H-Fist
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Post by H-Fist on May 28, 2010 21:32:13 GMT -5
I'm going for "other." My main issue is that the PG direction of the product directly hurts the quality of the booking. Rather than telling stories that fit into a family friendly product, they try to tell inappropriate stories watered down to meaningless but appropriate trajectories. Either book the show in such a way that the content is appropriate as well as the storylines, or stop pretending that it's really family friendly behind a facade of cleaned-up language and blood and what have you.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on May 28, 2010 21:32:41 GMT -5
If anything, it's the Attitude Era that really foisted the "we don't need gimmicks, everyone should play variations on the same 'tough badass' persona with slightly different sets of catchphrases" idea onto us Dont agree with that, the fact that everyone was over during Attitude was alot due to nearly everyone had their own unique gimmick and catchphrases and props and that sort of thing. Was the same in the 80's golden era, everyone had something. Now, as was said earlier, everyone just has the same thing, mostly aggresive intense or douche bag heels vs plucky fun loving babyfaces.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 21:45:36 GMT -5
I voted for the blood clean up. Like others, I'm all for eliminating blood except in extreme circumstances i.e. feud enders and No Rules matches, but when you've got a good match going on and then everything just stops so the trainer can run in and patch one of the guys up it takes away from the match. As has been said already the only one that I can think of that didn't suffer was the Punk/Rey match and I'm relatively sure that's because Punk heard the boring chants start up and figured they need to get the crowd back fast.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 29, 2010 0:01:25 GMT -5
You know I get that they want to keep their product clean, but having breaks during a match really kills the flow of the match to an immense degree. I voted for that. same here. that and it pisses off the wrestlers too when it happens.
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Post by Son of a Pregnant Dog on May 29, 2010 1:28:10 GMT -5
Guest Hosts when they're nobodies promoting a show on USA that won't even be on the channel in six months, that's the worst.
I figure Hornswoggle would have had more votes. I guess it's because Santino's put in there too- and he's actually funny. Most of the time.
Stopping matches for blood ain't too bad to me, and I'm surprised it's the poll leader. It's almost like real sports! maybe.
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Post by itputsthelotion on May 29, 2010 1:56:23 GMT -5
I don't necessarily want more blood and violence I just want to see some intense matches and fights again.
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jamielowndes {N}
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 29, 2010 4:35:14 GMT -5
I like that theyre cleaning up blood. I just dont like that theyre stopping the match the instant that someone bleeds. Theyre obviously mimicking MMA and boxing, so they should mimic them properly by cleaning it when someone is actually in danger due to a cut of not being able to see.
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Post by Alex Shelley on May 29, 2010 4:37:34 GMT -5
I don't think they're trying to be like MMA and boxing. I think they're just trying to be family friendly.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on May 29, 2010 4:45:24 GMT -5
Blood clean up:To clarify,I dont need sex and blood to be entertained and I dont think pg means that something cant be complex,intense and smart(Edge-taker,Ortons character,Punk-Jeff) but it just pretty much completely takes me out of the match. Theres a world of difference between not wanting people to blade and going inside a ring and screwing up the flow of the match by cleaning up a dude for a few minutes.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on May 29, 2010 4:57:32 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me is stopping the match to clean up blood. If blood happens, let it happen, dammit. I can understand not having wrestlers blade, but unintentional blood should not stop a match. It's so f***ing unprofessional to me. Word. That is all.
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Post by Alex Shelley on May 29, 2010 5:05:09 GMT -5
Also, further on the difference between MMA/boxing and professional wrestling...
They're real. The goal in those is to watch two guys fight and one of them win.
Professional wrestling is about storytelling and theatrics. In theory, the goal is to manipulate the audience, getting them more and more excited throughout the match. The mentality a person has when watching wrestling is different than "real" fights, because regardless of how much insider knowledge they have, wrestling is presented as a show, not a fight. Stopping the match stops all momentum, and the wrestlers have to work to get the audience back to the level of excitement they were at already. The bar is essentially lowered back down to zero, and if the allotted time in the match is almost up, there's very little that can be done to get the audience back to the level of excitement they were already at.
I hope that made sense. It's 3 AM and I'm being insomnia'd, so I don't think my explaining skills are quite up to par at the moment.
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Post by Kris Kobain on May 29, 2010 5:17:59 GMT -5
Injury breaks & blood clean up Guest hosts
although if I didn't know the injury breaks and blood clean up were for the PG rating and were a casual viewer I would think that someone got legit hurt and the product would seem more real.
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Post by mrjl on May 29, 2010 6:20:42 GMT -5
I selected other. The number 1 thing wrong with this era. People assuming I miss the attitude era.
Number 2- I liked it when they had more titles.
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Post by Thynny Fat Ass on May 29, 2010 15:09:03 GMT -5
The fact that TNA is letting people bleed at will is actually giving them a little bit of an edge in that department.
And Santino and Hornswaggle are really the comic relief, and it bums me out that Santino is just used to foil the guest host, and isn't allowed to be the "undeserving champion" that he used to be.
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Post by Raja Lion on May 29, 2010 15:21:32 GMT -5
Voted for other and blood clean-up.
Other is a problem that started before PG started. It's the dilution of the product and the constant hot-shotting of angles and feuds. While this was rampant in the Attitude era, the difference was there were more (not all) compelling storylines, a feud for the ages (Austin-McMahon), and a roster that was capable of pulling off a hotshot.
Now, the roster is much more diluted. There is not nearly enough emphasis placed on character development at the low or mid-cards, and rarely are feuds allowed to develop any sort of drama outside of the main event. The main event scene itself has been stale for going on 5 years now, probably longer. The Attitude's era main event scene, while largely composed of the same guys, was able to evolve storyline wise and the writing was compelling enough so that the dilution was minimal + the overall quality of the main event scene was so stellar that little things were easier to give a pass to.
The stopping for a cut is absolutely ridiculous though. Wrestling is violent in nature and guys are going to get busted open from time to time. Even in boxing, they dont stop a fight due to a cut unless its really bad. They wait until the round is over before going to their corner.
The PG product could be much better if the writing was up to par. Quit hiring TV writers or JUST TV writers. Get some wrestling minds back there and put more emphasis on character and gimmick development. I want to invest in some of these guys, give me something compelling and reason to. You dont need blood and language to create a compelling storyline, but IMO, it does give it a bit more of a kick when done correctly.
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 29, 2010 15:37:56 GMT -5
Blood clean-up.
Hornswoggle.
Cena.
All in that order.
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Post by spagett on May 29, 2010 17:58:44 GMT -5
I am usually one of the biggest defenders of the Attitude era. It was what I grew up watching and I just remember it being incredibly exciting and I usually try to defend it where I can.One thing I think it did bring about is the one of the main things I hate about the Universe era. Where has the colour gone? The attitude era was about having more realistic gimmicks, it was refreshing after years of superhero babyfaces like Hogan, Sting and Warrior to have a seemingly down to earth "normal" guy like Austin be the hero. But now after over 10 years of it I'm sick of the normal realistic gimmicks most of the guys have. It has become bland and boring. I mean John Cena literally seems to just be himself on TV, and not with the volume turned way up. Does he even have a gimmick anymore? Therefore if they are going to be PG and kiddie friendly I say go all the way and bring back some of the more cartoony gimmicks. At least it would be more entertaining. I mean having a heel looking like this is is surely miles better than having the countless wrestlers of today who wrestle in black trunks and wear black T shirts over their trunks when delivering their scripted robotic promos. I just wish that some of the flamboyance and weird and wacky outfits of the 80's early 90's would come back.
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Post by luiscurse on May 29, 2010 18:07:07 GMT -5
I've selected other,
and by other I mean all of the above.
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Post by Aceorton on May 29, 2010 20:06:34 GMT -5
But what drives me insane is the use of branded terms like "universe" and "sports entertainment" being used exclusively. It sounds soulless, corporate, and takes me out of the action when I hear them from the commentators' mouths. THIS. I hadn't watched in forever until the night Bret Hart returned, and when he thanked the "WWE Universe," I wanted to throw up. Those terms are so contrived. You read the recaps at WWE.com and it's all in this cheesy, made-up language.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on May 29, 2010 20:14:04 GMT -5
None if it. I do not need raunch and blood to be entertained. Ditto. In fact I prefer to not have it.
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