TNA: WWE is the number one promotion in America and probably always will be, at least for the foreseeable future. TNA however, is the only other wrestling widely available on television and it's awful. If in fact it does get canceled by Spike (big IF), it will probably be very hard for another wrestling promotion that's actually good to get a national TV deal with that kind of network support. Networks will assume that any non-WWE wrestling has no audience, and we'll be stuck with just WWE for a very long time most likely. I do in fact enjoy WWE, but it would be nice to have a quality alternative on free TV. I'm sorry but that's bull on so many levels. Besides the whole awful thing (and really, every show has had at least one bad run, from the past to the present, and only TNA seems to be considered dying due to it.), it's dumb to think that TNA is hurting the wrestling scene. A few feds have gotten TV after TNA went to Spike, so the idea that they prevent anyone from growing is false.
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Post by dpg on Jul 9, 2010 11:44:53 GMT -5
So other companies not growing is TNA's fault now? It's amazing what some people will make up to blame TNA for.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 9, 2010 11:59:37 GMT -5
So other companies not growing is TNA's fault now? It's amazing what some people will make up to blame TNA for. Companies can't grow if they don't get TV time. And if people decide to not give another wrestling league a chance for fear of it being godawful as TNA...so be it. A return to the territory system might not be that bad. At least it would be better than keeping the decrepit "12 PPVs a year" model alive for a "national" promotion that can't even function as a regional.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 9, 2010 12:17:26 GMT -5
So other companies not growing is TNA's fault now? It's amazing what some people will make up to blame TNA for. Companies can't grow if they don't get TV time. And if people decide to not give another wrestling league a chance for fear of it being godawful as TNA...so be it. A return to the territory system might not be that bad. At least it would be better than keeping the decrepit "12 PPVs a year" model alive for a "national" promotion that can't even function as a regional. Oh, right, cause having a consistant fanbase and expansion on TV and live events is godawful for people who run TV..... And like I mentioned before, there are feds that are on TV as well, some that came on after TNA went to TV, so your whole point is mot.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 9, 2010 12:25:35 GMT -5
Oh, right, cause having a consistant fanbase and expansion on TV and live events is godawful for people who run TV..... And like I mentioned before, there are feds that are on TV as well, some that came on after TNA went to TV, so your whole point is mot. The consistant fanbase that followed them on their Monday Night "War" instead of turning on WWE in droves and leaving them with a .5?
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 9, 2010 12:27:45 GMT -5
Oh, right, cause having a consistant fanbase and expansion on TV and live events is godawful for people who run TV..... And like I mentioned before, there are feds that are on TV as well, some that came on after TNA went to TV, so your whole point is mot. The consistant fanbase that followed them on their Monday Night "War" instead of turning on WWE in droves and leaving them with a .5? Twice, not at all enough times to claim them as leaving in droves, and always reset to nromal the next week.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 9, 2010 12:32:00 GMT -5
Twice, not at all enough times to claim them as leaving in droves, and always reset to nromal the next week. Now you're claiming "victory" on the Monday Night War? Spike abandoned it. Clearly they did not get the rating Spike wanted. If TNA put out a quality product its fanbase wouldn't jump ship at the first site of RAW. WCW at its worst was almost always over a 2.0. A 2.0 would be the equivalent of the Moon Landing for TNA. I think its safe to say Spike wanted nothing to do with Dixie's idiotic warmongering.
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Post by metylerca on Jul 9, 2010 12:34:44 GMT -5
Twice, not at all enough times to claim them as leaving in droves, and always reset to nromal the next week. Now you're claiming "victory" on the Monday Night War? Spike abandoned it. Clearly they did not get the rating Spike wanted. If TNA put out a quality product its fanbase wouldn't jump ship at the first site of RAW. WCW at its worst was almost always over a 2.0. A 2.0 would be the equivalent of the Moon Landing for TNA. I think its safe to say Spike wanted nothing to do with Dixie's idiotic warmongering. Pretty much this, but in nicer terms. TNA went up against RAW and most people chose RAW. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No way anyone could ever twist it can erase that either.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 9, 2010 12:37:23 GMT -5
Twice, not at all enough times to claim them as leaving in droves, and always reset to nromal the next week. Now you're claiming "victory" on the Monday Night War? Spike abandoned it. Clearly they did not get the rating Spike wanted. If TNA put out a quality product its fanbase wouldn't jump ship at the first site of RAW. WCW at its worst was almost always over a 2.0. A 2.0 would be the equivalent of the Moon Landing for TNA. I think its safe to say Spike wanted nothing to do with Dixie's idiotic warmongering. Who the hell said anything about victory? I was talking about consistancy, and you're the one dragging in the Monday change. And as for WCW getting a 2.0, that was a drop from the 4.0-5.0 range. TNA, since going on Spike, never had that giant of a drop at all. So that consistancy is better off than having a bigger rating that was a faction of the original ratings.
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Post by metylerca on Jul 9, 2010 12:41:02 GMT -5
Now you're claiming "victory" on the Monday Night War? Spike abandoned it. Clearly they did not get the rating Spike wanted. If TNA put out a quality product its fanbase wouldn't jump ship at the first site of RAW. WCW at its worst was almost always over a 2.0. A 2.0 would be the equivalent of the Moon Landing for TNA. I think its safe to say Spike wanted nothing to do with Dixie's idiotic warmongering. Who the hell said anything about victory? I was talking about consistancy, and you're the one dragging in the Monday change. And as for WCW getting a 2.0, that was a drop from the 4.0-5.0 range. TNA, since going on Spike, never had that giant of a drop at all. So that consistancy is better off than having a bigger rating that was a faction of the original ratings. I don't know, Sinister, man. Going from a 1.1-1.2 to a .5,.6,.7 is a pretty steep drop at that level. I imagine them being out of business had they stayed on Mondays since then. Things were looking pretty grim when they decided to pull the plug on the Monday Night Scuffle.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 9, 2010 12:41:46 GMT -5
Now you're claiming "victory" on the Monday Night War? Spike abandoned it. Clearly they did not get the rating Spike wanted. If TNA put out a quality product its fanbase wouldn't jump ship at the first site of RAW. WCW at its worst was almost always over a 2.0. A 2.0 would be the equivalent of the Moon Landing for TNA. I think its safe to say Spike wanted nothing to do with Dixie's idiotic warmongering. Pretty much this, but in nicer terms. TNA went up against RAW and most people chose RAW. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No way anyone could ever twist it can erase that either. It is twisted around, though, to make it seem worse than it was. It got a .5 rating twice, and yet that seems to be the only rating it ever got to people, ignoring the few times it did get around 1.0. Not only that, but one rating wasn't even due to WWE. It was a playoff game.
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