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Post by primetime110 on Jun 3, 2010 14:24:31 GMT -5
Another Rey hate thread?! Jeez I should act a fool next time Edge loses and rip that wrestler with a thread everyday.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 3, 2010 14:24:49 GMT -5
Another Rey hate thread?! Jeez Well now that Mickie might be going to TNA, this section needs a new lightning rod.
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Jun 3, 2010 14:38:04 GMT -5
I guess we now know what Rey's whispering into his masked-fans ears at ringside every night:
REY-REY: Dude, you bought THIS mask? You should tell your parents to buy you another one like the mask I'm wearing tonight! See, you could've gotten this cool over-mask thingy if you had..."
::Rey gives his over-mask thingy to another fan with the same color mask he has on::
REY-REY: (whispers) Mo' money, mo' money!
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jun 3, 2010 14:49:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think the situation with Rey is worse than Cena or HHH. Rey busted his ass for years to get to where he's at now and is still one of the best workers in the company. HHH made his WCW debut in 94. Debuted in WWF in 95, and was prominently featured ever since. Took him 4 years to win his first world title in WWF, and he never looked back. Cena didn't even start training to wrestle until 2000, debuted in WWE in 2002, and won his first world title in 2004. Rey had already been wrestling for 7 years when he debuted in WCW in 96. Debuted in WWE in 2002. Didn't get a world title until 2006. Dude busted his ass for 17 years and finally got ONE title run. I think the fact that he usually wins his little midcard feuds is not really that big of a deal in comparison to what he probably deserves. Cena doesn't leave huge gashes in people's foreheads and spend months out of every year in rehab though. Its painfully obvious Rey's body is at least as busted up as Taker's. This is true, but Cena, HHH, and Taker are all consistently main eventing shows and winning titles, and they lose less than Mysterio. I mean, most people's biggest complaints about Rey (politic wise) is that he didn't want to job to Dolph Ziggler. Do you think that WWE would've even CONSIDERED that idea if it were Cena, HHH, or Taker? And since when has Rey been missing time every year so he could go to rehab? As far as I know he has one wellness violation and if he's to be believed he shouldn't have even been suspended because of that. It does suck that he keeps cutting people open with that damn knee brace, but that's hardly his fault. Look, I'm tired of Rey Mysterio winning all the time as much as the next guy, but I don't see how anybody can complain about that when Cena, HHH, and Taker have been doing it on a bigger scale for a longer period of time. I just think that WWE pushes Mysterio the way that they do because he's one of their biggest stars, but they don't want to give him the title because of the failure last time. I highly doubt it's because he's got any pull backstage.
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Post by Paco on Jun 3, 2010 14:52:31 GMT -5
The word "buries" is used way too loosely. Ask Punk if he got buried. He didn't. He simply lost the feud. He's the heel! He always wanted to lose his hair vs. Rey in the end (his dream match was him vs. Rey - Mask vs. Hair @ Mania).
The Ziggler stuff is being overblown too. There is only one time (in recent history) where Rey didn't wanna job: Night of Champions. And that's cause he had just regained the IC belt from Jericho 3 weeks earlier. Not because of Ziggler himself.
When Rey was given the belt at Mania, WWE wanted give the championship some prestige again (hence a WrestleMania match after 7 years of no IC title matches on the card). That included Rey getting a meaningful run that would restore some importance to the title. No more hot potato crap. Rey felt the same way, if not stronger, so he insisted to retain the title at NOC and WWE agreed. If WWE hadn't, Rey wouldn't have left NOC with the belt...simple as that.
So, NOC was too early. SummerSlam they went with Rey again. Third time's the charm right? As the time seemingly came for Rey to drop the belt (Sept. PPV), he got suspended. s*** happens. Well, WWE decided to go with a hot John Morrison as the new champ instead and transfer the Ziggler feud with him. Once again, JoMo wasn't gonna drop the belt after he just got it so Ziggler jobs again against him. You know the rest. Ziggler "choked" one too many times and the plug was pulled on his penciled-in title win...for the time being.
It ain't politics. It's the Lex Luger booking (choke one too many times...you're a bonafide loser). Zigs is getting built up again. He'll be fine. But, since the circumstances surrounding his aborted title win involve "Public Enemy No. 1" around here, all the scorn goes to Rey.
I highly doubt Punk or Ziggler feel they were "buried by Rey" like some of you insist they were.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 3, 2010 14:56:17 GMT -5
I actually like Rey better than I used to. Let's face it, at various points Rey Mysterio can be quite an annoying little creep. His entire post mask 1999-2000 run in WCW was X-Pac like on the annoying meter. But then he put the mask on and worked hard in his early WWE run and I liked him better.
Then he did the whole Eddie angle and that's what I just started to loathe the guy. I was bewildered that anyone would cheer for a guy who used his own son in a storyline, used the death of his best friend to get a main event push, etc. Add to it some of the worst world champion booking we've ever seen and I wished Rey would go away forever.
However, over time my feelings towards those angles waned and Rey had some solid feuds with Jericho and now Punk. I have no problem with Punk losing his hair. Believe me, Rey needs the mask a whole lot more than Punk needs his hair.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jun 3, 2010 15:49:19 GMT -5
I absolutely detest him as well. I wish he would just go to TNA already.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 15:57:27 GMT -5
We're going to see a lot more Mysterio folks so get use to it. With Taker gone and the Big Show and Swagger feud is likely finished, that'll make Rey Mysterio the number one babyface on SD and will be feuding against Swagger for the title. This also likely means that Mysterio will win the title on Summer Slam as well. I just hope it's a short run and drops it to Swagger in a month though. But really he's over with the crowd and is a merchindise machine.
As weird as it sounds but of how stale Mysterio is right now, him winning a world title and not having a crappy title reign with it will be surprisingly fresh. Plus better Summer Slam then Wrestlemania 27 or hotshotting it to Kofi or MVP or even Christian (needs bigger epic special feeling win).
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 3, 2010 15:57:42 GMT -5
How on earth did this "Ziggler was buried by Mysterio's politicing" idiocy get accepted as fact? It makes about as much sense as the "Punk only lost to THE UNDERTAKER because he has nuclear heatz" or "Tony Atlas was rehired because Mark Henry is fat and WWE wants someone to tell Mark not to eat so much".
We're talking about a guy whose shining career consisted of going from playing a male cheerleader to a guy who really loves to introduce himself to people during his matches. And is saddled with a name only marginally less stupid than McGillicuty. And has also been suspended for violating the Wellness Policy. And has done little to anything of note in the ~9 months since he stopped feuding with Rey. Do you really, really think Dolph was on the cusp of any sort of push?
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jun 3, 2010 16:00:27 GMT -5
Well now with hbk gone rey is arguable the best wrestler in the wwe right now.
But yeah it is a bit poor him going over pretty much everyone why couldnt they have done this when he was WHC?
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Jun 3, 2010 16:23:01 GMT -5
Remember a few years back when we were complaining about Rey being buried as opposed to doing the burying?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 16:31:19 GMT -5
I do think Rey puts on fantastic matches and has busted his ass over the years, but when you are busted up and hurting, you shouldn't be winning THAT often. When I said Rey is worse than Cena, I meant that Cena doesn't ask to go over people or control the outcome of the matches like Rey. Believe me, I used to be a fan during 2003-part of 2005.
Most of this hate is stemming from Rey injuring Taker and unfairly getting his spot. What really miffs me off is if Rey did really ask to go over Ziggler, why? He is already one of the most over guys in the company. Why be a glutton and hold people down? It's not like if you lose all of your credibility or overness is gone.
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Post by dav on Jun 3, 2010 16:32:42 GMT -5
I do think Rey puts on fantastic matches and has busted his ass over the years, but when you are busted up and hurting, you shouldn't be winning THAT often. When I said Rey is worse than Cena, I meant that Cena doesn't ask to go over people or control the outcome of the matches like Rey. Believe me, I used to be a fan during 2005-2006. Why would Rey ask to go over people? The money he's making the WWE, he doesn't need to. I haven't seen any real proof regarding Rey's backstage politics anyway.
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Post by Celgress on Jun 3, 2010 17:09:48 GMT -5
Agreed. Rey is simply awful. This, I turned against him after the whole Eddy thing personally.
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Post by Tyfo on Jun 3, 2010 17:16:15 GMT -5
My problem with him is that we know he needs to have his knee fixed (for the 34,963rd time) and he's working through it for whatever reason. Well, the big bionic knee brace that he has to wear in order to get through it is what's hurting people, like Taker. And most likely that's what caught Punk too and opened him up.
Some guys can work through with a brace fine, but it doesn't work with a guy like Rey. When half of your offense involves you jumping around in spots where the brace can harm your opponents, it's not worth it having him in the ring.
Get him out, send him to have his surgery, or he's just going to keep injuring people with that damn brace.
Notice how when Matt Hardy returned from his ACL surgery and was wearing a brace, he changed his 2nd rope leg drop to a 2nd rope elbow or axe handle. Mainly so he didn't maul anyone with the brace.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 3, 2010 19:20:21 GMT -5
Remember a few years back when we were complaining about Rey being buried as opposed to doing the burying? Overcompensating can be messed up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 20:27:23 GMT -5
My problem with him is that we know he needs to have his knee fixed (for the 34,963rd time) and he's working through it for whatever reason. Well, the big bionic knee brace that he has to wear in order to get through it is what's hurting people, like Taker. And most likely that's what caught Punk too and opened him up. Some guys can work through with a brace fine, but it doesn't work with a guy like Rey. When half of your offense involves you jumping around in spots where the brace can harm your opponents, it's not worth it having him in the ring. Get him out, send him to have his surgery, or he's just going to keep injuring people with that damn brace. Notice how when Matt Hardy returned from his ACL surgery and was wearing a brace, he changed his 2nd rope leg drop to a 2nd rope elbow or axe handle. Mainly so he didn't maul anyone with the brace. I always assumed that a top rope leg drop puts more wear and tear on your body but that makes sense as well.
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Post by carter 15 on Jun 3, 2010 20:38:33 GMT -5
It's funny how the hate sways. 2000, guess who the net darling was?
One of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard, is that Rey Mysterio is terrible. Lol
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Post by sweatpants on Jun 3, 2010 20:48:30 GMT -5
Really people? Getting butthurt over Billy Gunn Jr.?
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