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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 6, 2010 23:27:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it's so obvious after TNA OBVIOUSLY had Angle defeat Jeff Hardy, and OBVIOUSLY had Angle win the match on iMPACT after the PPV, and OBVIOUSLY faced a guy one on one at BFG... I notice you trimmed off the part of the post where it's suggested that all this seems to be to shoehorn Hardy into the match because they can't decide what else to do with him. Funny that. Yeah, don't know what to do with the guy, who has recent history with the world champion, along with BOTH opponents at the PPV, and has been pretty much involved on TV since he got there....
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 6, 2010 23:28:38 GMT -5
So what if Dreamer lost. A FORK INTO THE EYE should make someone go away for awhile. I dont care if the Guns and Gen Me have previous history that doesnt make them good heels. London Brawling, despite the stupid name, was perfect for whatever they are trying to do with the 12 year olds. Who the hell can even remember Doug Williams and Lethal's history since Lethal is never on tv. I did forget about the tag title match but it was rendered pointless since they began a best of 7 series the next night and none of those matches were on ppv. I get it Cena is superman, BUT THIS IS WRESTLING. Last night Angle took 2 swantons and put Hardy in the ankle lock almost immediately after countering the third. What about Hardy in the anklelock? He wasnt even selling it most of the time and apparently can take more pain than anyone else in TNA that has ever tapped out to Angle. Everyone looks for every opportunity to jump on Cena but are hypocrites about everything else. We are supposed to believe Sting is attacking people WITH A BASEBALL BAT yet no one ever dies or gets taken out for any period of time. He beat RVD for 15 minutes but RVD was fine. 1. Dreamer didn't show up to wrestle. He showed up to call an end to the friction because his group got owned. You don't need 2 good eyes for that. 2. GenMe just turned. Give them a chance. They delivered a pretty good beatdown on Shelley. They were shoehorned into an angle due to something happening with London Brawling. Given the circumstances, they did okay. 3. I remember Doug Williams' history with Jay Lethal, and so do other people. 4. Hardy sold his injury & Kurt Angle can survive anything. The man had a legit injury and he still continued to wrestle in a believable manner, unlike Cena who just jumps up, attacks, and wins just like that. Angle & Hardy struggled to do much of anything by the end of the match. At some point, Hardy probably lost feeling in his ankle. Either that, or he reached a point where he couldn't possibly be in more pain, but was still able to fight through it. Jeff obviously didn't give a s*** if his ankle was broken or not. That's why he didn't tap out. Most people care about their bodies, but not Jeff. That's kinda his thing. And he did actually limp for the rest of the match. That's more selling than Cena has ever done. 5. Sting is 51 years old. I doubt he has much stank behind those swings. He only does body shots. Never to the head. His shots on RVD, while epic, didn't have nearly enough force behind them to seriously injure anybody. Sting mostly jabs with the bat. Unlikely to kill anybody. Also, RVD is a professional pot smoker. His pain was probably gone 5 minutes after the show.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Sept 6, 2010 23:29:02 GMT -5
So what if Dreamer lost. A FORK INTO THE EYE should make someone go away for awhile. I dont care if the Guns and Gen Me have previous history that doesnt make them good heels. London Brawling, despite the stupid name, was perfect for whatever they are trying to do with the 12 year olds. Who the hell can even remember Doug Williams and Lethal's history since Lethal is never on tv. I did forget about the tag title match but it was rendered pointless since they began a best of 7 series the next night and none of those matches were on ppv. I get it Cena is superman, BUT THIS IS WRESTLING. Last night Angle took 2 swantons and put Hardy in the ankle lock almost immediately after countering the third. What about Hardy in the anklelock? He wasnt even selling it most of the time and apparently can take more pain than anyone else in TNA that has ever tapped out to Angle. Everyone looks for every opportunity to jump on Cena but are hypocrites about everything else. We are supposed to believe Sting is attacking people WITH A BASEBALL BAT yet no one ever dies or gets taken out for any period of time. He beat RVD for 15 minutes but RVD was fine. I only care to address Sting... If after 14 years, people were all of a sudden getting seriously hurt... it would make no sense that Sting developed a better baseball swing in his 40s than 30s unless he's been Barry Bonds'ing it. Everything else I will give you... but Sting hitting people baseball bats is just normal now to me.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 6, 2010 23:33:07 GMT -5
I notice you trimmed off the part of the post where it's suggested that all this seems to be to shoehorn Hardy into the match because they can't decide what else to do with him. Funny that. Yeah, don't know what to do with the guy, who has recent history with the world champion, along with BOTH opponents at the PPV, and has been pretty much involved on TV since he got there.... Who has a court date in two days...
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 6, 2010 23:40:14 GMT -5
Yeah, don't know what to do with the guy, who has recent history with the world champion, along with BOTH opponents at the PPV, and has been pretty much involved on TV since he got there.... Who has a court date in two days... and has had one for the past 6 months, and it never really affected anything.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 6, 2010 23:40:50 GMT -5
So what if Dreamer lost. A FORK INTO THE EYE should make someone go away for awhile. Do you honestly think he got his eye ripped off or something? Plus, he's not wrestling, he's not doing anything that would take away from the attack, he's just trying to concede and gets his ass kicked, which actually intensifies it. So, you don't care about a reason for a turn or any motivation, that would give any number or reasons to care about it? and the whole issue is we don't have Brawling in the first place due to something personal. Except that Douglas helping Flair was a big deal and ended up leading to him in Fortune, one of the main in TNA right now and how Jay had a bunch of follow up after it. And it was a Best of 5, and it wouldn't have even happened if the Guns/BM match at the PPV never happened, so it's not pointless. How the hell does a TITLE DEFENSE make a title win pointless?! I like how you can tell what Angle and Hardy are selling from a three sentence description of a long match. And considering it's 2 weeks after, Kurt's head would have healed, and Jeff's leg could have recovered mostly from the ankle lock by then. Whaa? What does Sting's bat have to do with anything?! Sting doesn't even do anything close to lethal with his bat.
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 6, 2010 23:45:22 GMT -5
Whaa? What does Sting's bat have to do with anything?! Sting doesn't even do anything close to lethal with his bat. That's what she said. *rimshot*
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Post by dantheman on Sept 7, 2010 0:11:47 GMT -5
It was a best of seven if you count the 2 out of 3 falls final match(4+3=7). The best of seven series had no build up or announcement. It just started because.... well there was never a reason. Maybe if Beer Money had challenged them to a best of seven to prove that the win was a fluke before the series stated it would have had a little story behind it and those matches could have been spread out over months instead of as quick as possible. I actually watched the match and it definitely wasnt MOTY, because of the ankle lock being on too long and Hardy's very questionable selling and his botches. I dont care if Angle and Hardy had healed by Impact because that wasnt my point. I was talking about the actual match something I doubt you actually watched. The Sting thing was just an example of how people SUSPEND DISBELIEF FOR WRESTLING. ITS NOT REAL. CENA DIDNT REALLY GET HIS HEAD SLAMMED INTO CONCRETE. He didnt dominate Gabriel and Barrett. Gabriel missed his finisher and got pinned and Barrett got caught by a submission. Angle kept wrestling for another 15 minutes or so after Hardy's finishers and Jeff shouldnt have been able to walk after being in a hold for so long. Try watching a Randy Savage or HBK or a Bret Hart match if you want to see how someone is supposed to sell a move.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 7, 2010 0:29:03 GMT -5
It was a best of seven if you count the 2 out of 3 falls final match(4+3=7). The best of seven series had no build up or announcement. It just started because.... well there was never a reason. Maybe if Beer Money had challenged them to a best of seven to prove that the win was a fluke before the series stated it would have had a little story behind it and those matches could have been spread out over months instead of as quick as possible. The reason for the series was that the ending to the PPV match had the double ref issue, and a restart with the Guns winning. It was on the PPV, and pointed out during the first match of the entire series. It didn't spring out from nowhere. You have the reasoning right there. I watched it, and it's obvious we saw two very different matches, then. You can actually tell what the story was and how everything was linked. Except that Cena's spot in Summerslam is nothing compared to Angle/Hardy at No Surrender. It's not the same match, not the same circumstances, not the same ending, not the same build up, and not the same spots. In fact, I don't even know how you can put that Cena match into this comparison.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 7, 2010 1:28:44 GMT -5
Dreamer says he got Kaz his job in WWE, but Kaz left as he was unhappy and went on to meet his wife in TNA. Dreamer put over Matt Morgan and said he wrestled Bobby Roode in Roode's WWE tryout match but Roode turned down the job to stick with TNA. Man, anyone find this to be a little weird? Calling out that Kaz left TNA to work for WWE then he left cause he was "unhappy". Then saying that Roode was working for TNA but did a TRYOUT MATCH for WWE, which would lead me to believe he wants to work for WWE but *apparently* "turned down the job." Weird on a few levels. Why even call this out? Who honestly cares? I get he's trying to connect with them for the storyline but honestly, WHO. CARES. And then to pretend these guys just hated the company and left. Right. Alright.
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Post by donners on Sept 7, 2010 1:34:44 GMT -5
I find it stupid yes, but TNA making completely unnecessary references to WWE and expressing their own inferiority complex is sadly not "weird" at all. It's all too familiar.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Sept 7, 2010 2:15:54 GMT -5
Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy in a rematch. Makes me really f***ing glad I didn't waste any money on the PPV. I'd feel like a moron if I bought the PPV for Angle/Hardy, then got it for free on the next tv show. Especially since the poster's already out for Bound for Glory and it's a guarantee that this match will have a schmozz ending. ...also, I'm a bit confused here. Bischoff makes it a 3-way, which is a very face move. And then Dixie Carter comes out and undoes it.........why? What makes my head spin about it is the fact it ended up being a three way anyway!
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Sept 7, 2010 3:14:43 GMT -5
So at BFG we're getting new TNA Champ Mr Anderson, pinning Jeff Hardy. That frees up Hardy to go off to jail and gives Kurt his "I didn't lose so I don't have to retire stip". That's fair enough in my book.
I do believe that Gen Me are simply now playing the part that London Brawling would have played had they been able to attend the PPV. The Guns at this point are so over as faces that they simply have to go up against strong heels and since Wolfe/Magnus missed the PPV, their spot/role has simply been passed to GenMe.
Lethal winning the X title simply makes me think of RVD winning the TNA belt: probably booked with the intention of it being an "anything can happen on Impact so stay tuned" moment, actually coming off as "wtf, wait, WHAT?!".
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 7, 2010 5:15:50 GMT -5
...Abyss is torturing people with branding irons...?
Kane and his hook was silly enough.
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Post by Banecat on Sept 7, 2010 7:04:34 GMT -5
JAY LETHAL HAS DONE THE IMPOSSIBLE AND WON THE X DIVISION TITLE! FOR THE FOURTH TIME! Fixed that for ya. Seriously, why didn't this happen at the Pay Per View. They might as well say "Don't bother buying the PPVs, all the important stuff happens on our free show." ...and that's the way I like it.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 7, 2010 7:15:39 GMT -5
Ugh, the booking of this really makes very little sense, and I've been defending the hell out of TNA lately.
Booking a title change on a taped show is one thing. Booking a title change on the first taped show after a PPV against a challenger that hasn't even been seen in weeks is just ridiculous. I like Jay Lethal, but him winning the title is just completely out of left field unless I'm missing some continuity here.
Hardy/Angle was probably another good match, but did they really need to do it on this show? It's a rip off to the people who bought the PPV. Not only did they not get a winner on the PPV, they also gave away the rematch for free on the VERY NEXT SHOW. It's bad enough that the PPV didn't have a TNA title match, at least make it mean something. And why did they hug? A good match doesn't have to automatically mean "ZOMG MUTUAL RESPECT". Just last week, Kurt was super pissed at Jeff...
Triple threat at BFG sounds completely uninteresting. I'm sure it'll be a decent to good match, but it's not the type of match that they should be main eventing their biggest show of the year with. I thought from the beginning that they should've done Anderson/Hardy and Pope/Angle at No Surrender, and saved Hardy/Angle for the BFG main event.
And possibly the biggest problem here...what happened to Pope? He was the only guy out of the 4 semi-finalists that doesn't make it to the title match, and he wasn't even on Impact. Guy got completely buried IMO.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 7, 2010 7:28:27 GMT -5
I tried to tell everyone the Pope isnt getting the belt. Maybe eventually but not now. I have the same complaint about Angle/Hardy as last night. 2 matches with no finish is absurd. Everyone tried to hate on WWE for Cena getting up from that DDT but DREAMER HAD A FORK IN HIS EYE LAST NIGHT. When was the last time a TNA title changed hands at a PPV? Lethal winning the title would have meant so much more at BFG and could have had maybe a little build up. When did Lethal wrestle last? Why does he even deserve a shot? Didnt he lose to Flair and Hardy his last 2 matches? Im not upset he wont the belt but the way he did. As for Generation Me how can anyone take them as badasses seriously? They are less imposing than the Guns and they arent tough guys either. Maybe Wolfe/Magnus I could believe taking out Shelley and dominating but for whatever reason they think 2 guys who look like 12 years olds are better suited for that role. It's easiler not to explain. TNA just can't book. They have no idea how to get fans to buy a PPV. Because they give away EVERYTHING on Impact. They make look as if the PPVs doesn't matter. Hell they did a good job of it because I almost forgot that there was even a PPV sunday. What really gets me is not saving dates on RVD contract to by looks of things having him on the biggest PPV of the year. Even if he did return. It make no sense for the fact they there crowning the new champion and last champion is there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 7:35:52 GMT -5
Well now I'm glad I didn't buy the PPV. I saw GenMe vs MMG last week and now I can see Hardy vs Angle go to a draw again this week.
Oh TNA, you silly goose.
Douglass Williams vs Lethal looks like the only match worth watching this week.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 7, 2010 8:12:50 GMT -5
Who has a court date in two days... and has had one for the past 6 months, and it never really affected anything. But it did. Because Jeff Hardy, arguably the WWE's top face last year, has been just...there. So either TNA is waiting on the court case or they're incompetent. I'd love to hear which one you think it is.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Sept 7, 2010 8:45:12 GMT -5
Has Abyss got a lame horror movie coming out on that date or something? 10-10-10 is the date for Bound For Glory, where Abyss will reveal who "They" are. Holy crap...I just figured out who They is... 10/10/10...Gem mint 10/Gem mint 10/Gem mint 10...
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