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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 7, 2012 1:04:06 GMT -5
Do you think that Relena is Gundam's equivalent of John Cena, in terms of fan popularity (you know, "LET'S GO CENA!" "CENA SUCKS!")? Contrast that with Japan, where she's the only female Wing character to date to appear in Gundam Ace's Top 20 females polls, and she ranked #21 in Newtype's "Top 30 Females of the 90s" poll (behind Tiffa, Cecily, Katejina, and Allenby). I actually love Relena, even if she had a rocky start. I wonder how much of the dislike for her is for breaking up the ridiculously unlikely pairing of Duo and Heero that some fangirls cling to. You'd think they'd be happy that Quatre and Trowa are such a homoerotic pairing that even lookalikes of them wound up getting together. The majority of the Relena-haters are the yaoi fangirls, but there are those who hate her because they couldn't understood her character, with the most common complaint is that she's a pacifist and always preaches "PEACE! PEACE! TOTAL PACIFISM!" If you watched the series carefully, Relena tried to her best to follow her family's pacifist beliefs, but I don't think she bought into her family's beliefs (similar to what Cagalli would later go through in GSD, when she's struggling to learn Orb's neutrality beliefs, as she was a fighter, not a politician). When Relena survived her assassination attempt in episode 34, she was having second thoughts about Total Pacifism, until Quatre calmed her down and "enabled" her. <Cena> ROOOOCKYYYYYYYYY! WHY DON'T YOU COME AND KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL MEEEEEEEE? Laughed at this one.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 7, 2012 1:07:40 GMT -5
I've come to assume Lacus Clyne is a musical superstar in SEED just because of a lack of options, given how awful her songs were, at least in the dub.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 7, 2012 12:25:59 GMT -5
The originals are good. Especially in *gasp* GSD, as Fields Of Hope is one of my favourite songs of the whole meta-series.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2012 2:55:44 GMT -5
The originals are good. Especially in *gasp* GSD, as Fields Of Hope is one of my favourite songs of the whole meta-series. Was that from her or knockoff Lacus? I am kind of afraid to watch.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 8, 2012 6:55:07 GMT -5
It was from her. Meer only sang Lacus's Gundam SEED song (you know, the one she would sing randomly when walking around on the ships even though she was supposed to stay in her room) only with a J-pop rythm instead of the calm balad-like style that Lacus uses.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 8, 2012 12:37:29 GMT -5
It was from her. Meer only sang Lacus's Gundam SEED song (you know, the one she would sing randomly when walking around on the ships even though she was supposed to stay in her room) only with a J-pop rythm instead of the calm balad-like style that Lacus uses. Meer did sing Lacus's second song, "Mizu no Akashi", in episode 10 of GSD, as well as GSD SE1: Going off-topic: What kind of heat do you think Relena would be receiving: - Hogan/Austin Pop
- Cena Heat (Male Audience: "LET'S GO RELENA!" Female Audience: "RELENA SUCKS!")
- Stephanie McMahon (circa 2000-early 2002)/Vickie Guerrero Heat
- X-Pac Heat
- Conway Pop (no "Just look at me" jokes, please)
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2012 13:34:11 GMT -5
Cena heat, probably, if it's her incarnation near the end of the series, and fangirls are present. I still think the ending did a great job showing the dynamic she had with Heero by the end. {Spoiler}One, it's hilarious to picture Heero buying her that teddy bear he gives her. Two, it's a great throwback to Heero tearing the birthday invitation from her that she later does with the card. "Next time, give it to me yourself." No anger there, just some cute playfulness. Kind of a dumb question of me to ask, but does anyone know how the hell Buster Gundam's gun works, when he plugs one gun into another? It's not like Wing Zero's guns, where it's halves, but it's actually done from behind. It looks really cool and all, but I'm just kind of confused.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 8, 2012 13:53:44 GMT -5
I actually love Relena, even if she had a rocky start. I wonder how much of the dislike for her is for breaking up the ridiculously unlikely pairing of Duo and Heero that some fangirls cling to. You'd think they'd be happy that Quatre and Trowa are such a homoerotic pairing that even lookalikes of them wound up getting together. The majority of the Relena-haters are the yaoi fangirls, but there are those who hate her because they couldn't understood her character, with the most common complaint is that she's a pacifist and always preaches "PEACE! PEACE! TOTAL PACIFISM!" If you watched the series carefully, Relena tried to her best to follow her family's pacifist beliefs, but I don't think she bought into her family's beliefs (similar to what Cagalli would later go through in GSD, when she's struggling to learn Orb's neutrality beliefs, as she was a fighter, not a politician). When Relena survived her assassination attempt in episode 34, she was having second thoughts about Total Pacifism, until Quatre calmed her down and "enabled" her. Isn't the other reason she is disliked is because she is weird and insane, I mean didn't she once yell "Heero, come and kill me!" And a lot of tragic incidents occur while she did nothing and somehow became queen! Or is that Lacus?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2012 15:07:40 GMT -5
The majority of the Relena-haters are the yaoi fangirls, but there are those who hate her because they couldn't understood her character, with the most common complaint is that she's a pacifist and always preaches "PEACE! PEACE! TOTAL PACIFISM!" If you watched the series carefully, Relena tried to her best to follow her family's pacifist beliefs, but I don't think she bought into her family's beliefs (similar to what Cagalli would later go through in GSD, when she's struggling to learn Orb's neutrality beliefs, as she was a fighter, not a politician). When Relena survived her assassination attempt in episode 34, she was having second thoughts about Total Pacifism, until Quatre calmed her down and "enabled" her. Isn't the other reason she is disliked is because she is weird and insane, I mean didn't she once yell "Heero, come and kill me!" And a lot of tragic incidents occur while she did nothing and somehow became queen! Or is that Lacus? She's a little nuts, I guess, but everyone in Wing is. Look at her love interest, he's kind of a nutball who only really mellows when he doesn't have a "mission" in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 8, 2012 15:19:55 GMT -5
Isn't the other reason she is disliked is because she is weird and insane, I mean didn't she once yell "Heero, come and kill me!" And a lot of tragic incidents occur while she did nothing and somehow became queen! Or is that Lacus? Well, Lacus is an expy of Relena. Initially, Lacus started off as a Lalah Sune/Lynn Minmay hybrid, and in the second half, she became Relena 2.0. {Spoiler} And here are the before/after pics of Seed HD (original is left column, Seed HD is right column): I can imagine HD!Fllay saying, "Derp!"
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2012 15:21:41 GMT -5
Odd that the HD release seems to be making them, while crisper colored, closer to all having the same damn face, which is one of the things that bugs me about SEED.
Think when Athrun is enjoying an intimate moment with Cagalli, he realizes she looks like Kira with blonde hair and breasts? Maybe that's a selling point.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 9, 2012 1:10:25 GMT -5
Isn't the other reason she is disliked is because she is weird and insane, I mean didn't she once yell "Heero, come and kill me!" And a lot of tragic incidents occur while she did nothing and somehow became queen! Or is that Lacus? She's a little nuts, I guess, but everyone in Wing is. Look at her love interest, he's kind of a nutball who only really mellows when he doesn't have a "mission" in the foreseeable future. I agree that everyone in that show is a nutball and none of the main leads motives seem very clear. And the novel that came after Endless Waltz sounds worse, sounds pretty much like fan fiction material. Just listen to this: At 11:59. Language and spoiler warning.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 9, 2012 21:39:19 GMT -5
Remember Seed/Seed Destiny's stock animation (not just footage)?
I posted the same video weeks ago, but Bandai/Sunrise deleted the video. It has since been reposted.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 9, 2012 22:38:30 GMT -5
Remember Seed/Seed Destiny's stock animation (not just footage)?
I posted the same video weeks ago, but Bandai/Sunrise deleted the video. It has since been reposted.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 11, 2012 7:06:00 GMT -5
I don't blame them, when they can do it without being blatant. It is very, very expensive to animate these kinds of shows, so you cut costs where you can.
Man, I want to get the Kampfer HGUC 1/144 kit. It comes with two beam sabers, with clear yellow beams, two shotguns with optional stocks, two sturmfausts, two bazookas, and a chain mine, not to mention coming in basically all of the colors it should be in. All for about 20 bucks.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 11, 2012 10:38:23 GMT -5
Just a random thought.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 11, 2012 21:56:03 GMT -5
I don't blame them, when they can do it without being blatant. It is very, very expensive to animate these kinds of shows, so you cut costs where you can. I read somewhere that both Seed and GSD were given huge budgets (higher than normal for a TV anime). Here's what I can think most of the budget went to: - The music, especially the licenses they secured for the insert songs and opening/ending music (eight total)
- The high profile voice actors (Takehito "Zechs" Koyasu, Shuichi "Char" Ikeda), and the guest stars (TM Revolution as Miguel and Heine, Vivian Hsu as Aisha)
- The computer animation/special effects (e.g., the "Phase Shift" special effect)
This is what Lacus's/Meer's songs would sound like if Chantal Strand (Lacus/Meer's English voice) sang them: Chantal was StarSong's voice.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 13, 2012 20:54:02 GMT -5
I bought Gundam Nadleeh today, High grade, in the 1/144 scale. Haven't built it yet, but the accessory count is nice, and clear pink beams is always preferable to "toothpick" molded-in-white ones. Considered getting Extreme Gundam, but maybe next time.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Jan 14, 2012 0:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by Alucard on Jan 14, 2012 1:19:37 GMT -5
Impulse bought a Exia Repair II SD Gundam kit just as something to do after work in bed as I'm hella sick. It was alright, mostly got it since I'm an Exia fan. Wanted it for nothing more than a display piece. As that it works nicely. If you expected much more you might be disappointed. {Spoiler}
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