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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Jun 13, 2010 12:47:38 GMT -5
Also Mattel is planning to release action figures for the NXT Season participants except for Daniel Bryan. A Michael Cole figure will be used in his place. Really? I heard that they are releasing a Daniel Bryan doll but will be moving the Warning: choking hazard to the front of the packaging and bolding it.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jun 13, 2010 12:48:15 GMT -5
"TheRealMorrison Be different... but don't rock the boat!"
OH GOD OBVIOUSLY HE'S REFERRING TO DANIELSON!!!!
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Post by VINTAGE GRIDLOCK! on Jun 13, 2010 12:48:28 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history.
The result was a tie.
Thanks, i'm here all week.
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Post by elryc on Jun 13, 2010 12:49:54 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history. The result was a tie. Thanks, i'm here all week.
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Post by VINTAGE GRIDLOCK! on Jun 13, 2010 12:51:20 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history. The result was a tie. Thanks, i'm here all week.
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Post by elryc on Jun 13, 2010 12:52:08 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Mighty Mouth on Jun 13, 2010 12:52:38 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history. The result was a tie. Thanks, i'm here all week. I LOL'd
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Post by Alex Shelley on Jun 13, 2010 12:52:58 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history. The result was a tie. Thanks, i'm here all week.
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Post by VINTAGE GRIDLOCK! on Jun 13, 2010 12:58:30 GMT -5
Recently, there was an internal poll for WWE employees asking what they thought was the most offensive event in recent WWE TV history. The result was a tie. Thanks, i'm here all week. POTY
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 13, 2010 13:04:29 GMT -5
*Insert 'not sure if serious' picture here*
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Post by erik316wttn on Jun 13, 2010 13:17:10 GMT -5
I'm relieved that he'll probably be hired back once the whole situation cools down a bit. Hopefully while this NXT angle is still hot.
I wonder if they'll add an 8th, perhaps someone from Season 2. Kaval?
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Post by Schemer on Jun 13, 2010 13:20:01 GMT -5
OK, this may get lost in the shuffle, but someone has to explain this. I am going to try to explain this and help some of you guys understand the business side of this decision, because this is obviously not a work, as much as we want it to be. I am working on an MBA, I have spent my entire academic career in Business, and I know the importance Public Relations plays into all of this. If you build a business plan and a company image around family friendly entertainment as opposed to reprehensible acts and violence, you are much, much more likely to attract the support of larger sponsors. If anyone remembers the PR associated with the Attitude Era (Foley does an excellent job explaining it in his second book), while fans were coming in droves, and merchandise/PPV was through the roof, their PR image wasn't worth s***. They had Parent's TV Councils after them and everything. To sponsor WWE/F at the time was a huge risk. Millions see your product, but in the business world your reputation plummets. Wrestling was always viewed as low brow, low class entertainment, and in the stuffy, fuddy duddy, politically correct business world, sponsoring pro wrestling was basically stooping to their level, in the eyes of those businesses. Let's now fast forward to this PG era. As an advertiser, one of your major demographics should always be children. Kids see something, they nag their parents, the parents make the purchase, and bam, revenue for the company. Having said this, you could imagine being an advertiser in this current era, where not only has the older demographic been semi-retained, but you also have this entirely new market of kids and families. Anyone who has been going to live shows for sometime now can agree that the landscape of the audience is vastly different than 5-10 years ago. That right there is an advertiser's dream: not only do the kids watch the show, but so do the parents, and hence it's a goldmine of revenue. Now let's look at last week. For the past few years all has been well in the land of the WWE. They have undergone, from a business standpoint, a highly successful transition into a much larger realm of viewers. They've introduced cartoony characters that are over (Hornswoggle), rebranded once edgy characters into kid friendly cash cows (Cena, DX), and have built up a positive brand image through the guest host concept, showing the world that WWE can transverse into other forms of entertainment. So now out of nowhere, here you are, a VP of Advertising/PR for a large company sponsoring the WWE, watching Raw, and here comes this brutal assault. There's violence, destruction, and assaults on hapless employees. During this melee you see a man visibly being strangled, and the image of the company being spat on and degraded. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Well it certainly isn't "man this is awesome" or "this feels like 1999 all over again" or "nWo." The first thing this person is thinking about is their target audience, in this case the kids watching the show. And given the media's negative portrayal towards simulated violence causing kids to mimic these acts in the real world, you are immediately put off. Do you really want to move forward with a company that employs such wreckless people (kayfabe POV)? So what do you do? Well you put in a call to the chairman, and give him an ultimatum: either appropriately address the situation, or me, my advertising, my merchandise, and my millions of dollars are out the door, and we aren't looking back. If you're Vince, what do you do? You can't always view this product from the viewpoint of a fan. Sure we all become selfish and wish that things played out and we can go back to the glory days, but there is so much more to the product than simply being a fan. There's a much larger corporate side of things that have more pull than imaginable. I have to ask though... WWE was a company still aiming at children in 1991. I recall that year (it's been one that's always stuck in my mind) Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth's love story being ready to culminate, but being terrorized by Jake Roberts. On an episode of Superstars, Jake's cobra bit Savage's arm... WWE had a few of the same sponsors at that time (slim jim being one I recall)... So, what's worse? Why would choking be traumatic for a child who watches wrestling? Kids are so desensitized these days to sex and violence, much more than we were as kids. I have a hard time seeing that as a legit reason to fire somebody. It's just very curious to me if this is not a work. Surely he would've been warned with a suspension or a fine rather than flat out fire him if it were a real issue.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 13, 2010 13:20:55 GMT -5
Dear God, Bryan is cloning himself! And Alpha Bryan Danielson and his clones are going to join forces with Gabe and open their own promotion, AmericanDragonGate... ...And the smarks will STILL complain! ;D
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Post by CM Dazz on Jun 13, 2010 13:21:55 GMT -5
I got a phone call from a buddy I went to broadcasting school with about an hour ago. he is currently working as an intern with WWE production. Apparently, the Danielson firing is legit. Bryan was outside smoking a cigarette with Randy Orton after RAW went off the air Monday night. When he was finished, he tossed his cigarette on the ground, and it rolled into a pile of oily rags from one of the production trucks. It started a fire and the entire trailer burnt down. At first it was no big deal, and seen as just an accident. By Thursday afternoon, it was realized that inside the trailer was long lost footage of Vince's dad and grandfather. Obviously, Vince and the rest of the McMahon family (HHH included) were extremely upset that the footage was lost. The plan was to use the footage at the next time they were in NYC at MSG. After a day full of internal debates on what to do with Danielson, and to a lesser extent Orton, it was determined that Danielson had to be let go. Orton is on an extremely slippery slope right now as well since Vince hates smoking, and it is believed that he got Danielson, previously a non smoker to start. The word is that the tiniest misstep by Orton, and he's gone too.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 13, 2010 13:23:54 GMT -5
I got a phone call from a buddy I went to broadcasting school with about an hour ago. he is currently working as an intern with WWE production. Apparently, the Danielson firing is legit. Bryan was outside smoking a cigarette with Randy Orton after RAW went off the air Monday night. When he was finished, he tossed his cigarette on the ground, and it rolled into a pile of oily rags from one of the production trucks. It started a fire and the entire trailer burnt down. At first it was no big deal, and seen as just an accident. By Thursday afternoon, it was realized that inside the trailer was long lost footage of Vince's dad and grandfather. Obviously, Vince and the rest of the McMahon family (HHH included) were extremely upset that the footage was lost. The plan was to use the footage at the next time they were in NYC at MSG. After a day full of internal debates on what to do with Danielson, and to a lesser extent Orton, it was determined that Danielson had to be let go. Orton is on an extremely slippery slope right now as well since Vince hates smoking, and it is believed that he got Danielson, previously a non smoker to start. The word is that the tiniest misstep by Orton, and he'll be made World's Champion again. Fixed for historical accuracy.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 13, 2010 13:25:19 GMT -5
and there's not going to be because he didn't violate the wellness policy Actually that's wrong. I happen to run another Forum and one of my Moderators happens to be a WWE Shareholder. He just notified me that the Shareholders are notified on ALL WWE talent that are fired, whether they failed Wellness Policy or not. It's just like the Corporate page. And...still no mention of Danielson being fired. Also the one thing that I have a problem with. If Danielson did get fired, why the news of him accepting indy dates? Doesn't he have to sit-through a "no-compete" clause? Matt Hardy not only continued to book himself in independent shows after he knew that he was coming back to the WWE, and he even kept those bookings after his return. One of the easiest matches from that period to find is a pretty good match that he had with AJ Styles for IWC. If it is a work, then there is a precedent, though the opposite example would be Charlie Haas accepting bookings within a day of being released.
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Post by barley96 on Jun 13, 2010 13:26:05 GMT -5
I just read about this. Are you ****ing me with firing Daniels? This ranks as easily one of the dumbest decsions the WWE ever made. I knew Vince would find a way to mess up one of his best angles in years and low and behold, he managed to do it in under a week. I never associated Roberts getting choked out (now another censored WWE moment) with Benoit. As pointed out, John Cena choked out Umaga with a cable three years ago. When they have guys like HHH and Shawn Michaels using the crossface, I think of Benoit. Absolutely stupid. I thought Vince McMahon would at least wait until the next RAW to f*** up this angle.
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Post by GregP19 on Jun 13, 2010 13:27:13 GMT -5
"TheRealMorrison Be different... but don't rock the boat!" OH GOD OBVIOUSLY HE'S REFERRING TO DANIELSON!!!! KourtneyKardash tonight season premier of kourtney and khloe take miami season 2! it's on E! at 10 pm, 9pm central. who is going to watch? OMG ITS DEF A WORK!!!11!!!1
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Post by Piccolo on Jun 13, 2010 13:28:46 GMT -5
I got a phone call from a buddy I went to broadcasting school with about an hour ago. he is currently working as an intern with WWE production. Apparently, the Danielson firing is legit. Bryan was outside smoking a cigarette with Randy Orton after RAW went off the air Monday night. When he was finished, he tossed his cigarette on the ground, and it rolled into a pile of oily rags from one of the production trucks. It started a fire and the entire trailer burnt down. At first it was no big deal, and seen as just an accident. By Thursday afternoon, it was realized that inside the trailer was long lost footage of Vince's dad and grandfather. Obviously, Vince and the rest of the McMahon family (HHH included) were extremely upset that the footage was lost. The plan was to use the footage at the next time they were in NYC at MSG. After a day full of internal debates on what to do with Danielson, and to a lesser extent Orton, it was determined that Danielson had to be let go. Orton is on an extremely slippery slope right now as well since Vince hates smoking, and it is believed that he got Danielson, previously a non smoker to start. The word is that the tiniest misstep by Orton, and he's gone too. This is by far the best story I've heard so far. Original, well-written, somewhat believable and tugs at your heartstrings. Well done, sir!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 13:31:05 GMT -5
I just find it funny, if true, Danielson was fired for choking Roberts with his tie I mean considering the WWE presents a product where the goal is to beat your opponent into unconsciousness so you can pin him, tie choking I wouldn't have thought to be a problem Or is the E going to change things now to the point where everyone talks out their issues rather than fight in the ring
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