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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 16, 2011 18:35:54 GMT -5
Isn't that what's Rap about? Stealing music and then putting some s***ty rap over it? I mean from Run DMCs rape of Walk this Way to 2Pac's Changes it's been always like this since the 80's, thoughout the 90's until now. Sometime in the 90's some rap guy even used the Knight Rider Theme for a rap song...  People should just accept that Rap isn't the most creative genre in music. (I still laugh about 2002 when Jay Z and Xzibit used Africa from Toto, two different crap rap lyrics but the same music and Nas used it already in 1999 - doesn't it get boring to get the same music over and over again?) The short answer to your question is no. The long answer is "Hell, Yeah!"  |
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Post by Orange on Jan 16, 2011 18:54:39 GMT -5
Rap has always been rapping over somebody else's work. Unless you're RZA. Honestly samples and all that. Justin Bieber's new song is catchy though. This, sooooooooooo much. One of the main points of (some, not all) rap is the use of sampling, Tupac did it, Biggie did it, Dre did it, Eminem does it, everybody does and has sampled. Nothing new at all, and sometimes the use of the sample can introduce somebody to a new song. For example, I never knew the hook in "Young Forever" by Jay Z was sampled, so it does more good than harm IMO. |
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 16, 2011 18:55:19 GMT -5
All this crappy remix stuff is irritating. The one that made me about homicidal was the mash up of Jingle Bells and the Madness Our House song around Christmas for Verizon.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 16, 2011 18:57:41 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with sampling, when done right. Paul's Boutique from the Beastie Boys is a masterpiece, and they probably sampled over 100 songs in it. But just stealing another song and adding a different beat to it is awful.
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Post by Cela on Jan 16, 2011 18:58:37 GMT -5
Eh, Kanye has rapped over other people's work in every song he has produced, and yet he is considered a "musical genius." Whenever I bring up my objection to this, I am considered an "asshole."
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Post by Orange on Jan 16, 2011 19:04:12 GMT -5
All this crappy remix stuff is irritating. The one that made me about homicidal was the mash up of Jingle Bells and the Madness Our House song around Christmas for Verizon. Can't agree more, just makes you go WTF?! Also Hershey's use of "Melt With You" as a Christmas-esque song with their Christmas commercials, really? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 19:08:23 GMT -5
Rap has always been rapping over somebody else's work. Unless you're RZA. Honestly samples and all that. Justin Bieber's new song is catchy though. This, sooooooooooo much. One of the main points of (some, not all) rap is the use of sampling, Tupac did it, Biggie did it, Dre did it, Eminem does it, everybody does and has sampled. Nothing new at all, and sometimes the use of the sample can introduce somebody to a new song. For example, I never knew the hook in "Young Forever" by Jay Z was sampled, so it does more good than harm IMO. "Unless you're RZA"? What does that mean? He is one of the heaviest samplers in hip hop history. Anyways, I think sampling gets looked down on unfairly by the majority of people. Sure, it gets used a lot, but there are a ton of producers who have made a career for themselves without using samples in their work. How is sampling different than a band using the same I-IV-V chord progression as another band? Samples are usually used as a small part of a larger picture that is unique to the artist. Also, I saw a post here regarding Kanye West. The reason he's considered a "musical genius" is because he is one. |
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 16, 2011 19:19:24 GMT -5
It's called lack of creative ability or originality.
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Post by shadowangel on Jan 16, 2011 20:02:48 GMT -5
Anyways, I think sampling gets looked down on unfairly by the majority of people. Sure, it gets used a lot, but there are a ton of producers who have made a career for themselves without using samples in their work. How is sampling different than a band using the same I-IV-V chord progression as another band? Samples are usually used as a small part of a larger picture that is unique to the artist. There's just a difference between "loading a song in ProTools, adding more bass and rapping some stuff over it" (which basically is the way the "sampling business" works) and "A Band creating music from scratch". I just say it's a lot more challenging to create music on instruments in a band, several people trying to create something, unlike 1-3 guys sitting around playing on a PC. If you have to sample stuff, at least make it interesting and try to be creative. Like NWA did for example, not like those other guys do, just taking a song, rapping over it and call it a new song. (And if you have to copy the music directly, try to be creative with the lyrics like Weird Al Yankovic and not having the same "Ghetto life & Drugs" lyrics over and over and over again) Also, I saw a post here regarding Kanye West. The reason he's considered a "musical genius" is because he is one. I don't know if he's a genius, it's doubtful. The media likes to hype people and everyone who sells 10 albums today is considered a great musician, if he achieves that 3 times in a row, he's a genius. The interesting answer will be: Will Kanye West be remembered in 30 years? (if he continues to live that long of course) Will people talk about him, will they still buy his albums? It's easy to get big for a short span of time and only a few musicians have a long lasting staying power. If we talk about black musicians: Marvin Gaye was a genius, Norman Whitfield was a genius in songwriting, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Booker T. Jones...would you really put Kanye West in a row next to these guys? I surely wouldn't, because they were many steps ahead of him and just had it a lot more difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 20:20:54 GMT -5
Anyways, I think sampling gets looked down on unfairly by the majority of people. Sure, it gets used a lot, but there are a ton of producers who have made a career for themselves without using samples in their work. How is sampling different than a band using the same I-IV-V chord progression as another band? Samples are usually used as a small part of a larger picture that is unique to the artist. There's just a difference between "loading a song in ProTools, adding more bass and rapping some stuff over it" (which basically is the way the "sampling business" works) and "A Band creating music from scratch". I just say it's a lot more challenging to create music on instruments in a band, several people trying to create something, unlike 1-3 guys sitting around playing on a PC. If you have to sample stuff, at least make it interesting and try to be creative. Like NWA did for example, not like those other guys do, just taking a song, rapping over it and call it a new song. (And if you have to copy the music directly, try to be creative with the lyrics like Weird Al Yankovic and not having the same "Ghetto life & Drugs" lyrics over and over and over again) Also, I saw a post here regarding Kanye West. The reason he's considered a "musical genius" is because he is one. I don't know if he's a genius, it's doubtful. The media likes to hype people and everyone who sells 10 albums today is considered a great musician, if he achieves that 3 times in a row, he's a genius. The interesting answer will be: Will Kanye West be remembered in 30 years? (if he continues to live that long of course) Will people talk about him, will they still buy his albums? It's easy to get big for a short span of time and only a few musicians have a long lasting staying power. If we talk about black musicians: Marvin Gaye was a genius, Norman Whitfield was a genius in songwriting, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Booker T. Jones...would you really put Kanye West in a row next to these guys? I surely wouldn't, because they were many steps ahead of him and just had it a lot more difficult. But what I'm trying to say is that more often than not, sampling ISN'T how you described it. It's not as common as you think for someone to take an entire song and then add drums to it or whatever. Also, a band may be creating music "from scratch"? But how often has what they're doing been used before? That's the point I'm trying to make. Kanye WILL be considered great 30 years from now. I'm sure of it. He's done amazing things for hip-hop and has been one of the most popular artists in music since 2004. Writing him off as someone who is just famous now is short-sighted. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jan 17, 2011 0:26:33 GMT -5
Isn't that what's Rap about? Stealing music and then putting some s***ty rap over it? I mean from Run DMCs rape of Walk this Way to 2Pac's Changes it's been always like this since the 80's, thoughout the 90's until now. Sometime in the 90's some rap guy even used the Knight Rider Theme for a rap song... People should just accept that Rap isn't the most creative genre in music. (I still laugh about 2002 when Jay Z and Xzibit used Africa from Toto, two different crap rap lyrics but the same music and Nas used it already in 1999 - doesn't it get boring to get the same music over and over again?) Ummm yeah.. that was Busta Rhymes, who is pretty well respected actually. My fav song he did actually used the guitar riff from Iron Man... and featured Ozzy on backing vocals: Language warning on both. I think people need to understand where rap came from to really "get" sampling. Rap originated with people either a) freestyling to no music at all or b)freestyling over records that DJs played and mixed. That's just the history of the genre. Inner city kids couldn't afford instruments and a full band, but they COULD scrape together the cash for a turntable. It's a style that was born out of necessity, not lack of creativity. |
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Post by rrm15 on Jan 17, 2011 0:33:12 GMT -5
I just can't hate this. Not at all. I love rap and I'm a Jay-Z fan, but that song f***ing blows. |
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 17, 2011 0:51:31 GMT -5
This isn't a new phenomenon, I remember Puff Daddy had a string of hits rapping over 80's songs right after Notorious BIG died.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 17, 2011 1:06:32 GMT -5
All this crappy remix stuff is irritating. The one that made me about homicidal was the mash up of Jingle Bells and the Madness Our House song around Christmas for Verizon. Oh god yes. Was watching a Raw stream, heard that, and raged. It's bad enough that America was unappreciative enough of Madness that Our House was their only hit over there, but to have people drawling Christmas songs over it? It's just... Blasphemy. |
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Post by Dean-o on Jan 17, 2011 1:15:55 GMT -5
I actually like when they mix in classic songs from the 70s or 80s. Some are done better then others, but come on, listen to Cam'Ron - The Bigger Picture and tell me that's not a sick beat. Is somebody really going to care because they sampled a forgotten song from who knows when? And even if it's a well known band/song, I like when they find a way to mix it with a hip/hop beat.
Hell, probably half of Diddy's first solo album is samples. Do they take away from the original? Not at all in my opinion.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jan 17, 2011 1:46:28 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a biiiiiiiig difference between sampling and just using the same backing and maybe a different drum beat. Hell if there's a problem with sampling other songs than industrial bands must be shit as well (granted they usually warp the sample to the point where it sounds nothing like the original). Anyways, I like sample cuz it puts a new spin on an already existing song, listen to that new Kanye song (not a big fan of him tbh) where he sampled King Crimson, it's pretty f***in awesome. sorry if that came off as rambling, I'm a lil drunk
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