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Post by comahan on Dec 18, 2010 23:51:39 GMT -5
The two highlight angles in the independents this year, both having been recently blown off in grand fashion, which did you prefer?
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Post by Starshine on Dec 18, 2010 23:54:09 GMT -5
BDK was ass.
Steen/Generico on the otherhand was frickin' epic. Also they never delivered a bad match together, and that is amazing in itself.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 18, 2010 23:55:38 GMT -5
BDK vs. CHIKARA
I don't doubt that Steen/Generico was a great emotional roller coaster, but BDK/CHIKARA felt genuinely like a comic book storyline, with plot twists and character turns and magic articfacts and Finnish super beings.
Steen/Generico might have had a better pay off, however.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 23:58:35 GMT -5
Steen/Generico.
BDK vs. CHIKARA had a slow build and a boring beginning, but definitely picked up as time went on. Steen vs. Generico on the other hand was the reason I kept coming back to ROH, just to see how this feud would play out, and it's been awesome since Steen told Generico he hated his f***ing guts.
I haven't seen both payoffs (and I will), but reports have me believing that Steen/Generico tonight was off the hook.
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Post by Bald Bull on Dec 19, 2010 0:10:10 GMT -5
BDK is the worst thing Chikara has ever done. It turned me off of the product.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 19, 2010 0:15:32 GMT -5
BDK is the worst thing Chikara has ever done. I know you can't see it, but I'm glaring at this statement as hard as I can. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 19, 2010 0:25:21 GMT -5
BDK is the worst thing Chikara has ever done. It turned me off of the product. Amen. Seriously I get into the company in 2009 and things are really catching my interest. Colourful characters and interesting feuds and storylines. But then suddenly GERMAN INVADERS(!) who always win because they've got Lince Dorado and Pinkie Sanchez on their team or something. They've also got a guy on their team running the company for them. How? Who cares, they're GERMAN INVADERS(!) we don't need to explain it. They have some sort of magical new move that is impossible to escape from. Hey Quack, why not teach your guys how to use it to their advantage? And the big angle regarding that talisman ends with them using it in exactly the same way Mantis used it? Oooooooooookay... It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't taken up every feud going on in the company. But apart from that there was what? Osirina Portal vs. UnStable? Jeez, way to book yourself so thin. |
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Post by Classy Lady on Dec 19, 2010 0:31:45 GMT -5
BDK is the worst thing Chikara has ever done. I know you can't see it, but I'm glaring at this statement as hard as I can. Seriously. Things worse than the BDK 1. DJ Skittlez 2. Incognito 3. Everything Lince did on his own, ever |
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 19, 2010 0:33:30 GMT -5
BDK is the worst thing Chikara has ever done. It turned me off of the product. Amen. Seriously I get into the company in 2009 and things are really catching my interest. Colourful characters and interesting feuds and storylines. But then suddenly GERMAN INVADERS(!) who always win because they've got Lince Dorado and Pinkie Sanchez on their team or something. They've also got a guy on their team running the company for them. How? Who cares, they're GERMAN INVADERS(!) we don't need to explain it. They have some sort of magical new move that is impossible to escape from. Hey Quack, why not teach your guys how to use it to their advantage? And the big angle regarding that talisman ends with them using it in exactly the same way Mantis used it? Oooooooooookay... It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't taken up every feud going on in the company. But apart from that there was what? Osirina Portal vs. UnStable? Jeez, way to book yourself so thin. So instead of paying attention to the storyline or trying to find out more about the company so that you could know how the feud worked, you dropped the company altogether because you didn't have a little patience and couldn't be bothered to even find out more about the characters or how the company works. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 19, 2010 0:35:37 GMT -5
Amen. Seriously I get into the company in 2009 and things are really catching my interest. Colourful characters and interesting feuds and storylines. But then suddenly GERMAN INVADERS(!) who always win because they've got Lince Dorado and Pinkie Sanchez on their team or something. They've also got a guy on their team running the company for them. How? Who cares, they're GERMAN INVADERS(!) we don't need to explain it. They have some sort of magical new move that is impossible to escape from. Hey Quack, why not teach your guys how to use it to their advantage? And the big angle regarding that talisman ends with them using it in exactly the same way Mantis used it? Oooooooooookay... It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't taken up every feud going on in the company. But apart from that there was what? Osirina Portal vs. UnStable? Jeez, way to book yourself so thin. So instead of paying attention to the storyline or trying to find out more about the company so that you could know how the feud worked, you dropped the company altogether because you didn't have a little patience and couldn't be bothered to even find out more about the characters or how the company works. Alright, if you could explain some of my grievances I'd be happy to listen. |
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 19, 2010 0:38:09 GMT -5
Believe it or not, it has its own wiki page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruderschaft_des_KreuzesThere you can find EVERYTHING about the feud, from its humble beginnings (back in 2007!) to everyone's reasons for joining the BDK. Its...its a bit of a read, I won't lie. |
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Post by Bake Or Die on Dec 19, 2010 0:47:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't even consider the Chikara/BDK storyline over. Just because the BDK was defeated(Except for Donst) at the season finale doesn't mean it's over.
BDK vs. CHIKARA
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Post by comahan on Dec 19, 2010 0:52:57 GMT -5
Youre right, I probably should have said 'climaxed in grand fashion' instead of 'blown off in grand fashion'.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 19, 2010 0:59:49 GMT -5
Believe it or not, it has its own wiki page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruderschaft_des_KreuzesThere you can find EVERYTHING about the feud, from its humble beginnings (back in 2007!) to everyone's reasons for joining the BDK. Its...its a bit of a read, I won't lie. Few questions. - It doesn't explain how BDK managed to get an obviously biased guy into the position of head of CHIKARA. It just states it happened because the prior head was replaced. - Why did only the BDK use the highly effective Inverted CHIKARA special if Quackenbush taught it to Donst. - Why were the group so dominant for so long? While they had numbers advantage it rarely came into prevalence until later on when they'd do the pre-match beatdown and use of the bias ref. I don't see any reason they should have ran rough shed like they did early on. - What's the point of the German/Swiss/etc. motif when only two (maybe three) of the members are even European? - Was there any real point in putting Pinkie in with the Colony? Donst I get, but what did Pinkie achieve? It's not like they needed him to get inside info on the Colony considering they did the usual pre-match beatdown thing to beat them. I mean trying to tie in a storyline from 2 to 3 years prior may be ambitious. But that doesn't really mean it'll be that good. IMO watching through a lot of the stuff it all just blends together into a mess of forgetfulness which isn't something I'd say about the company the year prior. |
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 19, 2010 1:05:10 GMT -5
Ares, the leader is Swiss, and Claudio's tag partner pre-Hero. As is Claudio, and Tursas is at least fictionally foreign. They were the invaders, the rest were spies for them or people who betrayed Chikara. That would be the Swiss motif.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 19, 2010 1:12:42 GMT -5
No one really knows this yet. It's believed that the whole thing will probably be solved next year, as the current Director of Fun was hired to investigate how Dieter VonStiegerwalt got so much power
I don't know about only the BDK doing it. I can imagine that the group would adopt it as their "official/unofficial" hold to taunt/counteract Quack's original CHIKARA Special.
Its pro wrasslin', champ. You can't have effective heels if the heels don't look effective. If you're looking for a kayfabe reason, I'd say it would be the fact that CHIKARA didn't see a force like this coming, and took a while to get its bearings before they were able to rally and defend themselves.
Because the leaders of the BDK are German/Swiss. The other crew members just fell in line with the generals.
I dunno, possibly to lull the Colony into a false sense of security, and to put a sleeper agent in one of the top technico groups in CHIKARA, possibly.
And I can't disagree with you more. I'd understand if this sort of thing isn't your cup of tea, but the fact is, last year's shows were a large mass of very well wrestled shows. The point behind this year's shows was to lay some groundwork for a promotion-wide feud (near the beginning), to establish the threatening group as a threat (early to mid-year), start the turning point in the war (mid-to-late in the year), and finally, an all out massacre of the group (the finale show).
I think Quack's biggest mistake was thinking enough of the fans would have the patience to see this feud through to the end. I honestly cannot believe how many people couldn't show a little patience this year.
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Post by Bald Bull on Dec 19, 2010 11:58:25 GMT -5
I know you can't see it, but I'm glaring at this statement as hard as I can. Seriously. Things worse than the BDK 1. DJ Skittlez 2. Incognito 3. Everything Lince did on his own, ever 1. At least DJ Skittlez was over with the kids 2. I'd agree with 3. Lince is just as bad in BDK And none of these took up entire shows nor did they ruin main events/title matches with pre match beatdowns and fast ref counts and the exact same match formula: 1. Beatdown 2. BDK gets first fall 3. Hope spot 4. Roll up/fast count |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 19, 2010 12:20:00 GMT -5
Since I really don't think the BDK Arc is over in CHIKARA, I would have to say Steen/Generico.
Plus, the whole problem of the BDK being so dominant for that long while was annoying, but things like the Cibernetico (Vokoder's reveal, especially) and the Season Finale have made up for it mostly.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 19, 2010 21:54:47 GMT -5
1. At least DJ Skittlez was over with the kids And once they stopped letting him throw candy, that was also over...and by that I mean any popularity he had went kaput. I would really, really like to know why this is such a huge problem with people. They're the bad guys; you aren't supposed to like them, and they're supposed to be a legitimate threat. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2010 21:57:38 GMT -5
Nevermind.
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