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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 12, 2010 23:16:11 GMT -5
Because you demanded it.
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Post by willyoustop on Jun 12, 2010 23:17:48 GMT -5
You can tell Daniel Bryan to not do it again, and he sure would have complied if it meant keeping his job in the big-time, WWE, his life-long dream. But to outright fire him is extremely excessive & harsh. Especially considering his star power, talent, as well as how much WWE fans love him (to warrant this response) He did not intentionally do anything wrong, especially with what wrestlers have done preceding him, even just last year. Big Show threw John Cena through a glass searchlight. Batista almost hit John Cena with a car. In a world where people get hit with lead pipes, sledgehammers, tables ladders and chairs with impunity, Daniel Bryan only did what was right and probably what was told by upper WWE management. The difference with the stuff you mentioned (besides, again, no civilians being involved) is that there's a element of fantasy to all of it. Death by strangulation, especially in light of Benoit, is too realistic to use a one-off shock moment on a family show. It's sort of like how slasher movies don't get nearly the same level of disgust that movies like The Devil's Rejects and Saw do. As long as you keep the veneer that it's fantasy, then it doesn't creep into the territory of being uncomfortable or tasteless. Did Cena choke out Umaga with the ring ropes prior to or after the Benoit incident?
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 12, 2010 23:17:48 GMT -5
The amount of threads dedicated to this subject matter is staggering.
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Post by Houdini of Hardcore on Jun 12, 2010 23:20:00 GMT -5
This>Thread 69
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 12, 2010 23:20:51 GMT -5
Did Cena choke out Umaga with the ring ropes prior to or after the Benoit incident? Nope. That happened at the 2007 Royal Rumble, and the Benoit incident didn't happen until June of that year.
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Post by celticjobber on Jun 12, 2010 23:20:43 GMT -5
On another forum I go to, I saw that in today's Wrestling Observer audio update, Dave Meltzer said
"Trying to think logically about this situation is a flaw, because there's no logic to this whatsoever"
"there is a situation going on inside that company, with someone who is a much bigger talent than Bryan Danielson, that is so much more insane than this, that it would boggle your mind"
I wonder whats happening that's so insane, and who's involved? I hate it when Dave gets so cryptic...
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Post by Schemer on Jun 12, 2010 23:21:19 GMT -5
The difference with the stuff you mentioned (besides, again, no civilians being involved) is that there's a element of fantasy to all of it. Death by strangulation, especially in light of Benoit, is too realistic to use a one-off shock moment on a family show. It's sort of like how slasher movies don't get nearly the same level of disgust that movies like The Devil's Rejects and Saw do. As long as you keep the veneer that it's fantasy, then it doesn't creep into the territory of being uncomfortable or tasteless. Did Cena choke out Umaga with the ring ropes prior to or after the Benoit incident? Just prior... January to June...
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 12, 2010 23:23:11 GMT -5
Ok, wanted to post this before the last thread got closed - Again, why aren't people getting this. IT WASN'T THE WWE's CALL. They obviously didn't want to do this. If they could get away with a warning or apology or creative editing then they would have. But somebody from outside the company wanted Bryan fired for it. There only other option was to either piss off or possibly lose a multi-million dollar sponsor. Honestly, we really have no idea WHO wanted WHAT right now. We've heard lots of speculation, from some usually good sources and some usually not so good sources. It would certainly seem most feasible that you're right here as to why this happened, but we really KNOW nothing right now other than he's fired. I agree, and if I'm wrong I apoligize. But so far every pro wrestling source that's considered reliable (or as reliable as an IWC reporter can be) has pretty much gone with the outside pressure story. None of them have even remotely hinted at any other kind of reason behind his termination or if the WWE had other options on handling the situation. I just find sitting here accusing the WWE of stuff that we have no evidence or even the slightest of indication might have happened is annoying and pointless.
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Post by willyoustop on Jun 12, 2010 23:23:40 GMT -5
Thanks to both of you for the answer.
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 12, 2010 23:23:40 GMT -5
On another forum I go to, I saw that in today's Wrestling Observer audio update, Dave Meltzer said "Trying to think logically about this situation is a flaw, because there's no logic to this whatsoever" " there is a situation going on inside that company, with someone who is a much bigger talent than Bryan Danielson, that is so much more insane than this, that it would boggle your mind" I wonder whats happening that's so insane, and who's involved? I hate it when Dave gets so cryptic... I can't even begin to think what situation could be more insane than this. This one is high on the cake-taking list. Something that tops this is a must see. Out with it, Meltzer!
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Post by Raul on Jun 12, 2010 23:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 12, 2010 23:24:07 GMT -5
The amount of threads dedicated to this subject matter is staggering. Especially when everybody been making the same statements all day. I see you guys tomorrow on All purpose Bryan Danielson thread number 4. I leave this parting song:
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Post by The Big J-Sizzle on Jun 12, 2010 23:25:04 GMT -5
Ok. Just got off work. Sorry if this has been asked 100 times by now, but anything new since about 3 o'clock this afternoon.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jun 12, 2010 23:25:31 GMT -5
On another forum I go to, I saw that in today's Wrestling Observer audio update, Dave Meltzer said "Trying to think logically about this situation is a flaw, because there's no logic to this whatsoever" " there is a situation going on inside that company, with someone who is a much bigger talent than Bryan Danielson, that is so much more insane than this, that it would boggle your mind" I wonder whats happening that's so insane, and who's involved? I hate it when Dave gets so cryptic... I can't even begin to think what situation could be more insane than this. This one is high on the cake-taking list. Something that tops this is a must see. Out with it, Meltzer! PLEASE BE HHH PLEASE BE HHH PLEASE BE HHH PLEASE BE HHH PLEASE BE HHH The amount of hate that if that's the case, will be amazing, this board will explode, and then implode, and then again explode 65 times
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 23:25:50 GMT -5
I may as well post in this one as well. So let me say that I love the Bryan Danielson Deadliest Warrior sig. Bravo!
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Post by darthpipes on Jun 12, 2010 23:25:59 GMT -5
I just read about this. Are you ****ing me with firing Daniels?
This ranks as easily one of the dumbest decsions the WWE ever made. I knew Vince would find a way to mess up one of his best angles in years and low and behold, he managed to do it in under a week.
I never associated Roberts getting choked out (now another censored WWE moment) with Benoit. As pointed out, John Cena choked out Umaga with a cable three years ago. When they have guys like HHH and Shawn Michaels using the crossface, I think of Benoit.
Absolutely stupid.
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Post by Raul on Jun 12, 2010 23:26:37 GMT -5
Ok. Just got off work. Sorry if this has been asked 100 times by now, but anything new since about 3 o'clock this afternoon. Not really, except Mattel and HHH made a plan to get rid of Danielson.
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Post by willyoustop on Jun 12, 2010 23:26:34 GMT -5
Ok, wanted to post this before the last thread got closed - Honestly, we really have no idea WHO wanted WHAT right now. We've heard lots of speculation, from some usually good sources and some usually not so good sources. It would certainly seem most feasible that you're right here as to why this happened, but we really KNOW nothing right now other than he's fired. I agree, and if I'm wrong I apoligize. But so far every pro wrestling source that's considered reliable (or as reliable as an IWC reporter can be) has pretty much gone with the outside pressure story. None of them have even remotely hinted at any other kind of reason behind his termination or if the WWE had other options on handling the situation. I just find sitting here accusing the WWE of stuff that we have no evidence or even the slightest of indication might have happened is annoying and pointless. That's more than fair. I think more people here are just pissed that they let him go than anything else. I'd just like to see what these outside influences do to find what inconsistencies they would have in this matter (such as toys from other violent sources, etc).
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 12, 2010 23:28:53 GMT -5
Ok. Just got off work. Sorry if this has been asked 100 times by now, but anything new since about 3 o'clock this afternoon. Not really, except Mattel and HHH made a plan to get rid of Danielson. Buzz Lightyear thought Danielson was a threat to his sales and got him fired.
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Post by Barrock on Jun 12, 2010 23:29:46 GMT -5
I don't think Meltzer was implying that someone insane did this to Bryan. I think he was implying that there is something going on within the WWE right now that we don't know about that would should be way bigger than this.
Why he doesn't fess up, I dunno.
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