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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 7:49:29 GMT -5
...is a total farce. At least it was last night, and on recent Fridays before that. A few weeks ago some people here told me I was out of my mind for claiming certain people weren't over since I cited the audience reaction on recent Raws and PPVs from before. So I've been watching and...I'm still 100 percent sure that my conclusion was correct, because there's no way to tell on that show anymore how over anyone actually is, save for the visible reactions from people in the stands.
The ambient crowd reaction (that is, the general buzz of the crowd when nothing was happening) on every match last night was at the very least equal or on most occasions greater than any ambient crowd reaction from Monday. This was especially apparent in the women's match where, despite the fact that there were no genuine audience responses from spots that surged like when moves were executed in the main event from Monday, the ambient audience was much, much louder (and ambient response on Monday was almost non existent).
As someone who uses fan support (or hatred) as one of the qualifiers for a person's position on the card, I can't use Smackdown anymore to judge who's actually legitimately popular or not, except for the main eventers and a few other people who the fans actually get up on their feet for. I temporarily stopped watching Smackdown in mid-to-late last year for a couple months, so I just feel like asking, is this a recent problem? Or has this been going on for a while now? Moreover, why do they need to doctor the fan reactions like they do on Superstars? It's completely unnecessary at this point and, IMO, detracts from the overall feeling and legitimacy of the show.
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Post by Remix on Jan 15, 2011 7:57:57 GMT -5
You're about a decade late in that realisation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 8:00:57 GMT -5
You're about a decade late in that realisation. I know that it's been dubbed in a little bit for a long time, but it seems especially bad now. Between when I stopped watching and when I started back up, fan response seems to have changed a lot...even though it's all fake. More than anything I'm just wondering why for the past 4-5 months they've made such liberal use of canned heat compared to before. |
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jan 15, 2011 8:11:06 GMT -5
I don't think it is used more than before, they've always done it.
Perhaps it's more noticeable when people you are convinced aren't over are getting pops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 8:21:02 GMT -5
I did find it hilarious how the crowd went 'wild' after Trent Barreta beat McIntyre, yet if you looked at the crowd the first 4-5 rows were sitting on their hands when he got the pin.
As said, the dubbed crowd reaction has been going on for years now but I do agree that its been getting worse lately. I think its gotten to the point now where the WWE has screwed up the midcard so badly that they're literally having to dub in reactions for nearly every non-main eventer on the show apart from a couple of exceptions (e.g. Swagger and ABR).
Its especially prevalent for Drew McIntyre. Last night they had to dub in reactions not only for his entrance (there is asolutely no way he gets anywhere near the amount of heat from the crowd they make him out to get), but also when Barreta beat him AND during the backstage beatdown when he met with Kelly Kelly. The writers can't face the fact that the guy isn't over.
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Post by CJ on Jan 15, 2011 9:00:09 GMT -5
The canned cheers are what bothers me the most...considering that most mid card faces can't even get that much of a response yet someone like JTG or Chris Masters can? Those canned pops are main event level cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 10:50:28 GMT -5
I did find it hilarious how the crowd went 'wild' after Trent Barreta beat McIntyre, yet if you looked at the crowd the first 4-5 rows were sitting on their hands when he got the pin. As said, the dubbed crowd reaction has been going on for years now but I do agree that its been getting worse lately. I think its gotten to the point now where the WWE has screwed up the midcard so badly that they're literally having to dub in reactions for nearly every non-main eventer on the show apart from a couple of exceptions (e.g. Swagger and ABR). Its especially prevalent for Drew McIntyre. Last night they had to dub in reactions not only for his entrance (there is asolutely no way he gets anywhere near the amount of heat from the crowd they make him out to get), but also when Barreta beat him AND during the backstage beatdown when he met with Kelly Kelly. The writers can't face the fact that the guy isn't over. THANK YOU. I thought I was the only person who noticed this happening last night, along with a few other segments and matches. I think the canned reactions have definitely intensified a lot compared to years ago, but I guess what I'm wondering is why it's happening so much more all of a sudden. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 10:54:36 GMT -5
Because we're not an "audience" anymore we're now "cast members."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2011 11:04:23 GMT -5
Because we're not an "audience" anymore we're now "cast members." That's what TNA call their fans. WWE fans are members of the WWE Universe. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 15, 2011 11:55:29 GMT -5
That's the WWE's fault, though. Their system of training talent is poor, which is why these guys can't buy any heat. Doing a beatdown and then standing over someone with a serious face isn't going to get heat anymore when every single heel does it.
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Post by pink on Jan 15, 2011 12:00:34 GMT -5
That's the WWE's fault, though. Their system of training talent is poor, which is why these guys can't buy any heat. Doing a beatdown and then standing over someone with a serious face isn't going to get heat anymore when every single heel does it. I agree. It's really hard to get your own kind of heat when your doing something everyone else is doing. |
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Post by BigWill on Jan 15, 2011 12:23:56 GMT -5
I don't really pay much attention to fan response. I like who I like, and overness or lack there of doesn't really affect that.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jan 15, 2011 12:33:32 GMT -5
I did find it hilarious how the crowd went 'wild' after Trent Barreta beat McIntyre, yet if you looked at the crowd the first 4-5 rows were sitting on their hands when he got the pin. As said, the dubbed crowd reaction has been going on for years now but I do agree that its been getting worse lately. I think its gotten to the point now where the WWE has screwed up the midcard so badly that they're literally having to dub in reactions for nearly every non-main eventer on the show apart from a couple of exceptions (e.g. Swagger and ABR). Its especially prevalent for Drew McIntyre. Last night they had to dub in reactions not only for his entrance (there is asolutely no way he gets anywhere near the amount of heat from the crowd they make him out to get), but also when Barreta beat him AND during the backstage beatdown when he met with Kelly Kelly. The writers can't face the fact that the guy isn't over. If it's all piped in, how do you decide that ADR and Swagger get genuine heat while Drew doesn't? It all seems to come down to personal preference. |
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Post by Kay Faban on Jan 15, 2011 12:43:06 GMT -5
Welcome to how Pro Wrestling/Sports Entertainment has always been.
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Post by Conspiracy Guy on Jan 15, 2011 12:49:36 GMT -5
The funny thing is people who report from Raw frequently claim the crowd was much hotter than they sounded on television and that the place was cheering when it sounded dead on television, etc.
The WWE obviously has issues with their arena sound setup to broadcast. Of course this isn't an excuse for the shameless editing to give JTG huge pops for doing a recorded interview segment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 13:05:46 GMT -5
I did find it hilarious how the crowd went 'wild' after Trent Barreta beat McIntyre, yet if you looked at the crowd the first 4-5 rows were sitting on their hands when he got the pin. As said, the dubbed crowd reaction has been going on for years now but I do agree that its been getting worse lately. I think its gotten to the point now where the WWE has screwed up the midcard so badly that they're literally having to dub in reactions for nearly every non-main eventer on the show apart from a couple of exceptions (e.g. Swagger and ABR). Its especially prevalent for Drew McIntyre. Last night they had to dub in reactions not only for his entrance (there is asolutely no way he gets anywhere near the amount of heat from the crowd they make him out to get), but also when Barreta beat him AND during the backstage beatdown when he met with Kelly Kelly. The writers can't face the fact that the guy isn't over. If it's all piped in, how do you decide that ADR and Swagger get genuine heat while Drew doesn't? It all seems to come down to personal preference. There's two ways I can usually tell: 1) For some strange reason the WWE only uses a few dub noises, I remember for a good 7-8 years they used the same 'seagull' pop on Smackdown and never changed it. So you can usually tell which is dubbed in and which are real crowd reactions. 2) You can also tell by the reactions on Raw and PPV's. Swagger and recently ADR have been getting good heat when they appear, whilst McIntyre is hard to tell since he barely appears on those shows. Which could be an indicator that they know he doesn't get much heat. |
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Post by Remix on Jan 15, 2011 13:19:31 GMT -5
That's the WWE's fault, though. Their system of training talent is poor, which is why these guys can't buy any heat. Do you watch FCW? There are guys there who can and do have excellent matches every time they set foot into the ring. Guys like Drew who can't get over at all is their and creative's fault, not FCW's. Worked well for Wade Barrett. |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 15, 2011 14:00:05 GMT -5
You can usually tell when the canned pop comes in. It's that same, rising "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!" cheer with no variation to it week after week, match after match. Though I usually can't tell with the boos when they're genuine or canned (except for Vickie Guerrero). I just like to assume that every heel on Smackdown is insanely over as a heel.  |
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Post by KEEZ on Jan 15, 2011 14:23:38 GMT -5
The most jarring fake pops are in JTG's new segments and the Ezekiel Jackson promo where he throws Christian into a trolley and the crowd goes 'YAAAAAAA'.
Or how about the end of the ultimate face vs heel jobber clearance match on Superstars? They gave that team the same pop they gave Cena's team at Summerslam, only with Yoshi Tatsu's Pokemon music.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2011 17:27:42 GMT -5
Crowd sweetener has been used for decades. Plenty of wrestling shows have used it. Old WWF shows made it seem like the crowd was really loving Doink and Dink. You never heard Hulk Hogan being booed because they fixed the audio. WCW used piped in Goldberg chants until it got over with the crowd. The reason for it is to make the audience at home believe that the wrestlers is over so when they see them again, their viewpoint is shape into the way the promotion wants it.
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