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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 25, 2010 14:55:07 GMT -5
But isn't getting teenage nookie the noblest cause of all?
Anyway, I'll go with Aunt May. I'm going with the first time, but any time could really apply here. Really, it was a better way to remove her than the tragic route other people in Spider-Man got, and it seemed like a good way to advance the story, cause he can't have his aunt forever.
But, no. Make her an actress and whatever bull you have to undo it with, and just go ack to square one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 16:20:13 GMT -5
Ultimate Beast
He just ended up dead in the first page of Ultimatum anyway
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 25, 2010 18:16:59 GMT -5
I thought the actual story of Kraven the Hunter's recent return was told fairly well, just the concept was horrible. His death was one of the all-time great "f*** You" 's to a hero EVER, and now he's back.
Granted, I like the way they wrote him after his return (pissed at being brought back, disgusted by what his wife let his family slide into, etc) but they should've just left him dead.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 25, 2010 18:18:14 GMT -5
I thought the actual story of Kraven the Hunter's recent return was told fairly well, just the concept was horrible. His death was one of the all-time great "f*** You" 's to a hero EVER, and now he's back. Granted, I like the way they wrote him after his return (pissed at being brought back, disgusted by what his wife let his family slide into, etc) but they should've just left him dead. This one, for me. The WAY Kraven was brought back was great, but the actual idea to bring him back itself, I'm not a huge fan of.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jul 25, 2010 19:05:44 GMT -5
The only character I can think of who died and then came back who I feel shouldn't have is Bucky. Him being dead was an iconic piece of Captain America history, and regardless of how well they may or may not have written the return I can't help but dislike it. Even before they killed Cap and gave Bucky the shield I've hated that they made that move.
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Post by Legion on Jul 25, 2010 19:09:08 GMT -5
Hmmm...........hard question.
The only death in comics I've ever really cared about is Captain Marvel and he's possibly the only big name guy to ever stay dead.
I'm going over to DC for mine:
Max Lord - his death meant loads to the Wonder Woman character, but seen as she was getting a reboot, they went ahead and brought him back.
Captain Boomerang - his son was so much more interesting than he could ever be.
Both randomly ressurected by the White Lantern (frankly most of those characters could have stayed dead, as, beyond Deadman, are any of them really that interesting?)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2010 20:23:50 GMT -5
well they had to bring the real Aquaman back somehow. other than him and the Hawks I can take or leave everyone. it's pretty blatant that most of them were just brought back because X writer wanted to do something with them and DC had a convenient excuse to bring them back en masse. that's why it was so random. I still think that bringing back Digger was a mistake, though. his story was the best part of Identity Crisis, and unlike him his son actually looked like he'd be a challenge to someone like the Flash. to say nothing of the undignified character derailment Geoff Johns put Owen through.
I mean, I harangued a lot when Barry came back, but in all honesty ever since Infinite Crisis the Flash series was in a total tailspin and DC looked like they had no idea what direction to take the title in. but in all honesty, as much as I hate how it devalued Barry's sacrifice, it really was the only thing DC could do. it was a great excuse to start from scratch, and give the series a blank slate. no more Wally's family as The Incredibles, no more Bart Allen being shoehorned into a role he wasn't suited to and no more teasing. that said, bringing the original boomerbutt back doesn't do anything to move the franchise forward. it just feels like the same old "old is good" mentality at DC right now, where the current writers ignore all the good changes made because it's not the same as when they were kids. part of the reason they killed off the original Captain Boomerang was because he was the only original rogue who wasn't credible as a threat. they brought in a much better version of the character just so they could forget about him 2 years later. lame. also, why hasn't Tim Drake kicked the shit out of him yet? it's like they forgot that Digger killed Tim's father.
OTOH if Max Lord being back explains why he was suddenly a crazed maniac with no prior build up, and if DC lets him go back to being the Bwahaha character then I have no problem with him coming back. while they're at it maybe they can pull Ralph and Sue out of comic hell too.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2010 20:26:31 GMT -5
Hmmm...........hard question. The only death in comics I've ever really cared about is Captain Marvel and he's possibly the only big name guy to ever stay dead. I'm going over to DC for mine: Max Lord - his death meant loads to the Wonder Woman character, but seen as she was getting a reboot, they went ahead and brought him back. Captain Boomerang - his son was so much more interesting than he could ever be. Both randomly ressurected by the White Lantern (frankly most of those characters could have stayed dead, as, beyond Deadman, are any of them really that interesting?) DC REALLY screwed the pooch in promoting JMS' run on Wonder Woman. they promoted it as a reboot when it's pretty clear it's just going to be a temporary alternate timeline story. I was really mad at first until I read interviews with JMS where he said that none of the changes he made were permanent and they'd be mostly undone after the story arc is finished. but no, DC had to go around acting like it was a permanent reboot and alienated a lot of people who would've checked it out otherwise.
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Post by Legion on Jul 25, 2010 20:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Jul 25, 2010 20:32:56 GMT -5
well they had to bring the real Aquaman back somehow. other than him and the Hawks I can take or leave everyone. it's pretty blatant that most of them were just brought back because X writer wanted to do something with them and DC had a convenient excuse to bring them back en masse. that's why it was so random. I still think that bringing back Digger was a mistake, though. his story was the best part of Identity Crisis, and unlike him his son actually looked like he'd be a challenge to someone like the Flash. to say nothing of the undignified character derailment Geoff Johns put Owen through. I mean, I harangued a lot when Barry came back, but in all honesty ever since Infinite Crisis the Flash series was in a total tailspin and DC looked like they had no idea what direction to take the title in. but in all honesty, as much as I hate how it devalued Barry's sacrifice, it really was the only thing DC could do. it was a great excuse to start from scratch, and give the series a blank slate. no more Wally's family as The Incredibles, no more Bart Allen being shoehorned into a role he wasn't suited to and no more teasing. that said, bringing the original boomerbutt back doesn't do anything to move the franchise forward. it just feels like the same old "old is good" mentality at DC right now, where the current writers ignore all the good changes made because it's not the same as when they were kids. part of the reason they killed off the original Captain Boomerang was because he was the only original rogue who wasn't credible as a threat. they brought in a much better version of the character just so they could forget about him 2 years later. lame. also, why hasn't Tim Drake kicked the s*** out of him yet? it's like they forgot that Digger killed Tim's father. OTOH if Max Lord being back explains why he was suddenly a crazed maniac with no prior build up, and if DC lets him go back to being the Bwahaha character then I have no problem with him coming back. while they're at it maybe they can pull Ralph and Sue out of comic hell too. Spot on! Agree with all of this about Boomerang, all of it. Ralph and Sue can stay dead, useless joke characters that always kept DC in second place, they actually mean more dead to certain characters. If Max being back might mean more Checkmate stories, I would be there, except that Checkmate ditched Waller (and got cancelled soon after because everyone read that book for her). Amanda Waller is a character that needs alot more exposure. She's awesome.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2010 20:35:28 GMT -5
/\ well she looks to be a big mover in Secret Six now, so at least someone good is writing her.
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Post by Legion on Jul 25, 2010 20:44:15 GMT -5
Yeah, can't wait to see what happens when they find out Mockingbird is Waller and King Farraday.
I'd but a mini series of just her being a bitch
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2010 21:03:08 GMT -5
I still get a kick out of her thinking of Black Adam going insane and killing an entire country as a victory.
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Post by Legion on Jul 26, 2010 8:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I was excited when I heard she was going to be in Green Lantern........but then they slimmed her down and made her 'cougar glam', which just isn't Amanda.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Jul 26, 2010 9:56:38 GMT -5
Found a one-shot copy of Ruins last week and read it. Wow, that has to be one of the most depressing stories out there. Warren Ellis has gone on record saying that he wrote it as a joke, but there wasn't much to laugh at except: {Spoiler}the mentioning of "President X" visiting the incarcerated paranormals/mutants, and dropping his pants and screaming "YOU ALL CAME FROM THIS!" at them is strangely hilarious.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 27, 2010 1:23:03 GMT -5
Found a one-shot copy of Ruins last week and read it. Wow, that has to be one of the most depressing stories out there. Warren Ellis has gone on record saying that he wrote it as a joke, but there wasn't much to laugh at except: {Spoiler}the mentioning of "President X" visiting the incarcerated paranormals/mutants, and dropping his pants and screaming "YOU ALL CAME FROM THIS!" at them is strangely hilarious. Yeah, Ruins is incredibly depressing.
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Post by Legion on Jul 27, 2010 8:44:15 GMT -5
Comic Releases from the big two for this week:
DC COMICS[/u] Action Comics #890 (David Finch 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99 Action Comics #891, $3.99 American Vampire #5 (Rafael Albuquerque Regular Cover), $3.99 American Vampire #5 (Paul Pope Variant Cover), AR Authority The Lost Year #11 (of 12), $2.99 Azrael Deaths Dark Knight TP, $14.99 Batman Beyond #1 (Of 6)(Dustin Nguyen 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $2.99 Batman Black & White Statue Catwoman By Steve Rude, $80.00 Batman Reborn Series 1 Azrael Action Figure, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 Batgirl Action Figure, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 Jason Todd As Batman Action Figure, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 One Third Case Assortment, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 Two Face As Batman Action Figure, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 Weighted Case Assortment, AR Batman Reborn Series 1 Weighted Half Case Assortment, AR Batman The Return Of Bruce Wayne #4 (Of 6)(Andy Kubert Regular Cover), $3.99 Batman The Return Of Bruce Wayne #4 (Of 6)(Cameron Stewart Variant Cover), AR Batman The Brave And The Bold #19, $2.99 Batman The Widening Gyre #6 (Of 6)(resolicited)(Bill Sienkiewicz Regular Cover), $4.99 Batman The Widening Gyre #6 (Of 6)(resolicited)(Gene Ha Variant Cover), AR Batman Whatever Happened To The Caped Crusader TP, $14.99 Billy Batson And The Magic Of SHAZAM #18, $2.99 Christopher Reeve As Superman Statue (2010 Version), $195.00 DC Chronicles Aquaman Statue, $99.99 Detective Comics #867, $3.99 First Wave #3 (Of 6)(J.G. Jones Regular Cover), $3.99 First Wave #3 (Of 6)(Lee Bermejo Variant Cover), AR Flash #4 (Francis Manapul Regular Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Flash #4 (Scott Kolins Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), AR Garrison #4 (of 6), $2.99 Gotham City Sirens #14, $2.99 Green Arrow #2 (Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Green Lantern #56 (Doug Mahnke & Christian Alamy Regular Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Green Lantern #56 (Stanley 'Artgerm' Lau Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), AR Green Lantern Corps #50 (Ardian Syaf & Vicente Cifuentes Regular Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Green Lantern Corps #50 (Patrick Gleason & John Dell Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), AR Jack Of Fables #46, $2.99 JSA Vs Kobra TP, $14.99 Justice League Generation Lost #1 (Kevin Maguire 2nd Printing Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Justice League Generation Lost #6 (Tony Harris & J.D. Mettler Regular Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Justice League Generation Lost #6 (Kevin Maguire Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $2.99 Justice League Of America #47 (Mark Bagley & Jesus Merino Regular Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), $3.99 Justice League Of America #47 (Alex Garner Variant Cover)(Brightest Day Tie-In), AR Legion Of Super-Heroes #3 (Jim Lee Variant Cover), AR Madame Xanadu #25, $2.99 Northlanders #30, $2.99 Outsiders #31 (resolicited), $2.99 Showcase Presents Sgt Rock Volume 3 TP,$19.99 Superman Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow TP, $14.99 Teen Titans #85, $3.99 Unknown Soldier #22, $2.99 Warlord #16, $2.99 Wildcats #25, $2.99 Wonder Woman #601 (Don Kramer & Michael Babinski Regular Cover), $2.99 Wonder Woman #601 (Alex Garner Variant Cover), AR Zatanna #1 (Stephane Roux 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $2.99
MARVEL COMICS[/u] Amazing Spider-Man #634 (Michael Lark 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99 Amazing Spider-Man #635 (Michael Lark 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99 Amazing Spider-Man Presents Black Cat #2 (Of 4), $3.99 Anita Blake Circus Of The Damned The Charmer #3 (Of 5), $3.99 Avengers #2 (John Romita Jr. 2nd Printing Variant Cover)(Heroic Age Tie-In), $3.99 Captain America The 1940s Newspaper Strip #2 (Of 3), $3.99 Deadpool Team-up #891, $2.99 Essential Classic X-Men Volume 2 TP (All-New Edition), $19.99 Fantastic Four #581, $2.99 Franken-Castle #19 (Punisher 19), $2.99 Hulk Fall Of The Hulks Red Hulk TP, $14.99 Iron Man Extremis Directors Cut #6 (of 6), $3.99 Marvel Masterworks The Mighty Thor Volume 1 TP (Book Market Edition), $24.99 Marvel Masterworks The Mighty Thor Volume 1 TP (Direct Market Variant Edition Volume 18), $24.99 Marvel Previews #84 (For Products On-Sale October 2010), $1.25 Marvels Project Birth Of The Super Heroes HC (Steve McNiven Book Market Cover), $34.99 Marvels Project Birth Of The Super Heroes HC (Steve Epting Direct Market Red Skull Cover), $34.99 Marvels Project Birth Of The Super Heroes HC (Steve Epting Direct Market Torch Namor Cover), $34.99 Marvel Vampires Poster Book, $5.99 New Avengers #1 (Stuart Immonen 2nd Printing Variant Cover), $3.99 Peter Parker #5 (of 5), $2.99 PunisherMAX #9, $3.99 Secret Avengers #3 (Marko Djurdjevic Regular Cover), $3.99 Secret Avengers #3 (Mike Deodato Variant Cover), $3.99 Secret Warriors Volume 3 Wake The Beast HC (Premiere Edition), $19.99 Sense & Sensibility #3 (of 5), $3.99 Shadowland #1 (Of 5)(Billy Tan 2nd Printing Bullseye Assault Variant Cover), $3.99 Shadowland #1 (Of 5)(Billy Tan 2nd Printing New Costume Variant Cover), $3.99 Siege Battlefield HC (Premiere Edition), $24.99 Spider-Man #4 (Marvel Adventures), $2.99 Thor #612, $3.99 Thor The Mighty Avenger #2, $2.99 Ultimate Comics Mystery #1 (Of 4)(J. Scott Campbell Regular Cover), $3.99 Ultimate Comics Mystery #1 (Of 4)(Leinil Francis Yu 'Villain' Variant Cover), AR Uncanny X-Men #526 (Heroic Age Tie-In), $3.99 Vampire Tales Volume 1 TP, $19.99 Wolverine Origins #50 (Heroic Age Tie-In), $3.99 Wolverine Weapon X #15, $3.99 Women Of Marvel Celebrating Seven Decades Handbook TP, $19.99 Women Of Marvel Celebrating Seven Decades TP, $24.99 World War Hulks Spider-Man Vs Thor #2 (Of 2), $3.99 World War Hulks Wolverine Vs Captain America #2 (Of 2), $3.99 X-Campus #2 (of 4), $4.99 X-Factor Forever #5 (of 5), $3.99 X-Men Dark Phoenix Saga HC, $74.99 X-Men Forever 2 #4, $3.99 X-Men Legacy #238 (Heroic Age Tie-In), $2.99 X-Men Mutant Genesis HC (Premiere Edition), $24.99 X-Men Mutant Genesis HC (Premiere Edition)(Variant Edition Volume 48), $24.99 X-Men Powerless TP, $16.99 X-Men We Are The X-Men TP, $24.99
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Post by Legion on Jul 27, 2010 8:49:58 GMT -5
Big DC week for me this week:
DC: Action Comics 891 Batman: Return of Bruce Wayne 4 Flash 4 Gotham City Sirens 14 Green Lantern 56 Green Lantern Corps 50 Jack of Fables 46 Justice League: Generation Lost 6 Justice League of America 47 Madame Xanadu 25
I shall flick through Wonder Woman and see, I wasnt a big fan of the not a reboot reboot, but I suppose I should give JMS a chance....
Marvel: Fantastic Four 581 Secret Avengers 3 Thor 612 Uncanny XMen 526
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Post by darthalexander on Jul 27, 2010 9:43:58 GMT -5
Kraven is back? Kraven's Last Hunt was one of my favorite Spider-man stories. Damn. They'll bring anyone back.
When pray tell did Aunt May become an actress?!?!?
Edit: With all this ret-con stuff going on, you'd think they'd let Uncle Ben live for once.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 9:46:21 GMT -5
Franken-Castle's still going?
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