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Post by aka Cthulhu on Dec 16, 2010 10:09:35 GMT -5
Ah, how can we live in a world without a beach or hot spring episode in anime? Or uncensored-version without the steam or pesky censors?
Anyway, I won't link to specific articles since there might be some politics mentioned... and I'm not too sure about the specifics myself, so if anyone knows more about it then feel free to correct me.
So, anime and manga, and probably video games in Tokyo will be -- not really a ban, I think, but restricted to the adult section if they have sexual content, any sexual content. I'm not even 25 percent sure about this one, but violence as well.
This could really affect things in anime. While it would mean that typical fanservice series might be gone, it also means that stuff like Panty and Stocking would be affected as well. It's pretty sad. Who knows? It might mean that anime studios would find something better than boring fanservice anime shows. I doubt that this would destroy anime or manga, after reading several posts somewhere else about that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 10:47:28 GMT -5
I don't mind splitting things into a normal section and an adults-only section, but it sounds like the policy would be a little far-reaching, if it is indeed any sexual content.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 16, 2010 11:02:02 GMT -5
The big problem with the law is how vague it is. It has good intentions, but the wording is so vague an overly conservative audit board could use it to restrict sales of even harmless anime/manga like Dragon Ball, and that's the big reason why the big publishers like Shueisha are vehemently against it. The wording really needs to be tightened up a lot.
Also, if you're going by Sankaku Complex's take on it, don't. That site cares more about pushing its agenda than getting things right, and this is no different.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 16, 2010 11:03:46 GMT -5
It seems like it's fairly wide reaching. As Cthulhu said, there's certainly gong to be less of the overly fanservicey sort of stuff but it also means that good stuff could get caught in the net.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 16, 2010 11:05:42 GMT -5
I believe what you are referring to is Bill 156, which will regulate "manga, anime, and other images (except for real-life photography)" that "unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate" certain sexual or pseudo sexual acts.
I don't think it is a ban, no more than it means that now, anything related to "ecchi" or fan service might be gone.
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 16, 2010 11:39:40 GMT -5
There goes half the reason to watch Motto To Love-Ru  There's still Yui though so I'm perfectly OK with that  |
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Dec 16, 2010 12:07:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I did get get it from sankaku, and probably the only thing I was sure on was the vagueness of it all.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2010 14:44:03 GMT -5
I believe what you are referring to is Bill 156, which will regulate "manga, anime, and other images (except for real-life photography)" that "unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate" certain sexual or pseudo sexual acts. I don't think it is a ban, no more than it means that now, anything related to "ecchi" or fan service might be gone. Considering how 80% of all new anime and manga rely on ecchi to sell, it more or less is a ban. This could, in all seriousness, kill the anime and manga industry as, let's be honest, fanservice and ecchi is what is keeping those industries alive right now. |
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Post by Alucard on Dec 16, 2010 16:50:05 GMT -5
Because I don't care if my Junior sees guts spilled and men impaled and split in half with giant swords, BUT SO HELP ME GOD IF HE EVER SEES A TIT I WILL LOSE MY MIND! RABBLE!!!
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 16, 2010 17:00:03 GMT -5
While I'd PERSONALLY like to see the ecchi/loli/moe stuff die in a fire (as it's dulled my interest in the medium to a large degree), I'm not personally sure how one writes a law that keeps the Pervy stuff seperate without things that really aren't meant to be getting swept up here and there, too.
It probably isn't possible to write a "perfect" law in that regard, honestly.
Still, it'd be nice to find SOME way to keep producers from relying on pervy/fetishy stuff, and make them think of other things to produce a show around, even if I'm the only one who feels that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 17:24:23 GMT -5
While I'd PERSONALLY like to see the ecchi/loli/moe stuff die in a fire (as it's dulled my interest in the medium to a large degree), I'm not personally sure how one writes a law that keeps the Pervy stuff seperate without things that really aren't meant to be getting swept up here and there, too. It probably isn't possible to write a "perfect" law in that regard, honestly. Still, it'd be nice to find SOME way to keep producers from relying on pervy/fetishy stuff, and make them think of other things to produce a shoe around, even if I'm the only one who feels that way. You're not. There's a lot of new anime/manga that have no appeal to me whatsoever, some that even make me dislike the mediums, because of the content. Then, I don't watch anime for the fanservice, but for the reason I watch any show - quality writing, direction, and characters. |
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Post by B.B.M on Dec 16, 2010 17:55:29 GMT -5
This could, in all seriousness, kill the anime and manga industry as, let's be honest, fanservice and ecchi is what is keeping those industries alive right now. Oh hell no...that means they have to come up with Plots and Storylines now. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 16, 2010 18:00:11 GMT -5
This could, in all seriousness, kill the anime and manga industry as, let's be honest, fanservice and ecchi is what is keeping those industries alive right now. Oh hell no...that means they have to come up with Plots and Storylines now. Either that or that the return of Moe-ness and even more bishounen-like characters :S |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2010 18:08:58 GMT -5
But seriously, what I find stupid is, this law is aimed ONLY at anime, manga, and video games.
Yet in Japanese book stores there are books filled with real life pictures that are much worse than damn near anything you'll find in anime, manga, and video games! And if you do find worse things, they already can't be accessed by kids/minors as they are already prevented from getting them in the first place.
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Post by Tarik Dee on Dec 16, 2010 18:14:26 GMT -5
While I'd PERSONALLY like to see the ecchi/loli/moe stuff die in a fire (as it's dulled my interest in the medium to a large degree), I'm not personally sure how one writes a law that keeps the Pervy stuff seperate without things that really aren't meant to be getting swept up here and there, too. It probably isn't possible to write a "perfect" law in that regard, honestly. Still, it'd be nice to find SOME way to keep producers from relying on pervy/fetishy stuff, and make them think of other things to produce a shoe around, even if I'm the only one who feels that way. You're not. There's a lot of new anime/manga that have no appeal to me whatsoever, some that even make me dislike the mediums, because of the content. Then, I don't watch anime for the fanservice, but for the reason I watch any show - quality writing, direction, and characters. This is my opinion in the matter, I'm tired of all the fanservice stuff ruining good stories, so if this mean more plot driven series, well, that's ok for me. |
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Post by B.B.M on Dec 16, 2010 18:19:34 GMT -5
But seriously, what I find stupid is, this law is aimed ONLY at anime, manga, and video games. Yet in Japanese book stores there are books filled with real life pictures that are much worse than damn near anything you'll find in anime, manga, and video games! And if you do find worse things, they already can't be accessed by kids/minors as they are already prevented from getting them in the first place. Yeah, but they're usually in sections called "Adult" or "Sexual Interests" |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2010 19:11:26 GMT -5
But seriously, what I find stupid is, this law is aimed ONLY at anime, manga, and video games. Yet in Japanese book stores there are books filled with real life pictures that are much worse than damn near anything you'll find in anime, manga, and video games! And if you do find worse things, they already can't be accessed by kids/minors as they are already prevented from getting them in the first place. Yeah, but they're usually in sections called "Adult" or "Sexual Interests" Same with the really bad anime, manga, and video games. What this law does is make the things that AREN'T bad suddenly bad. It is basically now saying that panty shots in anime, manga, and video games is just as bad as full on nudity in those mediums. They need to word the law better before they can even seriously think of enforcing it. But then again, they haven't technically passed the law yet anyways, the only thing that has happened is that the big name people with the most power in this situation are agreeing with it. So it is more or less passed, but it isn't official yet. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2010 19:14:08 GMT -5
This could, in all seriousness, kill the anime and manga industry as, let's be honest, fanservice and ecchi is what is keeping those industries alive right now. Oh hell no...that means they have to come up with Plots and Storylines now. Plots and storylines don't sell anime and manga now. The sad fact of the matter is what sells in the anime and manga industry is moe and fanservice filled dredge that speaks to the massive lonely otaku shut in demographic. There's a reason why most new series follow more or less the same basic formula, because it is the only things that actually sell. If you don't appeal to these sadly, lowly little gremlins, you don't release it. It kinda is why I'm more of a manga person now, because there are at least more good new manga series coming out nowadays than there are anime. |
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Post by 8-BitAssassin on Dec 16, 2010 19:36:07 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with a little fanservice in my anime and all, but it does get taken to extremes a lot more often than it should.
The main problem I see with this is the possibility of polarizing future anime productions to extreme ends of the content spectrum. On one end there could be the annoying stuff geared towards little kids, made by production companies trying to keep their shows as accessable as possible. On the other end there could be extremely pointlessly graphic crap for fanboys to fap to made by companies saying "eff it, it's being labelled adult anyway." If there's no middle ground, things could really suck.
Hopefully the entire issue is being completely overblown though.
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Post by Nasty Nate: The Giant Midget on Dec 16, 2010 21:27:16 GMT -5
Because I don't care if my Junior sees guts spilled and men impaled and split in half with giant swords, BUT SO HELP ME GOD IF HE EVER SEES A TIT I WILL LOSE MY MIND! RABBLE!!! Also If anime is outlawed, only outlaws will have anime? Anime doesn't kill people, now Manga on the other hand. Whoa man, shit will f*** you up yo! |
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