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Post by slickster on Jun 30, 2010 10:03:45 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that TNA shouldn't treat RVD/Joe as a big deal. It's their job to make you want to see a match, so what's the point of them throwing away the match with no buildup or for no reason, when they could have made something special of it? Well, since it hasn't happen, it's not as clear cut to say no build up or reason for it. That's facetious. There's maybe a week of free TV buildup for this match (assuming they hype the hell out of it). PPVs get FOUR WEEKS of hype and buildup. You can't reasonably expect casual fans to drop everything and watch Impact on one week of buildup.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 30, 2010 10:06:12 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here is arguing that a ladder match and RVD/Joe on Impact is a bad thing when it comes to wrestling. It's just the random nature of this booking. When it comes to Doug Williams, isn't he the champion? Why is he allowing terms of a match to be dictated to him by a glorified jobber like Brian Kendrick, especially after beating Kendrick at the last PPV? That's a pet peeve of mine with both WWE and TNA, challengers with seemingly zero power dictating PPV match terms to the champion. The champ controls the belt and in theory should control the way it is defended. If it had been framed a different way I wouldn't have a problem with it, such as Williams saying "I'm not afraid of you, Kendrick. I can beat you at your own game, the Ultimate X match." Instead it is Kendrick saying "We're going to do this, this, and this at the PPV."
I'm glad someone mentioned Rock/Austin. They had one silly PPV match in Dec. 1997 with the entire Nation running in, then Austin tossed the IC belt in the river the next night. After that, they didn't meet or touch in a 1 on 1 match until WM 15 in 1999, aside from a screwy DQ finish on Raw the night after Survivor Series 98 (which whetted the appetite to see it again with an actual finish).
Flair and Steamboat is a strange case since those guys were longtime rivals anyway, dating back to the 70s. In 1989 it wasn't like these guys facing each other was unique, and even then the first 1 on 1 match was at Chi Town Rumble.
Dreamer/Raven? Different sort of deal. Raven was a character created specifically to feud with Dreamer, and since ECW had no PPVs back in 1995 there was no point in holding the match off. It was a rivalry, not a dream match.
RVD vs. Jerry Lynn was a rivalry, not a dream match. RVD vs. Taz circa 1999 was a dream match of sorts, though it never really came to fruition in a money drawing way due to Taz leaving.
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Post by poi zen rana on Jun 30, 2010 10:13:59 GMT -5
As far as why Williams would allow the challenger to dictate rules of the match that is easily explained by the fact that Kendrick challenges him and Williams' pride is so great he accepts Kendrick's challenge. Not because he has to.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Jun 30, 2010 10:45:45 GMT -5
I love the armchair quarterback mentality of this board sometimes. Joe and RVD on a cable television channel that I pay for monthly already... why yes. That makes me thrilled that I won't have to pay to watch it on Pay Per View. I want TNA to survive and all, but... getting matches like that for free is more important to me, the fan. Not me, the guy who pretends to know how to run a pro-wrestling company. Agreed. I'd like everyone who says "they're giving this match away for free" to read my cable bill at the end of the month. This time, I'll be taking off the "wrestling promoter" hat that everyone else has strapped on and I'm going to sit back & enjoy Joe/RVD. And I'm not going to bitch for 1 second that it'll be on "free" TV.
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Post by Celgress on Jun 30, 2010 11:23:23 GMT -5
RVD defeated Samoa Joe in what was said to be an awesome match with a rollup. The ECW guys appeared in the crowd during the match. After the match, Joe gave the ref a Muscle Buster Why? I seriously would have paid to see this but, you hotshot it onto Impact. Same here, another first time dream match down the drain: TNA - "we are squandered opportunities"
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Post by sabu on Jun 30, 2010 15:06:25 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing the RVD Joe match. I also enjoy wrestling shows that don't have their wrestlers carrying kegs and preforming other stupid human tricks.
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Post by joeverfield on Jun 30, 2010 15:47:31 GMT -5
TNA's booking really sucks. I don't care about wins and losses necessarily, but giving away RVD/Joe for free with no build-up is idiotic. I mean, it is not exactly Hogan/Andre circa 1987, but geez, at least promote the damn match weeks in advance or save it for a PPV. Seriously, if any company should go back to the "80's WWF" weekly episode format, it's TNA. Just have squash matches and promos every week leading up to the PPV. They'll probably have commercials for it when July 8th gets closer. Don't blow your anger wad so soon yet champ. But I can see where you're coming from. They have absolutely wasted Joe this year so far. This guy is just money and its a shame this amateur hour company cannot get it right! If they wanted to this, give the fans a good 5-10 sample and have a wacky ending and build to a PPV. Hell they could keep trying to have matches that get ruined and build to REALLY BIG PPV match. But nope, lets waste Joe on this really poor looking ECW rehash stable.
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Post by josh on Jun 30, 2010 18:28:59 GMT -5
Joe seems to be on a slow burn back to the top.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 30, 2010 23:35:15 GMT -5
Spike pays TNA a flat fee for Impact. TNA draws extra money from PPVs and house shows. If you run a guaranteed money match like RVD-Joe on Impact, you will not make any extra money off it. Also, it prevents you from doing the match on PPV and getting fan interest because they've already seen it for free. With Joe-RVD, TNA had a potential BFG-worthy main event and they pissed it away for no money. Can't you see that if TNA keeps throwing money away like this then they will go out of business and we probably won't see RVD, Sting, etc. on TV ever again? Again, this is what WCW did: they wasted Hogan-Goldberg on Nitro instead of selling out Starrcade with it. They wasted Hogan vs. Hart on Nitro, as well as Hogan/Hart vs. Blade Runners. The next year, they ran Sting-Goldberg as a bonus match at Havoc 1999 instead of headlining Starrcade 1999 with it. Not to mention also the first Goldberg vs. Sting happen on Nitro the day after Fall Brawl in 98. When Goldberg was undefeated and Sting was the franchise. Starcade 98 could have been a lot bigger if it was Sting vs. Goldberg for the first time. Intead of Goldberg vs. Nash which yes it was there first time but Sting is more popular and a proven can draw. What made it lame is how the event was booked. Sting is in War Games where the winner gets a title shot. Even though while the match happens. Sting is anounced that he is getting a shot tomorrow night. So it make it pointless for Sting to be in War Games when he already as a shot the next night. I don't think anyone here is arguing that a ladder match and RVD/Joe on Impact is a bad thing when it comes to wrestling. It's just the random nature of this booking. When it comes to Doug Williams, isn't he the champion? Why is he allowing terms of a match to be dictated to him by a glorified jobber like Brian Kendrick, especially after beating Kendrick at the last PPV? That's a pet peeve of mine with both WWE and TNA, challengers with seemingly zero power dictating PPV match terms to the champion. The champ controls the belt and in theory should control the way it is defended. If it had been framed a different way I wouldn't have a problem with it, such as Williams saying "I'm not afraid of you, Kendrick. I can beat you at your own game, the Ultimate X match." Instead it is Kendrick saying "We're going to do this, this, and this at the PPV." I'm glad someone mentioned Rock/Austin. They had one silly PPV match in Dec. 1997 with the entire Nation running in, then Austin tossed the IC belt in the river the next night. After that, they didn't meet or touch in a 1 on 1 match until WM 15 in 1999, aside from a screwy DQ finish on Raw the night after Survivor Series 98 (which whetted the appetite to see it again with an actual finish). Flair and Steamboat is a strange case since those guys were longtime rivals anyway, dating back to the 70s. In 1989 it wasn't like these guys facing each other was unique, and even then the first 1 on 1 match was at Chi Town Rumble. Dreamer/Raven? Different sort of deal. Raven was a character created specifically to feud with Dreamer, and since ECW had no PPVs back in 1995 there was no point in holding the match off. It was a rivalry, not a dream match. RVD vs. Jerry Lynn was a rivalry, not a dream match. RVD vs. Taz circa 1999 was a dream match of sorts, though it never really came to fruition in a money drawing way due to Taz leaving. BUt RVD vs Lynn was on PPV. Not a dream match true because Lynn wasn't coming in with a huge following. It became bigger after the first PPV match became a classic.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jul 1, 2010 0:03:31 GMT -5
The idea that Raven/Dreamer was a dream match cracks me up to no end.
Can ANYONE tell me that in 1994/1995 when Raven debuted in ECW that people were realistically going "Oh man I would love to see a Tommy Dreamer/Johnny Polo feud!!!"
Hell I don't think RVD/Joe is a dream feud either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 0:14:13 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea where the RVD/Joe is a dream match came from me just seems random
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Post by jimfear on Jul 3, 2010 16:37:17 GMT -5
It is damn sure a dream match in my mind!
Now, I'm officially pumped for this week's impact and I'll still buy the PPV down the line if the two start to feud.
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