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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 9, 2010 23:00:50 GMT -5
just to play devil's advocate: lol, yeah "change of pace" thats the ticket what crowd is he "working" the impact zone? I'm not even going to list the amount of people that are bigger "names in the business" than RVD if "solid wrestler" is the best you can come up with to describe your world champ. , well .....[/quote]
RVD is a recognizable name who can still perform in front of a crowd, and have them be into the match, so um... yeah don't know what you're getting at with this argument. Hey, I would enjoy Styles or Joe as champ too, but they're not "bigger names" than RVD, so there you have it.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 9, 2010 23:15:21 GMT -5
It's not like TNA didn't just do their biggest American house last week for an RVD title defense or anything. I've already said in previous threads that RVD has lost a step. I thought so after the Styles PPV match. It also occurs to me that TNA has yet to actually let RVD do anything hardcore where he can truly bust out his arsenal. The other night was the first time in TNA that he's even done a Van Daminator. I'd like to see a wild brawl with Abyss so he could use a Van Terminator, provided he can still do it.
What's odd about RVD is that for "Mr. PPV" he seems to have better matches on free TV. The past few months alone:
--RVD/Jeff vs. Beer Money on Impact, very good match. --RVD vs. Hardy, #1 contender, very good match. --RVD vs. Styles, title win on same show, good match. --RVD vs. Joe last night, very good match.
Here is some flat out truth: Even though he's lost a step Van Dam is easily the best world champion in the major promotions. I mean right now WWE has the Human Jar of Mayonaise with the WWE title, as well as a glorified midget with the World title. I just wish TNA would feature him more. The past month on TV he has barely been around, only wrestling the one match with Joe.
Oh, and am I the only one who liked his last WWE PPV match against Orton? One of Orton's more tolerable efforts.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 9, 2010 23:22:48 GMT -5
It's not like TNA didn't just do their biggest American house last week for an RVD title defense or anything. I've already said in previous threads that RVD has lost a step. I thought so after the Styles PPV match. It also occurs to me that TNA has yet to actually let RVD do anything hardcore where he can truly bust out his arsenal. The other night was the first time in TNA that he's even done a Van Daminator. I'd like to see a wild brawl with Abyss so he could use a Van Terminator, provided he can still do it. What's odd about RVD is that for "Mr. PPV" he seems to have better matches on free TV. The past few months alone: --RVD/Jeff vs. Beer Money on Impact, very good match. --RVD vs. Hardy, #1 contender, very good match. --RVD vs. Styles, title win on same show, good match. --RVD vs. Joe last night, very good match. Here is some flat out truth: Even though he's lost a step Van Dam is easily the best world champion in the major promotions. I mean right now WWE has the Human Jar of Mayonaise with the WWE title, as well as a glorified midget with the World title. I just wish TNA would feature him more. The past month on TV he has barely been around, only wrestling the one match with Joe. Oh, and am I the only one who liked his last WWE PPV match against Orton? One of Orton's more tolerable efforts. Every match you listed was enjoyable, and the crowd seemed to be into the action. And I do have to give you credit, I'd take RVD over Rey or Sheamus as champion any day. I will say this, since RVD has been on TNA TV, I've become more interested in watching the product, and wasn't that the point.
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Post by The OP on Jul 9, 2010 23:26:24 GMT -5
I have this weird thing with RVD where I like the guy but I get kinda bored watching him. It's like I'd rather share a bowl of... cereal with the guy than watch him wrestle.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 10, 2010 0:51:52 GMT -5
I have this weird thing with RVD where I like the guy but I get kinda bored watching him. It's like I'd rather share a bowl of... cereal with the guy than watch him wrestle. I wouldn't mind enjoying a bowl of Wheedies (sp?) with him too, while we enjoy some of his best matches
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Post by slashandburn on Jul 10, 2010 2:02:26 GMT -5
It's not like TNA didn't just do their biggest American house last week for an RVD title defense or anything. I've already said in previous threads that RVD has lost a step. I thought so after the Styles PPV match. It also occurs to me that TNA has yet to actually let RVD do anything hardcore where he can truly bust out his arsenal. The other night was the first time in TNA that he's even done a Van Daminator. I'd like to see a wild brawl with Abyss so he could use a Van Terminator, provided he can still do it. What's odd about RVD is that for "Mr. PPV" he seems to have better matches on free TV. The past few months alone: --RVD/Jeff vs. Beer Money on Impact, very good match. --RVD vs. Hardy, #1 contender, very good match. --RVD vs. Styles, title win on same show, good match. --RVD vs. Joe last night, very good match. Here is some flat out truth: Even though he's lost a step Van Dam is easily the best world champion in the major promotions. I mean right now WWE has the Human Jar of Mayonaise with the WWE title, as well as a glorified midget with the World title. I just wish TNA would feature him more. The past month on TV he has barely been around, only wrestling the one match with Joe. Oh, and am I the only one who liked his last WWE PPV match against Orton? One of Orton's more tolerable efforts. This, this, this, a billion times this. How quickly people forget the good matches he's had. I don't think anyone here will dispute the fact that RVD has lost a step in recent years but this isn't breaking news. RVD had to slow down his style in WWE after he got told off for stiffing people in his first couple of matches. Did people expect him to be the RVD of 1996? That was a decade and a half ago, people's styles change as they get older. Shawn Michaels slowed his style down drastically after his four-year absence, and still had great matches. Jesus Christ, people think RVD does the same few moves now, look at HBK from 2002 onwards. Kip up, punches, inverted atomic drop, scoop-slam, elbow drop, superkick setup. The point is you can't expect him to go out and have a five star match every night. He's had consistently good to great matches, and the match with Joe was no exception, aside from the sloppy finish. And for the record, I'll take a "broken down" RVD over the Mexican midget underdog who wins every match or Sheamus, who, while showing promise, is in way over his head.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 10, 2010 22:53:30 GMT -5
First of all RVD is NOT a WWE reject. He was never fired from the WWE or released. He lefted the WWE when his contract was up and took two years off from wrestling because he was burned out from wrestling just like Chris Jericho. The WWE had a new deal for him and wanted him to say. If he was such a reject then why did the WWE have him show up and squash Santino on a raw and be in the Royal Rumble as a cameo? The other reason he didn't resign was to be with his wife who had cancer. You find it that hard to swallow as a long time TNA fan to have RVD as champion? You honestly think he out of all former champion in TNA history is devaluing the title? How is he devaluing the title when he is one of the most popular wrestlers in TNA and in wrestling history. There was never a time since 97 where RVD was not major over as a face. Now you tell me how he any worst then Mick Foley last year. Or how about Ron Killings who is nothing more then a midcarder else where in his career and was a WWE cast off once before TNA gave him the belt. What about the founder himself Jeff Jarrett. He think he was that creatable of a champion when chanted him to drop the title? There been far worst champions in TNA. RVD as champion was a good move but they hot shoot it to him which I don't agree with. But making him champion wasn't a bad move. None of his matches where what I call bad. RVD may not be the guy he was 5 years ago but there been guys his age look far worst. Not saying that guys like Joe and Styles shouldn't be champion. They should but TNA made the move to draw in the fans because they know he had a huge following. And because of the legal troubles Jeff Hardy is dealing with. They basicly the reason why he wasn't made champion. you're taking way too much offense to what I was saying, I'm not going get argue why RVD shouldn't be champ, it comes down to your opinion verse mine, I believe history shows and will continue to show why my opinion is correct BTW I'm being a smartass so again no offense I don't see how your opinion is correct because you think RVD devalues a title. You forget you DON'T have to be the worlds greatest wrestler to be a good champion. If history tault us anything. See Hogan or Cena, that work rate isn't everything. RVD is really one of the best champions why? Because he is very over. He is one of the top acts TNA has. He matches are not terrible. RVD works the crowd better then anybody in TNA. If you can get the whole crowd doing your pose and say ROB VAN DAM everytime he comes out. That mean he doing his job to perfection as a face. That mean he doing his job as champion. Being over with the fans. No matter where TNA is RVD has a mastive following. I can tell you as a fan who been to fan interaction this year in St. Louis the one of few times TNA been on the road for a PPV. Two days before RVD became champion. This guy had one of the biggest lines at fan interaction. That including signing at the same time as then champion Styles. Not only was it the biggest line but the most vocal. Everytime they said anything about RVD or the line. There would be a RVD chant.
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Post by Peeetah on Jul 11, 2010 12:28:33 GMT -5
I didn't see anything wrong with the match, I enjoyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 18:37:43 GMT -5
RVD matches make me sleepy. I'm sure stoners and ECW die hards still enjoy his matches, but I can't get behind this guy as a champion.
I still say he should drop the title to Alex Shelly and fued with the MCMG's who spend more time arguing over who should be the world champ. Sabin or Shelly with Van Dam constantly trying to interject.
3-Way at the PPV for the final match in a Xscape the Cage match for the world title.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 11, 2010 23:11:56 GMT -5
I'll agree that RVD isn't as good in-ring as he was a decade ago, but I really don't even think in-ring action is that much of his appeal anymore. I think these days, RVD is 75% character/personality, and 25% exciting wrestler. Don't get me wrong I do still think he's very solid in the ring in terms of knowing the basics, but that "unique flashiness" that he had back in the original ECW has probably faded -- or simply isn't unique anymore.
I am still an RVD fan, although I was an original ECW fan so I probably have some bias. Plus the truth is, the stoner gimmick actually is a fairly "alternative" gimmick when you think about it. In modern era WWE, we are not going to see a character who makes 420 references and all that. Having RVD as it's top guy is actually one of the few things TNA can say is in fact going against the mainstream.
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Post by mrsocko on Jul 12, 2010 15:25:27 GMT -5
So what has RVD actually done since coming into TNA? He practically had the title handed to him, he had no build up and has not had any feuds. All of his matches have been disappointing and he’s doing the same spots he was doing over a decade ago, only he can’t pull them off as well as he did.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 12, 2010 15:39:49 GMT -5
So what has RVD actually done since coming into TNA? He practically had the title handed to him, he had no build up and has not had any feuds. All of his matches have been disappointing and he’s doing the same spots he was doing over a decade ago, only he can’t pull them off as well as he did. Yet he's still over as hell-o kitties, hhhmmm he must be doing "politikz" with not just the locker room, but with the audience too. I agree RVD needs a feud, and not just title defense after title defense, but that's hardly his fault. I admit that he doesn't NEED the title, but think in a wrestling COMPANY perspective; super-over, former-world champ, face, that can have a good match with anyone, and is well-known with the casual fans, or A.J. Styles. I'm not belittling Styles, but the whole reason guys like RVD, Hardy, Anderson, Hogan, etc. were brought in was to snag up some more casual fans. Unfortunately this hasn't been working the way they wanted, but to say that RVD as the champ is the problem is short-sighted.
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