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Post by polexia on Apr 12, 2011 21:26:32 GMT -5
as a teacher i 100% know what you are feeling.
it is annoying as hell but at the end of the day they are "innocent children" so everything is your fault.
I was let go from a job because the supervior told me to get a 2 1/2 year old to go down for his nap.
this kid HATED me (i was only a sub so he only saw me 3 times in the past 2 months). he called me the f word over and over adding extras that i am sure he must have heard from his parents.
after about 15 minutes of getting kicked in the face (while 3 teachers with more senority watched) i was reported for "not being able to handle difficult situations."
so yeah. i am still getting my degree in child care, but i hope to luck out on my next job.
best of luck. i hope you find a job where you can be happy.
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2011 21:31:15 GMT -5
A temper was lost, I don't necessarily think you were wrong. Maybe they're only 14, but if they're going to dish out racist and insensitive slurs towards you, f*** their age and throw it right back at them. Maybe you "should know better", but in my book you did the right thing.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 12, 2011 22:28:29 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net?
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 12, 2011 22:30:22 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net? None what so ever.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 12, 2011 22:37:43 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net? Because kids these days need a lesson and need to be able to take what they dish out. Maybe if their lazy parents actually disciplined them and taught them right from wrong, then perhaps you wouldn't have incidents like this.
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 12, 2011 22:40:31 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net? Because kids these days need a lesson and need to be able to take what they dish out. Maybe if their lazy parents actually disciplined them and taught them right from wrong, then perhaps you wouldn't have incidents like this. So, you teach discipline by doing exactly the same thing you're reprimanding the kid for?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 12, 2011 22:49:42 GMT -5
Because kids these days need a lesson and need to be able to take what they dish out. Maybe if their lazy parents actually disciplined them and taught them right from wrong, then perhaps you wouldn't have incidents like this. So, you teach discipline by doing exactly the same thing you're reprimanding the kid for? Yeah I'm also utterly confused by your logic here. First of all without guessing we have no way of telling if the parents are lazy. Maybe all, some or none are but since we have no way of knowing the point is mute. Secondly you haven't said how using offensive language in responce to offensive language is gonna teach these kids that it's wrong. And I mean "teach" as in the active verb meaning to hand learning on through your action and methods. Not "beat into" not "frighten" no "intimidate" but "teach"?
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 12, 2011 22:52:59 GMT -5
So, you teach discipline by doing exactly the same thing you're reprimanding the kid for? Yeah I'm also utterly confused by your logic here. First of all without guessing we have no way of telling if the parents are lazy. Maybe all, some or none are but since we have no way of knowing the point is mute. Secondly you haven't said how using offensive language in responce to offensive language is gonna teach these kids that it's wrong. And I mean "teach" as in the active verb meaning to hand learning on through your action and methods. Not "beat into" not "frighten" no "intimidate" but "teach"? Lol I was agreeing with you. Using racism to try to reprimand a kid for using racism is kind of hypocritical, wrong, and offensive and teaches the kid to do that exact thing that pissed this guy off in the first place.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 12, 2011 22:55:50 GMT -5
Oh sorry, I meant to quote the post above you
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 12, 2011 22:59:20 GMT -5
Oh sorry, I meant to quote the post above you Oops
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Post by bob on Apr 12, 2011 23:22:05 GMT -5
you done and goofed
you should have told the kids parents what they said
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Apr 12, 2011 23:27:31 GMT -5
In any business you do not talk to a client like that, it does not matter what they say you grin and bare it. And if you need to retort, you don't turn it on them, you flip what they say. If they want to play the Jew card, just say "Yes I am and my family runs every bank in town, have fun getting a loan".
In most any work place in the country you should be out of a job. In fact, you could get sued for it.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 12, 2011 23:46:29 GMT -5
On Tuesday's and Wednesday's I work with groups of 6-8th graders on the gym where I am a trainer. It should be easy enough; they walk on a treadmill for 3 miles and then play dodgeball. Well, they make it much, much harder. In the three weeks I've been working with the groups, I have been called every swear in the Spanish language and every racial slur they have for white people. I got angry when one kid told me I look like a Jew who should be in the Holocaust, and decided that if they were old enough to dish stuff like that out, they should be old enough to take it, too. I told one kid that he was going to be fat his whole life if he doesn't get on the treadmill like he should be doing, and told another that if I look like a Jew without the hat, he look's like a Mexican with a pair of handcuffs on his wrist. Now, I know I should have been more mature, but I was just pissed. So today, I got called into the office of one of the higher-ups, and got a talking to about the whole thing. So my question is was I really wrong in going back word for word with the kids. Yes, they are 14 and I am 23, but they are more than old enough to know better. Not that I was any better, since I should have known better, too. Rather than the slur, I'd have just forced them to use a head of lettuce for dodgeball. It gets the point across while creating lulz.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 13, 2011 0:01:02 GMT -5
Side Rant: I am getting completely sick of people using the phrase "politically correct" as a catch all for the down fall of order and discipline in America. You know what "politically correct" means to me? It means that white people can no longer call black people the "n word" openly in polite company. More and more it means that the "f word" slang for homosexual is becoming just as offensive to average Americans. It means men can't judge a woman's qualifications for a job based upon her boobs over her experience and education. I don't know about you but to me those are all fantastic things. On the other hand it has nothing to do with not disciplining children. THANK YOU MR. MILKMAN.
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Post by Disaster Report on Apr 13, 2011 0:08:29 GMT -5
The correct course of action here was to play it cool, but get your revenge in some way that the kids wouldn't collectively pick up on. Slow, and over time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 0:15:56 GMT -5
they said was appropriate in any way. However as others have said they way to show them that what they did was wrong, is not to respond in kind. Saying something racist to counter something anti-Semitic? Did no part of your brain stop to think just how stupid that sounds? Sorry to sound harsh but I really wonder how you're even considering the option that your actions were appropriate. Side Rant: I am getting completely sick of people using the phrase "politically correct" as a catch all for the down fall of order and discipline in America. You know what "politically correct" means to me? It means that white people can no longer call black people the "n word" openly in polite company. More and more it means that the "f word" slang for homosexual is becoming just as offensive to average Americans. It means men can't judge a woman's qualifications for a job based upon her boobs over her experience and education. I don't know about you but to me those are all fantastic things. On the other hand it has nothing to do with not disciplining children. Sure corporal punishment in schools has ended but that has more to do with the fact that educational experts, pediatricians, psychologists and pretty much any other group of qualified experts on the subject has shown that corporal punishment is counter-effected towards the goal of education than political correctness. Teaching fear and respect? Maybe. But those aren't and should never the be the goal of education. Maybe the kids in the OP said what they said because no one had ever modeled good behavior for them. And maybe the were never lucky enough to be treated with "kid gloves." Maybe they never had a chance to see a world that was innocent, and soft and beautiful. Maybe the only world they've ever known is harsh and ugly and tough. To me that is very sad. You know who was treated with "kid gloves" as a kid? Me, because I was a kid. Now I'm a well adjusted (generally speaking) 28 year old man. So should kids be held accountable for their actions? Yes, but not in the way described in the OP. And maybe before attacking them the rational for these kid actions and language should be examined. Agreed.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 13, 2011 0:26:43 GMT -5
It means men can't judge a woman's qualifications for a job based upon her boobs over her experience and education. HOW DARE YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME. Maybe those boobs went to the same university that educated the feet of Rob Van Dam.
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Post by The Line on Apr 13, 2011 10:00:55 GMT -5
yeah, doesn't really matter what the kid said, IMO, anyone involved with a school should be able to act more mature than the students at all times. And plus, since when does anything anyone say, especially teenagers, justify racist comments, even if they are retaliatory.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 13, 2011 10:47:03 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net? I'm not going to say he wasn't wrong, because he was, but really there comes a point where you have to question what the hell you're supposed to do? He could have reported it (and should have), but that doesn't mean anything would be done. In many ways, adults and teachers are completely handcuffed and, like it or not, some kids aren't going to care if you're calm. They want to to be twats to people and want to do so by picking on people they don't think can respond. Adults have to act like they're adults, but does that necessarily mean they have to condone (whether explicitly or implicitly by inaction) being verbally assaulted by someone just because their voice hasn't dropped? There were much better ways than making racist comments, but I can at least understand the frustration when kids can get away with anything and you're supposed to sit back and take it.
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Post by The Line on Apr 13, 2011 11:05:27 GMT -5
I can't believe anybody is defending this. The adult in the situation has to act like an adult. Nothing productive can come from returning in kind the same kind of behavor they were using. Honestly other than "winning" a verbal battle can anyone tell me one positive that this behavor would net? I'm not going to say he wasn't wrong, because he was, but really there comes a point where you have to question what the hell you're supposed to do? He could have reported it (and should have), but that doesn't mean anything would be done. In many ways, adults and teachers are completely handcuffed and, like it or not, some kids aren't going to care if you're calm. They want to to be twats to people and want to do so by picking on people they don't think can respond. Adults have to act like they're adults, but does that necessarily mean they have to condone (whether explicitly or implicitly by inaction) being verbally assaulted by someone just because their voice hasn't dropped? There were much better ways than making racist comments, but I can at least understand the frustration when kids can get away with anything and you're supposed to sit back and take it. and by not reporting it, you're GUARANTEEING that nothing is going to happen other than the OP possibly losing his job, and the school district in some hot water. I mean, I'm not calling anyone out here, but I'm beginning to wonder when the last time many people on this forum were in a public school. The system is far from perfect, but at least at my school(a school, mind you, that was incredibly under-funded and short-staffed and also lived in a somewhat intolerant area), any reported case of discrimination(Sexual, Racial, Gender, etc) was taken VERY seriously. And most of the problems with the PSS are, in some way or another, largely our own doing. Edit: Also, why is it that every time there is a topic about children of about the age described in the OP wanting to do something that they normally couldn't (let's say for example, drive), the general consensus is "Aw damn kids!", but in situations such as these, it's always "They need to act like adults already!"?
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