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Post by Tyfo on Jan 2, 2011 19:16:08 GMT -5
Also injury depleted Cavs are going with Mo Williams, Manny Harris, Leon Powe, Antwan Jamison, and Anthony Parker
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Post by Massive G on Jan 2, 2011 19:25:16 GMT -5
Heat give up two straight quarters of 36 points to the Warriors. Come back in the second half and don't allow them to get 36 combined. Don't poke the bear kids. It's not bear poking. It's corrupt officiating. Period. The refs took over the game in the second half and wouldn't allow the pace to pick up. There were 5 fouls called total (iirc) in the first half. The second half they called 27 fouls on the Warriors. And I'd say 20 percent of them were just bulls*** cop out fouls. I'm not an irrational fan. I'm not even really a homer, but I don't like seeing refs take over games at all. It happens far too often in the NBA, and honestly? We proved we could hang with the Heat if we played our best, which we did in the first half. The Heat certainly woke up, but taking 31 more free throws than the warriors and winning by 7? Pft. Give me a f***ing break. "corrupt officiating" is perhaps a tad strong. Calls tend to lean towards star players, thats the way its been since forever. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were 1, 2, and 3 in the league last year in made free throws, if I remember correctly. They draw fouls, lots of fouls, and the three of them accounted for all but 4 or 5 Miami attempts last night. Golden State simply doesn't have the personnel to duplicate that. The only player on their team who gets to the line at an above average rate is Ellis. Because Miami has players that do, they are built to rack up a lot of foul shots. It happens. Either that, or there's a giant conspiracy to help the Heat beat a team with 13 wins.
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Post by Viva on Jan 2, 2011 19:25:23 GMT -5
It seems to circle the teams that need it the least. The Lakers, the Celtics, the Heat. These are the teams that have proven they can win. If anything, the officiating should be harder on them. Lakers you say? These men would agree with you: LMAO. Damn right they would.
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Post by Viva on Jan 2, 2011 19:27:33 GMT -5
It's not bear poking. It's corrupt officiating. Period. The refs took over the game in the second half and wouldn't allow the pace to pick up. There were 5 fouls called total (iirc) in the first half. The second half they called 27 fouls on the Warriors. And I'd say 20 percent of them were just bulls*** cop out fouls. I'm not an irrational fan. I'm not even really a homer, but I don't like seeing refs take over games at all. It happens far too often in the NBA, and honestly? We proved we could hang with the Heat if we played our best, which we did in the first half. The Heat certainly woke up, but taking 31 more free throws than the warriors and winning by 7? Pft. Give me a f***ing break. "corrupt officiating" is perhaps a tad strong. Calls tend to lean towards star players, thats the way its been since forever. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were 1, 2, and 3 in the league last year in made free throws, if I remember correctly. They draw fouls, lots of fouls, and the three of them accounted for all but 4 or 5 Miami attempts last night. Golden State simply doesn't have the personnel to duplicate that. The only player on their team who gets to the line at an above average rate is Ellis. Because Miami has players that do, they are built to rack up a lot of foul shots. It happens. Either that, or there's a giant conspiracy to help the Heat beat a team with 13 wins. I know what the company line is. The fact is this: Because of the star power of the teams I listed before, the refs lean towards them. The NBA is a business. It makes more business sense to protect your star players. Your assets. They are the ones who put butts in the seats. It is corrupt officiating, it's not a tad strong, and I defy you to watch the game and tell me otherwise. Again, I'm not a homer. I really am not. I respect the Heat a good bit. But GSW didn't leave jack s*** on the table. The refs ripped that game out of our hands. The Heat played no defense in the first half, and we played good defense. But you're right. Halftime comes along and it's the exact reverse, to the tune of 30 fouls. We just forgot everything we were doing in the first half. I mean, justify it however you want, but it stinks like total bullshit to me.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 2, 2011 23:32:43 GMT -5
Honestly, there shouldn't be any calls that lean towards the star players. It's not a fair situation and every single player in the NBA is a professional they don't need any help from officials.
Just call the game the way it should be called and lets see who the best team really is.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Jan 2, 2011 23:53:03 GMT -5
Mavs won tonight.
I'm not excited.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 0:02:08 GMT -5
Lakers lost by double digit...AGAIN!!!
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Post by stealthamo on Jan 3, 2011 0:10:23 GMT -5
Tonight's results from the WCBA (World Championship Basketball Association):
Mongo defeated Greg Valentine. After a quick start by Valentine, it was very even throughout the match. Neither man really had an edge. Mongo hit the Mongo Spike out of nowhere to pin Valentine (New York over Indiana 98-92).
Booker T went over Disco Inferno. Inferno had a hot start, and really had control throughout the match. But a late burst of offense from Booker led to the Scissor Kick, which put Disco away (Atlanta over LA Clippers 107-98).
Sting beat Jerry Flynn. Though Sting is still battling health issues (no Garnett), his ankle appeared to be fully healed (Rondo returned). The match was even until about the halfway point, where Sting gained momentum, which he kept for the rest of the match, getting the pin after hitting the Stinger Splash (Boston over Toronto 93-79).
Lex Luger defeated Bret Hart. Luger still has various knee problems (no Dirk), but his thigh seemed to be better (Marion back). Luger was always a step ahead, thwarting any comeback attempt from Hart, making Bret tap to the Torture Rack (Dallas over Cleveland 104-95).
Ultimo Dragon went over La Parka. Ultimo always seemed to have the edge in this match, never letting La Parka gain momentum, and pulled away late, locking in the Dragon Sleeper to make La Parka tap (Portland over Houston 100-85).
Disorderly Conduct beat Rey Mysterio. Mysterio had the match in hand throughout, but allowed Disorderly Conduct to have a late comeback. Mysterio could not get any offense in, and when it looked as though he would come back, Conduct rolled him up for the surprise victory (Sacramento over Phoenix 94-89).
DDP squashed Goldberg. This was even for the first half of the match, put DDP gained some momentum, and it just snowballed. Goldberg couldn't get anything going, and succumbed to the Diamond Cutter (Memphis over LA Lakers 104-85).
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Post by Raul on Jan 3, 2011 0:13:01 GMT -5
KINGS WON ANOTHER GAME? ?? WITHOUT HAVING A 15 GAME LOSING STREAK? I AM CONFUSED BUT HAPPY.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 3, 2011 0:17:03 GMT -5
If the Lakers' woes continue till their first game against the Thunder, I think the Thunder have a very good chance against them.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jan 3, 2011 0:26:11 GMT -5
Standings so far(as of 1/1/11):
East Atlantic Sting(Boston) 25-7(1st) Mongo(New York) 19-14(6th) Bobby Eaton(Philadelphia) 13-20 Jerry Flynn(Toronto) 11-22 Glacier(New Jersey) 9-25
Central Eddie Guerrero(Chicago) 22-10(3rd) Greg Valentine(Indiana) 14-18(7th) David Arquette(Milwaukee) 13-18(8th) Nasty Boys(Detroit) 11-22 Bret Hart(Cleveland) 8-26
Southeast nWo(Miami) 26-9(2nd) The Giant(pre-nWo)(Orlando) 21-12(4th) Booker T(Atlanta) 22-14(5th) Alex Wright(Charlotte) 11-20 Juventud Guerrera(Washington) 8-24
West Southwest Randy Savage(San Antonio) 29-4(1st) Lex Luger(Dallas) 25-8(2nd) Ric Flair(New Orleans) 20-14(7th) La Parka(Houston) 16-17 DDP(Memphis) 14-20
Northwest Raven's Flock(Utah) 23-11(4th) Chris Jericho(Oklahoma City) 23-12(5th) Steiner Bros.(Denver) 19-13(6th) Ultimo Dragon(Portland) 18-16(8th) Silver King(Minnesota) 9-25
Pacific Goldberg(LA Lakers) 23-11(3rd) Rey Mysterio(Phoenix) 14-18 High Voltage(Golden State) 13-20 Disco Inferno(LA Clippers) 10-24 Disorderly Conduct(Sacramento) 7-24
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Post by Massive G on Jan 3, 2011 0:59:01 GMT -5
"corrupt officiating" is perhaps a tad strong. Calls tend to lean towards star players, thats the way its been since forever. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were 1, 2, and 3 in the league last year in made free throws, if I remember correctly. They draw fouls, lots of fouls, and the three of them accounted for all but 4 or 5 Miami attempts last night. Golden State simply doesn't have the personnel to duplicate that. The only player on their team who gets to the line at an above average rate is Ellis. Because Miami has players that do, they are built to rack up a lot of foul shots. It happens. Either that, or there's a giant conspiracy to help the Heat beat a team with 13 wins. I know what the company line is. The fact is this: Because of the star power of the teams I listed before, the refs lean towards them. The NBA is a business. It makes more business sense to protect your star players. Your assets. They are the ones who put butts in the seats. It is corrupt officiating, it's not a tad strong, and I defy you to watch the game and tell me otherwise. Again, I'm not a homer. I really am not. I respect the Heat a good bit. But GSW didn't leave jack s*** on the table. The refs ripped that game out of our hands. The Heat played no defense in the first half, and we played good defense. But you're right. Halftime comes along and it's the exact reverse, to the tune of 30 fouls. We just forgot everything we were doing in the first half. I mean, justify it however you want, but it stinks like total bulls*** to me. They "lean" that way because all great players create free throw opportunities. There is no chicanery going on in that regard; drawing fouls is a legit NBA skill, and Miami's best three players have it in spades. They have for the entirety of their careers. Its elementary statistics. I mean, look it up. I fail to see what is so confounding about this. Those three guys shoot lots of free throws. Golden State, typically, does not. There are going to be games like this. "Corrupt" insinuates that a crew of NBA officials willingly participated in a criminal conspiracy to predetermine the outcome of a professional basketball game. Yeah, that's a touch too far, considering that we're talking about the Heat, a legit NBA Finals contender, and Golden State, a lock for the lottery. Perhaps it was officiating that held Golden State to 12 points in the 3rd quarter as well. Or forced Dorell Wright to shoot 13 3 pointers, instead of trying to get an easy basket. Its an issue of style of play, and skill level. There's no man on a grassy knoll. This is all getting rather ridiculous, isn't it?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 3, 2011 2:32:43 GMT -5
Please forgive me I was wrong the other day, Blake Griffin actually had 20 straight double doubles. He extended it today to 21.
The Clippers aren't doing so great, but I don't care. There's actually something to be excited about in Clipper Nation.
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Post by MGH on Jan 3, 2011 22:12:14 GMT -5
Another great defensive effort from the Heat tonight. They hold Charlotte to quarters of 15 and 16, LeBron drops 38, and that's 18-1 since the 9-8 start.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 3, 2011 22:20:05 GMT -5
Mavs win and I am happy regardless of who it was against.
But Dallas needs Dirk back ASAP and they need to keep him healthy and start providing some consistent help with him. Butler, Kidd, Marison, and Chandler all will have to step up even with Dirk in the line-up.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 3, 2011 22:22:17 GMT -5
I know what the company line is. The fact is this: Because of the star power of the teams I listed before, the refs lean towards them. The NBA is a business. It makes more business sense to protect your star players. Your assets. They are the ones who put butts in the seats. It is corrupt officiating, it's not a tad strong, and I defy you to watch the game and tell me otherwise. Again, I'm not a homer. I really am not. I respect the Heat a good bit. But GSW didn't leave jack s*** on the table. The refs ripped that game out of our hands. The Heat played no defense in the first half, and we played good defense. But you're right. Halftime comes along and it's the exact reverse, to the tune of 30 fouls. We just forgot everything we were doing in the first half. I mean, justify it however you want, but it stinks like total bulls*** to me. They "lean" that way because all great players create free throw opportunities. There is no chicanery going on in that regard; drawing fouls is a legit NBA skill, and Miami's best three players have it in spades. They have for the entirety of their careers. Its elementary statistics. I mean, look it up. I fail to see what is so confounding about this. Those three guys shoot lots of free throws. Golden State, typically, does not. There are going to be games like this. "Corrupt" insinuates that a crew of NBA officials willingly participated in a criminal conspiracy to predetermine the outcome of a professional basketball game. Yeah, that's a touch too far, considering that we're talking about the Heat, a legit NBA Finals contender, and Golden State, a lock for the lottery. Perhaps it was officiating that held Golden State to 12 points in the 3rd quarter as well. Or forced Dorell Wright to shoot 13 3 pointers, instead of trying to get an easy basket. Its an issue of style of play, and skill level. There's no man on a grassy knoll. This is all getting rather ridiculous, isn't it? Well, to be fair he does have a point. This is the NBA and every athlete in that NBA is a professional and doesn't need help from the officials, league offices, and etc. There should be no superstar calls as it creates a massive disadvantage. I firmly believe that the league has fixed games for big market teams. But it's quite possible that the officials probably cost Golden State the game against Miami too.
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Post by Massive G on Jan 3, 2011 22:57:54 GMT -5
They "lean" that way because all great players create free throw opportunities. There is no chicanery going on in that regard; drawing fouls is a legit NBA skill, and Miami's best three players have it in spades. They have for the entirety of their careers. Its elementary statistics. I mean, look it up. I fail to see what is so confounding about this. Those three guys shoot lots of free throws. Golden State, typically, does not. There are going to be games like this. "Corrupt" insinuates that a crew of NBA officials willingly participated in a criminal conspiracy to predetermine the outcome of a professional basketball game. Yeah, that's a touch too far, considering that we're talking about the Heat, a legit NBA Finals contender, and Golden State, a lock for the lottery. Perhaps it was officiating that held Golden State to 12 points in the 3rd quarter as well. Or forced Dorell Wright to shoot 13 3 pointers, instead of trying to get an easy basket. Its an issue of style of play, and skill level. There's no man on a grassy knoll. This is all getting rather ridiculous, isn't it? Well, to be fair he does have a point. This is the NBA and every athlete in that NBA is a professional and doesn't need help from the officials, league offices, and etc. There should be no superstar calls as it creates a massive disadvantage. I firmly believe that the league has fixed games for big market teams. But it's quite possible that the officials probably cost Golden State the game against Miami too. the point is, the idea of "help" for a team or players is usually a pretty cursory conclusion to make. Stars "get calls" because they're stars, and they deserve them, the same way great pitchers get more leeway in the strike zone, or an opposing defensive end gets a penalty if he so much as sneezes on Tom Brady. This Heat team has sapped everyone's ability to think about basketball in rational terms. Fixing games? Corrupt officials? In a pointless January game? Preposterous. On another note, I'm wondering why Miami seems to start off so... lax defensively, and them clamp down after halftime. Is it a question of motivation? Or are opposing teams coming at them hard early, only to find that approach unsustainable against the Heat's superior talent?
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Post by vm88 on Jan 3, 2011 23:08:03 GMT -5
Another great defensive effort from the Heat tonight. They hold Charlotte to quarters of 15 and 16, LeBron drops 38, and that's 18-1 since the 9-8 start. Heat did good defensively tonight, but I blame tonight's win on Charlotte sucking hard in the 3rd Quarter. Just 1 FG made out of 22 attempts tonight in the 3rd. And that's why MJ's team might just be the worst team in the NBA.
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Post by stealthamo on Jan 3, 2011 23:47:58 GMT -5
Tonight's results from the WCBA (World Championship Basketball Association):
The Giant defeated High Voltage. Like in their match against the NWO, High Voltage started off strong, then completely fell off in the second half of the match. The Giant wins with the chokeslam (Orlando over Golden State 110-90).
The NWO went over Alex Wright. Wright kept it even in the first part of the match, but the NWO was too overpowering. And while it was Hogan (LeBron) that got most of the offense, Hall (Wade) finished off Wright with the Outsider's Edge (Miami over Charlotte 96-82).
Sting beat Silver King. Sting is still having right calf problems (no Garnett), and it showed. King really had the edge for most of the match-up, but Sting gutted it out and showed why he is a contender for the championship, making Silver King submit to the Scorpion Death Lock (Boston over Minnesota 96-93).
Ric Flair defeated Bobby Eaton. After an even first half of the match, Flair took control midway through the match, and held off a late comeback from Eaton. Flair made even tap out to the Figure Four (New Orleans over Philadelphia 84-77).
The Steiner Bros. went over La Parka. This high-octane contest was even throughout, and only late did the Steiners' two on one advantage really pay off. The Steiners got the pin following the Steinerizer (Denver over Houston 113-106).
Raven's Flock beat The Nasty Boys. Similar to the previous contest, no team ever had an advantage, but the numbers game proved to be the difference, as the Flock was just too much. Raven pinned Sags following the DDT (Utah over Detroit 102-97).
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jan 4, 2011 0:17:37 GMT -5
Standings so far(as of 1/3/11):
East Atlantic Sting(Boston) 26-7(1st) Mongo(New York) 19-14(6th) Bobby Eaton(Philadelphia) 13-21 Jerry Flynn(Toronto) 11-22 Glacier(New Jersey) 9-25
Central Eddie Guerrero(Chicago) 22-10(3rd) Greg Valentine(Indiana) 14-18(7th) David Arquette(Milwaukee) 13-18(8th) Nasty Boys(Detroit) 11-23 Bret Hart(Cleveland) 8-26
Southeast nWo(Miami) 27-9(2nd) The Giant(pre-nWo)(Orlando) 22-12(4th) Booker T(Atlanta) 22-14(5th) Alex Wright(Charlotte) 11-21 Juventud Guerrera(Washington) 8-24
West Southwest Randy Savage(San Antonio) 29-4(1st) Lex Luger(Dallas) 25-8(2nd) Ric Flair(New Orleans) 21-14(7th) La Parka(Houston) 16-18 DDP(Memphis) 14-20
Northwest Raven's Flock(Utah) 24-11(3rd) Chris Jericho(Oklahoma City) 23-12(5th) Steiner Bros.(Denver) 20-13(6th) Ultimo Dragon(Portland) 18-16(8th) Silver King(Minnesota) 9-26
Pacific Goldberg(LA Lakers) 23-11(4th) Rey Mysterio(Phoenix) 14-18 High Voltage(Golden State) 13-21 Disco Inferno(LA Clippers) 10-24 Disorderly Conduct(Sacramento) 7-24
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