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Post by darthalexander on Jan 9, 2011 1:28:57 GMT -5
Animation has the same problem comics do - certain people peg it as being one thing and refuse to believe that it may not necessarily be true. It's like they do not want their "reality" questioned.
These are often all or nothing types (generally). You'll find a lot of them get ideas that you can't change much, if at all. It's like their universe will end if they happen to have one of their beliefs found somewhat wrong.
Funny story about Fritz The Cat: my godmother's best friend went to see this at the drive-in without knowing anything about it. He goes because he loves animated movies and he's thinking he's going to see something Disney-esque. He goes, gets some food, and as he's sitting in his car he can't figure out why there are no kids. Well, the film starts and he gets the shock of his life.
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Post by Alucard on Jan 9, 2011 1:38:29 GMT -5
Heavy Metal was pretty un kid-friendly.
DC's current Direct to DVD films can be pretty raw. Well, okay, Under the Red Hood was. I can't speak for the others. But it featured Jason Todd in his teens being beaten to death with a crowbar and then blown up in a warehouse, a duffel bag full of severed heads, attempted immolation of several gangsters, constant gun violence, blood, and swearing. And Target put it in the damn kids section.
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Post by Alucard on Jan 9, 2011 1:45:11 GMT -5
And to answer the OP, it baffles me too. They still watch animated christmas and holiday specials like all of the Charlie Brown ones, yet scoff at anything else, when it comes to my family anyway. They liked Shrek I think. I dunno. It's annoying.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 9, 2011 1:48:31 GMT -5
I love good animated movies but it feels like Dreamworks sit in their offices and throw darts at various animals to see which needs an unfunny, quirky movie made about them next.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 9, 2011 1:52:49 GMT -5
Some people just aren't into them. Sometime around when I was about 11, I just couldn't watch them much anymore without getting bored. Until Finding Nemo, the last animated "kids" movie I saw was Aladdin. And I haven't watched any since.
I'm not counting stuff like the Beavis and Butthead or South Park movies. Just Disney/Pixar style family-friendly stuff.
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Post by darthalexander on Jan 9, 2011 1:56:34 GMT -5
There is an animated (short) film called "The Man Who Planted Trees". It's a beautiful film and it's sad many won't watch it because they feel animation is "kid's stuff".
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Post by Jiren on Jan 9, 2011 11:28:42 GMT -5
Heavy Metal was pretty un kid-friendly. DC's current Direct to DVD films can be pretty raw. Well, okay, Under the Red Hood was. I can't speak for the others. But it featured Jason Todd in his teens being beaten to death with a crowbar and then blown up in a warehouse, a duffel bag full of severed heads, attempted immolation of several gangsters, constant gun violence, blood, and swearing. And Target put it in the damn kids section. Most if not all of them are pretty mature.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 9, 2011 12:09:08 GMT -5
I love good animated movies but it feels like Dreamworks sit in their offices and throw darts at various animals to see which needs an unfunny, quirky movie made about them next. I'm not a fan of Dreamworks. All their films seem to be pretty similar with a few exceptions. I did love Megamind though. That was something different, thought it was an excellant film.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jan 9, 2011 13:42:52 GMT -5
It's more a generational problem, when you saw things that are centered to kids when you are a kid and then you don't give them a chance because you ''grow up'' you can't do nothing
But in those times, thanks to pixar primarly, there's a chance that people change in the future, the problem with the rest of northamerican animation feels kid centered, with fart and poop jokes or other shit like that, people will never see animation as a serious competer, hell, when your ''adults cartoons'' like the simpsons and family guy felt like series which are written by adults with the kid concept of what means adult animation will never be saw as something serious
Japan is the same IMO, but at least there you had way more diversity
The same happened with videogames, 10 years ago was kid's stuff, now is saw as an alternative of entertainment like movies or tv, but still has some stigmas, in parts thanks to gamers though
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Post by shadowangel on Jan 9, 2011 14:15:59 GMT -5
The same happened with videogames, 10 years ago was kid's stuff, now is saw as an alternative of entertainment like movies or tv, but still has some stigmas, in parts thanks to gamers though You can compare video games and animated movies and say that both were once accepted by adults and then somehow the business changed and was suddenly based around kids. In the late 60's and early 70's thanks to movies like Thank you Mask Man, Fritz the Cat or Heavy Traffic there were a lot of animated movies purely for adults and even the disney movies weren't as stupid as they became (compare Jungle Book to Arielle), i gues also a lot of adults watched Yellow Submarine with no problem. It then changed and suddenly almost all animated movies were for kids and for kids only. Same happened with video games: In the 80's a lot of gamers were older. Who do you think played all the Flight/Tank/War Simulations on Home Computers or the real RPGs? Mostly Adults. It all changed when the video game market exploded and the 16- and 32-Bit market was mostly adressed to kids and teenagers. (Like in the 80's people played Harpoon, in the 90's kids played Command & Conquer or in the 80's they played Ultima, in the 90's the kids played Final Fantasy and so on) But i think another big problem is all the "You're not supposed to do that", "You watch cartoons at your age?", "Still watching cartoons, are you retarded?" way. I mean it's something than can be experienced even here where people get mocked because they have different interests or like different things. Other people then go "2000 called they want their.... back" or something like that. So i guess a lot of people rather stop doing it than get mocked because they like it. I mean the cliche is that only nerds read comic books and only nerds watch animated movies (preferable japanese stuff) and most people don't want to get called a Nerd.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 9, 2011 14:25:58 GMT -5
I'd rather be called a nerd than a be mindless drone or a poser pretending to like The "In Style" stuff (I'm not saying all the people that like that stuff are BTW).
I'm not a huge fan of football (Soccer for the Americans) But I loves me some NFL or NHL, Saying your not a fan of football to people my age is taboo.
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Post by Legion on Jan 9, 2011 14:26:39 GMT -5
Certainly one of the big things has to do with which specific animated movies tend to get the most attention.
For every one of the more adult themed animated movies featured in the posters on page 1 there will be several times that number more that are kid friendly and kid aimed stuff. Disney stuff especially is targeted at children. Sure, the themes may be more adult on viewing, but the massive publicity and advertising campaigns that get behind these films throw the ball firmly into the children's, or at a stretch family (read family with young children) court, and some people get very touchy about being seen as liking or enjoying stuff that is main stream aimed at children. Look at Harry Potter for a good example of that; the fact that they were able to market and sell the same book with a different cover so that adults would feel more comfortable reading the books is laughable, and yet they did it and made even more money doing it.
The other aspect is potentially to do with recognisability. Some people will sit and awatch a film for a certain actor, doesn't matter if that film is rubbish, they enjoy the work of the person in it and so will watch for that. With animated movies, you tend to either get big celebrities putting on voices or 'proper' voice actors who we've all heard a thousand times, but their names are far from main stream or house hold, as such, there isnt that instant connectablity that you may get from being able to actually see a star, rather than just hearing their voice, or them putting on a voice.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jan 9, 2011 17:49:43 GMT -5
I think a lot of people seem to confuse family friendly w/ kiddie stuff. Think of comedy, someone like Bill Cosby. His humor has always been clean, and relatively family friendly. Doesn't mean it's for kids. The same can be said for a lot of animated stuff. They generally sneak in enough references for the adults to laugh and enjoy as well.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 9, 2011 17:52:14 GMT -5
How could someone not like WALL-E? I just....can't understand that. My mom hates Wall-E.
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2011 11:44:20 GMT -5
Your mother is in a very small group with that one. That film is just so damn cute.
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Jan 11, 2011 11:47:15 GMT -5
I remember someone telling me they wouldn't watch CGI movies because they are taking away Jobs from proper Actors ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) .
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Post by agent817 on Jan 11, 2011 12:09:30 GMT -5
I remember someone telling me they wouldn't watch CGI movies because they are taking away Jobs from proper Actors ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) . You're kidding, right? Does that person even know that actors provide voicework for the characters?
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Post by 76flyingeagles on Jan 11, 2011 12:32:41 GMT -5
I remember someone telling me they wouldn't watch CGI movies because they are taking away Jobs from proper Actors ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) . You're kidding, right? Does that person even know that actors provide voicework for the characters? I'm not joking. Someone seriously started a whole rant of how CGI and Animated Movies are taking Jobs from real actors and in 10 years time they won't even be movies with real people in them ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) .
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2011 12:59:05 GMT -5
Well, in Wall-E the main villain is the Apple voice simulator........maybe he has a point! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 11, 2011 13:07:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Pixar films are full of "kiddy humour" In fact, the humour isn't really the appeal of western animation at all imo. Okay, there are a few kiddy jokes in them but imo it's the fun plot and great characters in Pixar films that make them awesome rather than them been funny. Like WALL-E, that's not really a funny film chock full of jokes but it is really good. Same as Finding Nemo. The characters are the main strong point in western animated films. All the main characters are pretty memorable and stand out, more-so than characters in live-action films, the majority of which are pretty 2-dimensional. There are exceptions of course but really, take your typical live-action film, say an Action Thriller and the characters are pretty much 2D and generic who personality wise are indistiguishable from characters from the countless action films that appeared before. I guess with animated films, it gives the directors/writers alot more scope to make their characters so they're fun, exciting and different whereas live-action directors are kinda handicapped by "realism" You have a point. Pixar, especially recently, has been making films that feel Studio Ghibli-ish. No surprise there. One of the guys from Pixar does most of the introductions for the Disney releases of Studio Ghibli's films, and is friends with Miyazaki. Totoro was also in Toy Story 3. ;D
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