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Post by Zabel Zarock on Oct 15, 2012 18:24:24 GMT -5
That's because the lead writer Morosawa did whatever she could to sabotage the original Destiny crew because she beleive one of the VAs was having an affair with her husband. Past episode 36 *I think* when Kira takes over it pretty much goes out of it's way to make Shinn look like an idiot. Yeah he was angry as f***, moreso than Kamille but he was never really whiny and always working towards completeling his goal. The second half of Destiny is some rage inducing bulls***.
The shit Morosawa did was so terrible Cagalii's VA has refused to ever vouice the character again, hence why she rarely ever has any lines in games she appears in if she does and why Cagalii was so mute during the second half.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Oct 15, 2012 18:43:12 GMT -5
That's because the lead writer Morosawa did whatever she could to sabotage the original Destiny crew because she beleive one of the VAs was having an affair with her husband. Past episode 36 *I think* when Kira takes over it pretty much goes out of it's way to make Shinn look like an idiot. Yeah he was angry as f***, moreso than Kamille but he was never really whiny and always working towards completeling his goal. The second half of Destiny is some rage inducing bulls***. The s*** Morosawa did was so terrible Cagalii's VA has refused to ever vouice the character again, hence why she rarely ever has any lines in games she appears in if she does and why Cagalii was so mute during the second half. Or, the more plausible reason why Kira was pushed back to "main" character status was because, at the time of GSD's original broadcast, he was still extremely over with the Japanese viewers (as evidenced by the then-current Newtype character polls). Shinn, while popular in his own right, wasn't getting over as Sunrise hoped (he ranked behind Athrun and esp. Kira), but they mistook "not popular enough" to mean "not popular at all". Morosawa claimed in an interview that Athrun was her favorite character, which is one of the reasons why, out of the three supposed main characters, he had the most screentime. And I'll bring up the comparisons between GSD and the WWE again: - Kira: John Cena
- Athrun: Triple H
- Shinn: CM Punk
And here's a quote that I found from the SA forums:
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Oct 15, 2012 19:06:40 GMT -5
Yeah Ahtrun being her favorite character was why Athrun got pushed so hard, but the affair allegations and her insanity from it was a motivator to tank the characters of Shinn and Lunamaria instead of just pushing them to the side. Destiny's second half is a great example of how pandering to the fanbase and your own wants can tank something. Then again that's Gundamn in a nutshell.
Curious, anyone keeping up with AGE and Unicorn? Both are pretty blah but damn is Unicorn pretty.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2012 19:20:41 GMT -5
I think that after finishing Zeta Gundam a bit back, it's been refreshing to watch Gundam SEED. That might sound like heresy to some, but for all that Zeta does well, a likable cast outside of Quattro is not really on that list.
Reccoa, Katz, Kamille at times, and most of the Cyber Newtypes are just massive, irritating pricks. Everyone on the show whines at each other all the time, and nobody seems to think it is odd when a financial supporter of the AEUG beats Kamille so savagely that he is knocked unconscious, merely for showing up late to a meeting.
Hell, I am almost convinced they based Azrael Muruta on him for sheer assholishness and lording his position over people so that they cannot retaliate.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Oct 15, 2012 21:22:39 GMT -5
As for the alleged affairs between Morosawa and Naomi Shindo, it's just an unconfirmed rumor. This came out when Sunrise was under the fallout of the 2004 Yukana Scandal, in which Yukana Nogami (C.C. in Code Geass) was controversially recast as Four Murasame in the Zeta Gundam movie trilogy (replacing Saeko Shimizu, Four's original VA), allegedly because of her relationship with Zeta's sound director. As for the relationships between the GS cast and Fukuda/Morosawa: - Rie Tanaka said at the 2008 NYAF that Lacus was the hardest role she played, because she had to perform her character in a certain way.
- Kenichi Suzumura, Shinn's VA, said that the SRW incarnation of Shinn was the "true Shinn in his heart", and hinted that Maaya Sakamoto (Luna's VA) might be chewed out by Fukuda.
Here's what Suzumura said when he was interviewed for SRW-Z: I'm not a japanese expert her, but, he mentions that his role as Shinn Asuka was one of the ones that troubled him alot and made him feel alot of pressure, also he's hinting that he had quite some bad experiences from it. He says it was the first time he felt that the directors (probably fukuda or whoever) view on "acting" and his view on "acting" was very different. The director wanted "easy to understand"-acting but Suzumura felt that as the actor that he wanted to know more about Shinn's experiences and feelings/emotions so that he could do the acting better. archive.foolz.us/m/thread/4169592/#4172196 (language warning) I think that a more likely scenario for the friction between Shindo and F/M is that Shindo was critical of how Cagalli was written in GSD.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2012 21:47:29 GMT -5
Cagalli is one of my favorite Cosmic Era characters, so I can relate. Also, I have routinely heard SRW games present Destiny's story much better than the anime managed to at times, and I am not surprised. Banpresto does a very good job of addressing the absurdities of some stories, and presenting characters in a way as to be likable, such as how the SRW versions of Shinji are always much more assertive.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Oct 15, 2012 23:34:29 GMT -5
Shinn is baller as hell in the SRWZ series.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Oct 15, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -5
Cagalli is one of my favorite Cosmic Era characters, so I can relate. Also, I have routinely heard SRW games present Destiny's story much better than the anime managed to at times, and I am not surprised. Banpresto does a very good job of addressing the absurdities of some stories, and presenting characters in a way as to be likable, such as how the SRW versions of Shinji are always much more assertive. Fukuda treats the SRW games the same way Stephen King views Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, how Alan Moore views the film adaptations of his works, and how Hideo Kojima views the NES version of Metal Gear.
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 16, 2012 5:44:58 GMT -5
Speaking of Metal Gear, we need one of those in a future SRW game. Just saying.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2012 13:32:32 GMT -5
Speaking of Metal Gear, we need one of those in a future SRW game. Just saying. That would be fun. I wonder if Patlabor has ever been in any of the games, even if they would be comparatively weak.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 23, 2012 14:25:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Metal Gear, we need one of those in a future SRW game. Just saying. Otacon will mark out like crazy at the sight of all the mechs.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2012 14:57:46 GMT -5
Speaking of Metal Gear, we need one of those in a future SRW game. Just saying. Otacon will mark out like crazy at the sight of all the mechs. For that alone, I'd have to laugh.
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 23, 2012 17:17:56 GMT -5
Otacon will mark out like crazy at the sight of all the mechs. For that alone, I'd have to laugh. Get Otakon and Ryusei in one room (yeah, Metal Gear for the never happening SRW Alpha Gaiden 2!) and it would be... OK, no words. And no, Patlabor as never been in any SRW game. I say make that SRW@G2 and put MGS, Patlabor, G Gundam and Nadeisco + GEKIGANGER 3 in it. With everyone that was in @3. And all the Gundams that were in @ and g that never returned. Also the Crossbones guys. It would be bonkers I tells ya! BONKERS~!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2012 17:31:41 GMT -5
For that alone, I'd have to laugh. Get Otakon and Ryusei in one room (yeah, Metal Gear for the never happening SRW Alpha Gaiden 2!) and it would be... OK, no words. And no, Patlabor as never been in any SRW game. I say make that SRW@G2 and put MGS, Patlabor, G Gundam and Nadeisco + GEKIGANGER 3 in it. With everyone that was in @3. And all the Gundams that were in @ and g that never returned. Also the Crossbones guys. It would be bonkers I tells ya! BONKERS~! Imagine Akito, Gai Daigoji, Otakon, and Ryusei all fanboying at once.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Oct 23, 2012 18:46:56 GMT -5
If Gai Daigoji was never in anything ever again I'd be so happy.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 25, 2012 11:31:32 GMT -5
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 25, 2012 14:48:02 GMT -5
If Gai Daigoji was never in anything ever again I'd be so happy. Dude, the guy was in 3/5 episodes in one anime series and 2 or 3 games. It's not like he's all over the place. Besides, he's GAI DAIGOJI~! GO GEKI-CRUSHER~! GEKIGAN FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAREEEEEEEEEEEE~!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 25, 2012 17:11:28 GMT -5
If Gai Daigoji was never in anything ever again I'd be so happy. Dude, the guy was in 3/5 episodes in one anime series and 2 or 3 games. It's not like he's all over the place. Besides, he's GAI DAIGOJI~! GO GEKI-CRUSHER~! GEKIGAN FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAREEEEEEEEEEEE~! Hell, I've never seen Nadesico, and I still sing Gekiganger 3 in the shower. Perhaps I've shared too much. LET'S GO PASSION
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Oct 25, 2012 17:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 26, 2012 1:55:33 GMT -5
I kinda dig it, and that is coming from someone with a love/hate relationship with Advance of Zeta designs. I would love Bandai also to make a high grade of the GuAIZ. It is a hell of an omission. A HG of the DINN and ZuOOT would also be neat, but I understand that maybe they didn't appear enough in the show to be deserving of it.
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