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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 27, 2010 23:28:58 GMT -5
Punk is not a failed stable leader. The problem with SES is that they weren't given any meanigful wins, feuds, or any good promo time in order to look threatening. They lost a match and then proceeded to do the typical beat down. I think they realize Punk is great at generating heat and it should rub off on the rest of Nexus. It was also based on the idea that not drinking or using drugs made you a weak minded a-hole. This works a lot better, as it's a bunch of guys who have been beat down and are aimless now, and now have a single-minded purpose again. We'll have to let it play out, but I've got a good feeling about the next few months.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 27, 2010 23:29:27 GMT -5
Look, if Punk does the exact same thing Barrett did, with the same vague, ineffectual promos about bigger pictures that never come to fruition, with the identical beat-downs week after week, yeah, it's gonna suck.
But why automatically assume it's gonna be that way? Just because the writers tend to be stupid? They may have Punk utilize Nexus in a completely different way. Where Barrett was straightforward and thuggish, Punk is cerebral and sadistic. It stands to reason that he's not in this for the same reasons Barrett was, and won't lead in the same fashion. If he really is "the bigger picture", then the game ought to be changing as of now, shouldn't it?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2010 23:29:34 GMT -5
Maybe Nexus is a part of the mind games from Punk? This is gonna be a big feud and its gonna need some weight to carry it for a couple of months. There will be more twists and turns I'm thinking. I would love to think that but seriously...this is the WWE. Every time this happens everyone says "wait and see". What end up happening? The angle sucks. If they screwed up potentially one of the best angles ever in the original Nexus, what makes you think this one will be any better? Look at the track record. All signs point to major suckage. I do agree with you. Hence why I sincerely hope they don't screw this up, but as you said, the track record says otherwise and doesn't leave me with an optimistic perception of the angle or the product. So let's keep our expectations low and enjoy the last awesome image of Punk to end 2010.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Dec 27, 2010 23:30:03 GMT -5
Maybe Nexus is a part of the mind games from Punk? This is gonna be a big feud and its gonna need some weight to carry it for a couple of months. There will be more twists and turns I'm thinking. I would love to think that but seriously...this is the WWE. Every time this happens everyone says "wait and see". What end up happening? The angle sucks. If they screwed up potentially one of the best angles ever in the original Nexus, what makes you think this one will be any better? Look at the track record. All signs point to major suckage. Well I share your cautious view for sure, but if WWE didn't keep going with making Punk a manipulator or whatever I'd be amazed, the stars are aligned for it. They didn't screw up the Nexus in my opinion, it was a strong angle that ran through a good 6 month period, the only problem with it was the last month. Maybe this is them trying to bring life back into Nexus but also boost the Punk/Cena feud.
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Post by theshowstoppa on Dec 27, 2010 23:30:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed the fact when they all raised their fists. We've finally got the New Nation.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 27, 2010 23:30:48 GMT -5
Punk is not a failed stable leader. The problem with SES is that they weren't given any meanigful wins, feuds, or any good promo time in order to look threatening. They lost a match and then proceeded to do the typical beat down. I think they realize Punk is great at generating heat and it should rub off on the rest of Nexus. When your stable loses countless handicap matches, some of which are 3 on 1, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say you're a failed stable leader.
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Post by LONG ISLAND's OWN vinnypic on Dec 27, 2010 23:31:37 GMT -5
Punk staring at the armband then putting it on was a tremendous visual. That facet was very compelling and well done. Yeah, it was perfect. Punk is the man!! OMGZ JUST BECAUSE IT HAS PUNKS NAME INVOLVED IT MEANS ITS GOOD....or something like that I uh... bah... :: brain goes poof :: I can't tell who you're being sarcastic to, lol.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Dec 27, 2010 23:31:59 GMT -5
i liked the ending...im kinda laugh though with alot of people going "but the nexus isnt even a threat anymore" to some people Nexus arent a threat...however...WWE has the Mr. Krabs mentality we have a group of people who beat up cener...the kiddies will buy it all...boo the nexus...and then...THEN.. MONEY!!!!! ALL THE KIDS WILL BEG THERE MOMMIES FOR MORE CENA SHIRTS!!! AND THE BEST PART!! THE REBELS WILL BUY NEXUS SHIRTS!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Dec 27, 2010 23:32:07 GMT -5
I don't think people are giving CM Punk's role as a well-established heel/former World Champion enough credit with regards to this storyline. He friggin just won the Slammy for 'most despicable heel' a few weeks ago, even!
As we saw with Punk pallin' up with King Sheamus, and easily earning leadership of the entire Nexus, Punk has potential to be the worst enemy Super Cena and the Cenation have ever faced. In between brilliant heel promos on the crowd about their non-straight-edge vices and their blind support of the un-funny and hypocritical Cena, Punk can open the floodgates for more heels (who are being wasted on Superstars and in between the midcard title scene) to join the ranks of Nexus and make it more legit.
King Sheamus as a Nexus lieutenant? Melina and Maryse as the female tag team of Nexus? Chavo and Gabriel as the de facto spotfest-filled, lightweight tag-team of the group? A chance to pull off the InVasion angle the right way this time with a slow-burn Wrestlemania storyline (beginning with a Nexus plan to get CM Punk a Royal Rumble win against the WWE faithful and Cena)?
The sky's the limit with CM Punk in the driver seat of Nexus over Barrett.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Dec 27, 2010 23:32:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it was perfect. Punk is the man!! OMGZ JUST BECAUSE IT HAS PUNKS NAME INVOLVED IT MEANS ITS GOOD....or something like that I uh... bah... :: brain goes poof :: I can't tell who you're being sarcastic to, lol. Haha not you that is for sure. I totally agree, I thought it was perfect imagery, Punk's mannerisms were spot on.
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Post by Greer on Dec 27, 2010 23:33:38 GMT -5
Look, if Punk does the exact same thing Barrett did, with the same vague, ineffectual promos about bigger pictures that never come to fruition, with the identical beat-downs week after week, yeah, it's gonna suck. But why automatically assume it's gonna be that way? Just because the writers tend to be stupid? They may have Punk utilize Nexus in a completely different way. Where Barrett was straightforward and thuggish, Punk is cerebral and sadistic. It stands to reason that he's not in this for the same reasons Barrett was, and won't lead in the same fashion. If he really is "the bigger picture", then the game ought to be changing as of now, shouldn't it? Why assume it's gonna be that way? Well, because it always ends up being that way. These writers have no idea how to book anything. These guys would have booked Andre/Hogan three weeks in a row on free TV right before Mania III. They are clueless when it comes to build up and suspense. Spoiler folks: Cena wins.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 27, 2010 23:34:08 GMT -5
Agreed. BTW Greer, nice to see you're posting again. Thanks dude. Would have been posting again sooner. Didn't know the board moved. That's a fairly new thing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2010 23:34:11 GMT -5
Punk is not a failed stable leader. The problem with SES is that they weren't given any meanigful wins, feuds, or any good promo time in order to look threatening. They lost a match and then proceeded to do the typical beat down. I think they realize Punk is great at generating heat and it should rub off on the rest of Nexus. When your stable loses countless handicap matches, some of which are 3 on 1, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say you're a failed stable leader. But it's not him though, it was the stupid decisions of Vince and "creative" who made them look useless. They definitely should've been booked to look more efficient, strong, intelligent, and organized. I won't blame Punk for that as the WWE didn't know what they were doing with them.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 27, 2010 23:36:21 GMT -5
When your stable loses countless handicap matches, some of which are 3 on 1, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say you're a failed stable leader. But it's not him though, it was the stupid decisions of Vince and "creative" who made them look useless. They definitely should've been booked to look more efficient, strong, intelligent, and organized. I won't blame Punk for that as the WWE didn't know what they were doing with them. Of course because wrestling is fake. In the context of the narrative, Punk is an ineffectual stable leader and Nexus is an incompetent stable.
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Post by Greer on Dec 27, 2010 23:38:09 GMT -5
To those who think Nexus wasn't a failed stable...
go to YouTube and search "1996 nWo".
That is how a stable is booked.
Your stable shouldn't be destroyed week in and week out by one guy and chased out of the building by your mid card jobbers right from the start.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2010 23:40:17 GMT -5
But it's not him though, it was the stupid decisions of Vince and "creative" who made them look useless. They definitely should've been booked to look more efficient, strong, intelligent, and organized. I won't blame Punk for that as the WWE didn't know what they were doing with them. Of course because wrestling is fake. In the context of the narrative, Punk is an ineffectual stable leader and Nexus is an incompetent stable. I see your point, I really do. But if the WWE is serious about the whole youth movement deal then perhaps they will be strong stable. Personally when I think of how Nexus started I thought of the nWo.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Dec 27, 2010 23:40:42 GMT -5
To those who think Nexus wasn't a failed stable... go to YouTube and search "1996 nWo". That is how a stable is booked. Your stable shouldn't be destroyed week in and week out by one guy and chased out of the building by your mid card jobbers right from the start. i see the follow up to "the biggest moment in wrestling history" with hogan turning heel....had no follow up on that nitro...he wasnt even at the show...i imagine if this forum were around back then it will be full of "what the hell was that?? you have hogan turn heel and only follow it up with nash and hall talking infront of a car??? this angle is already botched!!! they needed hogan in that huge moment and they failed"
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 27, 2010 23:42:30 GMT -5
Of course because wrestling is fake. In the context of the narrative, Punk is an ineffectual stable leader and Nexus is an incompetent stable. I see your point, I really do. But if the WWE is serious about the whole youth movement deal then perhaps they will be strong stable. Personally when I think of how Nexus started I thought of the nWo. If that was their intention they would have done it the first time. There was nothing to stop them from doing so, and there's no sign that anything's changed.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Dec 27, 2010 23:44:59 GMT -5
To those who think Nexus wasn't a failed stable... go to YouTube and search "1996 nWo". That is how a stable is booked. Your stable shouldn't be destroyed week in and week out by one guy and chased out of the building by your mid card jobbers right from the start. i see the follow up to "the biggest moment in wrestling history" with hogan turning heel....had no follow up on that nitro...he wasnt even at the show...i imagine if this forum were around back then it will be full of "what the hell was that?? you have hogan turn heel and only follow it up with nash and hall talking infront of a car??? this angle is already botched!!! they needed hogan in that huge moment and they failed" You don't miss a beat do you? I agree with Greer in the sense that the nWo angle is where to look for successful stable storylines.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 27, 2010 23:45:46 GMT -5
To those who think Nexus wasn't a failed stable... go to YouTube and search "1996 nWo". That is how a stable is booked. Your stable shouldn't be destroyed week in and week out by one guy and chased out of the building by your mid card jobbers right from the start. To be fair, Heath Slater was able to outrun Mark Henry with no problem. Heath's pretty spry.
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