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Post by percymania on Dec 24, 2010 13:46:17 GMT -5
I little bit of both options, if you ask me.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 24, 2010 13:48:04 GMT -5
This is the "It's not you, it's me" of the wrestling biz I'm sure.
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Post by the zookeepah! on Dec 24, 2010 13:50:01 GMT -5
I find it funny how "Creative" can find something for David Otunga to do, yet can't find anything for a top talent like Kaval. Competitive matches with Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, Kofi Kingston would have been a start. Just goes to show you, WWE would rather push a D-List celebrity over somebody with actual talent, I'm sick of it.
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 24, 2010 13:53:41 GMT -5
It is a stock reason that cannot get them sued.
You cannot tell Maria that she is getting fired for finding other, non-wrestling work on her off days.
You cannot tell Christy Hemme that she is being fired so that she doesn't try to have an affair with HHH (or at least those were the rumors).
You cannot tell Sylvain Grenier that he is getting fired because doing Pat Paterson no longer will secure a job since he is losing his as well.
You cannot tell Rebecca Pietro that she is getting fired because Batista is tired of her. For that matter, you cannot tell Shelley Martinez that she is getting fired because Batista does not like her.
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Post by Skeptical Mind on Dec 24, 2010 13:56:46 GMT -5
Most people in this thread are looking at the phrase "Creative has nothing for you" wrong. Professional writers, even bad ones, can come up with something to fit any scenario. If a producer wants to introduce five new actors into a TV series, any competent team of writers could make that happen a hundred different ways.
What the WWE really means is that there is no role for a wrestler to play in the current show environment. From what I understand, the WWE uses the term "Creative" to refer to both the writers and the bookers, so basically what they are saying is "we can't think of any way we want to use this guy".
It's not a matter of Creative sitting around and going "Wow, can you believe we can't think of a single thing for Curt Hawkins to do?" Like someone mentioned earlier, it's easy to come up with any number of scenarios to accomplish these things. It's a matter of whether the WWE wants to do anything with him.
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Post by corndog on Dec 24, 2010 14:24:00 GMT -5
I think it is a creative problem, but that mainly directed at the head of creative himself, Vince McMahon. Look at the original ECW, Heyman found ways to use plenty of guys Vince either misused or didn't care to use. Heck even TNA made Elijah Burke, a pretty bland wrestling in the WWE, the Pope. Unfortunately TNA only has so many roster spots for ex-WWE employees and ROH isn't able to support the rest.
I don't honestly think it isn't that the creative team can't think of an angle or character for most of their wrestlers. It is just that either they are overseeing alot of things and/or Vince simply doesn't care for the wrestler himself.
The worst part is they have FCW and I am sure they have seen videos on the wrestlers they plan to sign. The fact that they would call up wrestlers from FCW and sign them in the first place with no plans in place is ridiculous. Especially someone they would have win their kayfabe reality show.
With all of the releases in the last 6 months I truely think Vince has lost his mind. He will bring someone in with alot of hope and then job them out and not understand why they aren't over? Also he doesn't give half of them the time or means to get over in the first place. Hopefully HHH will think through his decisions alot more and not be so quick to react. From stories that have been on this board about Vince he seems like an extremely impulsive person and that is the reason he is so hard to work with.
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Post by mikey_editor on Dec 24, 2010 14:24:54 GMT -5
Anyone. Talk about a group0 that needs to be dumped and remade: Creative
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Post by maximilian on Dec 24, 2010 16:38:42 GMT -5
Creative has nothing for anyone right now save Cena, Miz, Rey, and del Rio. Everyone else is just there.
I don't expect things to improve until Vince is out of the picture, at which point Triple H will take over and almost certainly get rid of the writers and end this futile quest for mainstream acceptance.
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Jeremy
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Post by Jeremy on Dec 24, 2010 16:42:37 GMT -5
As has been said, Creative has something for anyone, doesn't mean those in power want to use that idea.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 24, 2010 16:55:36 GMT -5
Creative has nothing for anyone right now save Cena, Miz, Rey, and del Rio. Everyone else is just there. I don't expect things to improve until Vince is out of the picture, at which point Triple H will take over and almost certainly get rid of the writers and end this futile quest for mainstream acceptance. Do you really think Triple H would change the direction of the company radically?
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 24, 2010 19:50:42 GMT -5
Its like when home depot wants to get rid of someone, they say"you're not 'Home Depot' material" as the reason for termination.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 24, 2010 20:22:27 GMT -5
Option #2 on the poll. It would be one thing to "have nothing", but having TV exposure means you're always doing something. For Kaval, I believe there's a sneaky suspicion that perhaps he was called unsafe to work with.
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Post by 8-BitAssassin on Dec 24, 2010 20:50:10 GMT -5
It's definitely a bs excuse, but sometimes the truth is something that we have no business knowing, as juicy as those tidbits of gossip might be.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 25, 2010 11:59:55 GMT -5
I've always wondered why it's the wrestler who gets fired when "creative" "has nothing for them" Surely it's "creatives" job to erm, be creative and actually think of something for a wrestler to do. If they can't do it then get shot of the "creative" team and don't punish the wrestler for their mistakes. That's what I don't get at all. Creative: We can't think of anything good for Kaval, sir.. Vince: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING?! Creative: *shaking* I'm sorry sir.. Vince: SORRY ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT, I WANT KAVAL FIRED IMMEDIATELY! *storms out* Creative: ...
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 25, 2010 12:17:20 GMT -5
You want something for these other guys to do? Bring back the cruiserweight title for the lighter guys or have a "Superstars" TV title that a wrestler from either brand could compete for.
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 25, 2010 12:25:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry, in no possible dimension (alternate or otherwise) does Vince McMahon yell at his creative team for not finding things for f***ing Kaval to do. It's likely he doesn't have a fricking clue who Kaval is.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 25, 2010 12:39:52 GMT -5
I've always wondered why it's the wrestler who gets fired when "creative" "has nothing for them" Surely it's "creatives" job to erm, be creative and actually think of something for a wrestler to do. If they can't do it then get shot of the "creative" team and don't punish the wrestler for their mistakes. That's what I don't get at all. Creative: We can't think of anything good for Kaval, sir.. Vince: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING?! Creative: *shaking* I'm sorry sir.. Vince: SORRY ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT, I WANT KAVAL FIRED IMMEDIATELY! *storms out* Creative: ... Which is really why I can't buy it as a reason. It's illogical at it's most basic reasoning, and the fact that it's so common of an excuse that it's not terribly logical for me to be true. If Vince really wanted somebody to be used, they'd be used, even if creative was staffed by a bunch of mannequins
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Post by Dragonfly on Dec 25, 2010 15:31:52 GMT -5
Speaking as a person who has written wrestling, it's not as easy as it looks. The following factors also come into play:
1) The writer does not have complete control over who is pushed. I, for example, wanted to push Ted Dibiase Jr. (This was before he was signed by the WWE, obviously.) He was working for one of Dale's affiliate promotions at the time, and I felt that we could draw a crowd due to his name alone. Dale turned it down flat, as didn't want to deal with the Dibiase family. I tried arguing with him, but his mind was set.
2) The wrestlers have to deal with management, too. About mid-way through my tenure, I was asked to interview a somewhat notable name from the Wisconsin (and, on occasion, Missouri) indy scene. Goofy name aside, I loved the guy. He always answered my email, was receptive for my ideas, and generally was a dream to work with. He also wasn't bad in the ring. Then suddenly, without warning, I was told that we were done working with him. See, Dale heard a rumor that he was getting looks from the WWE, got pissed, and cut ties with him completely. Dale never brought him back, even after the WWE rumors were proven to be unfounded. It's a shame too... I had some big plans for the guy.
3) Management, unlike basketballs, does hold grudges. In my year with Dale, I had to scrap three storylines completely due to the fact that he and one his partners had a falling out. When the partner leaves, all of the partner's talent leaves as well. I was then stuck working with a bunch guys that I wasn't familiar with.
4) The boss gets what the boss wants. Dale was high on... Let's refer to him as the brother/tag team partner of a fairly well known East Coast talent. For reasons unknown, Dale wanted to push this guy as a singles wrestler, not as a part of a tag team. Furthermore, he wanted him to be pushed as his nerdy alter ego, a character that no one, aside from Dale and the wrestler himself, found funny. To top it off, he, unlike his brother, was a giant pain in the ass that kept ignoring my emails. Still, I had to have a constant stream of stuff for the guy, as that was what the boss wanted.
5) Writers are human, too. Nothing against anyone, but there are some guys that I was just not "feeling." The same thing happens in any television show when the writing staff changes - some characters get written out or slowly fade into the background, while others become more important. That's just the nature of writing.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 25, 2010 16:06:06 GMT -5
I think it's just an excuse. I refuse to believe that with as many writers WWE has, they can't come up with an angle for a wrestler. If they really, REALLY can't, they need to be canned. Any one of us can be given the name of a wrestler that's not being used at the moment and pull an angle out of our arse in less than five minutes.
For all the crap Vince Russo's gotten, at least when he was with WWF he always had a job for every guy on the roster. Even if he didn't like said wrestler, he had a spot for them. (That means you Faarooq and Bradshaw.)
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Jeremy
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Post by Jeremy on Dec 25, 2010 16:09:04 GMT -5
Vince can't be held responsible for creative finding nothing for Kaval, he is personally looking after several superstars and creative projects for them. Like that Akio fellow.
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