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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 25, 2010 17:26:12 GMT -5
Kaval didn't want to end up being the next 'MVP' it seems. His perrogative, but he could've easily ended up as the next Miz if he gave it a shot. MVP was actually one of their more marketable guys. He got a number of different shirts, toys, and print ads regularly until he called it quits. A lot of wrestlers would had loved to be in his position. On the main show every week and making money off of merchandise. What aggravates me is guys like Vance Archer and Drew Gallows wanted to be there but got fired while Kaval hated his time there and wanted to go. I say give Drew his job back. Give the slot to someone who wants it.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 25, 2010 20:14:07 GMT -5
Just watched that kick again. It was sick, but for the people saying it was reckless on Kavals part watch again. Kaval whipped Dolph into the corner before doing the handspring spinkick, but Dolph was about a foot from the ropes and moved in right before Kaval hit the kick. So it seemed like Dolph didn't even know there was a kick coming. EDIT: Also as proof he does the exact same move against A-Ri on NXT and Riley is firmly in the corner when the kick is done. The spot was excecuted fine then. Could not agree more, that botch was all on Dolph. He was unprepared and got planted as a result. I dont see how people blame thta one on Kaval. isn't it the guy doing the moves job to make sure the guy taking it is prepared? Goldberg ended Bret Hart's career with a superkick. He told Bret to watch the kick, from what I've heard, using the wrong words.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 25, 2010 20:16:08 GMT -5
Low-Ki is a self absorbed asshole. He wasn't pushed immediately, so he took his ball and went home, how pathetic. Guess he was just a small fish in a big pond. Maybe he can go back to being the Triple H of the indies! Get over it already. Good lord, which relative of yours did Low-Ki stab? This is a DISCUSSION forum, and this topic is worth discussion, your personal opinions about Low-Ki aside. No one's holding a gun to your hand to make you click this thread, man.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Dec 25, 2010 20:58:17 GMT -5
He was soooooooo damn boring on the mic. I cant say that i'm too broken up about this release.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 25, 2010 21:54:08 GMT -5
Could not agree more, that botch was all on Dolph. He was unprepared and got planted as a result. I dont see how people blame thta one on Kaval. isn't it the guy doing the moves job to make sure the guy taking it is prepared? Goldberg ended Bret Hart's career with a superkick. He told Bret to watch the kick, from what I've heard, using the wrong words. Well when you whip someone into the corner, you kind of expect them to end up in the corner. Also it's kind of hard to just stop in the middle of a spot like that. All Dolph had to do was stand in the corner. Kaval had the hard part so it's Dolphs fault for being out of place and for some reason taking a step into the kick.
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Post by 67 more on Dec 25, 2010 22:49:10 GMT -5
Low-Ki is a self absorbed asshole. He wasn't pushed immediately, so he took his ball and went home, how pathetic. Guess he was just a small fish in a big pond. Maybe he can go back to being the Triple H of the indies! Get over it already. Cole?
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Post by Magnum DA on Dec 25, 2010 22:50:29 GMT -5
Good lord, which relative of yours did Low-Ki stab? This is a DISCUSSION forum, and this topic is worth discussion, your personal opinions about Low-Ki aside. No one's holding a gun to your hand to make you click this thread, man. whoa, didn't mean to offend you, Mr. Low-Ki. Uh, he's not the only one upset with that post. Crazy thing is, I actually agree with you. I don't need to tell folks to "get over it", though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 23:23:53 GMT -5
I kinda question him deciding to leave. He was being used. Granted he was losing, but he was being used. Should have stuck with it a little longer. It has become more and more common for WWE to start people off taking quite a few losses, whether it's to pay dues, see if they can handle dealing with it, or whatever the reason is.
If he had stuck around I think he would have ended up getting some sort of push like 4 months from now or something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 23:58:10 GMT -5
I'm just sad I never got the chance to say "Wait and See" after someone complained about him jobbing
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 26, 2010 0:01:46 GMT -5
You'd think when the WWE Champion is only 11 lbs from being a cruiserweight, they'd be over that by now. The Miz has charisma. It's not height as an issue. Rey Mysterio has charisma and connects with the fans, so he's pushed. Kaval has talent, but doesn't generate that 'it' factor -- so he isn't pushed. Maybe if he'd stuck with it like The Miz, he'd have gotten pushed eventually. Rey has neither Charisma nor Mic Skills. His it factor is his in ring style much like Kaval and Danielson. So for that to work, a guy needs to be out there and putting on good showings, not being made to look like a moron.
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Post by kingkurteous on Dec 26, 2010 0:19:13 GMT -5
My 2 cents:
Low Ki was never going to become a huge star in WWE. He lacks size and mic skills. The WWE is all about PG TV and stars that are marketable to children. In case you guys forget, they make money on those types of stars, not the Danielson's and Low-Ki's of this world.
I am a big supporter of Low Ki but I knew it wasn't going to work out for him in WWE. He has superb technical/striking skills but since when is McMahon interested in that?
Bottom line is he wasn't the prototype wrestler that gets pushed. He could have lit up the screen in matches with Bourne, Rey, Danielson, and probably even Kingston and other mid card guys. But, no way would he ever get near HHH or Orton.
He's probably walking away from a mediocre WWE salary to the same type of $ on independent cards due to his popularity. And he seems to enjoy independent feds more anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2010 0:35:45 GMT -5
When did charisma and "it factor" become mutually exclusive?
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Post by Alex Shelley on Dec 26, 2010 1:12:44 GMT -5
Uh, he's not the only one upset with that post. Crazy thing is, I actually agree with you. I don't need to tell folks to "get over it", though. Well, I kinda agree, it isn't the friendliest thing to post, but people are going to continue to harp on this for months to come, and the "WWE sux!!!" posts are going to keep flooding in. People kinda have to get over it. I swear I don't get people sometimes. Kaval's in WWE, people bitch about him jobbing and how he's not as utilized as he was in the indies, then he gets released, and most likely is going to the indies, and then people bitch about him leaving WWE. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JEEZ!!! Um... The point is that we're upset because he was jobbed out so badly that he felt that he was never going to go anywhere in his career, so he left. The point is that WWE treated him so bad that he asked to leave. And telling people to get over it is just rude. People are upset that we're not going to be able to see great matchups now. We'll never get to see him with Bourne, Mysterio, Punk, etc etc now. People are going to be sad that we'll never see that. I mean hell, I'm still not "over" Caylen Croft getting released.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 26, 2010 1:18:30 GMT -5
The bizarre thing is, and I say this as someone who frequently gets blasted around here for not thinking indie wrestlers automatically deserve to be huge stars in WWE just because they put on five-star matches in ROH, I thought Kaval was far better suited to WWE than a lot of guys who've had far more success than him.
I thought Kaval had "it" in a way that Bryan and Bourne and even Punk never did. I genuinely think he has that extra something that connects with the crowds that could make him, several years down the line, into another Rey Mysterio.
Evidently the bookers disagreed with me.
Imbeciles.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 26, 2010 3:22:53 GMT -5
Low-Ki is a self absorbed asshole. He wasn't pushed immediately, so he took his ball and went home, how pathetic. Guess he was just a small fish in a big pond. Maybe he can go back to being the Triple H of the indies! Get over it already. I have a few things to say as well, though I will try to be a little more diplomatic: 1) Telling people what they should or should not care about never gets received well. If you had merely made your point (which may very well be valid), then you would not have gotten the same response. Still, the fact that you responded to a meek protest with an insult tells me that you are emotionally driven in this. If you have a reason to feel that way (it is not outside the realm of possibility that you or someone you know met and was extremely put off by Kaval), then your view could be substantiated and you could feel a bit of vindication here. 2) It may not necessarily be about Kaval, but rather a pattern that disturbs us. I don't like that Kaval is leaving, but it fits a pattern that truly irritates me. Kaval was over with a portion of the crowd but that connection was killed by the booking. MVP and Matt Hardy were both over with the majority of the crowd and that was killed by the booking to a degree (they both could elicit reactions from the crowd, but it was not as impassioned as they were before it was made obvious that they were afterthoughts in the minds of the WWE). They both got tired of it and wanted to leave as well. They were not the first to do so and I fear that they will not be the last. I suspect the next to just say "F*** this" is Christian, which might ruffle some more feathers here.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 26, 2010 3:26:31 GMT -5
Low-Ki is a self absorbed asshole. He wasn't pushed immediately, so he took his ball and went home, how pathetic. Guess he was just a small fish in a big pond. Maybe he can go back to being the Triple H of the indies! Get over it already. I have a few things to say as well, though I will try to be a little more diplomatic: 1) Telling people what they should or should not care about never gets received well. If you had merely made your point (which may very well be valid), then you would not have gotten the same response. Still, the fact that you responded to a meek protest with an insult tells me that you are emotionally driven in this. If you have a reason to feel that way (it is not outside the realm of possibility that you or someone you know met and was extremely put off by Kaval), then your view could be substantiated and you could feel a bit of vindication here. 2) It may not necessarily be about Kaval, but rather a pattern that disturbs us. I don't like that Kaval is leaving, but it fits a pattern that truly irritates me. Kaval was over with a portion of the crowd but that connection was killed by the booking. MVP and Matt Hardy were both over with the majority of the crowd and that was killed by the booking to a degree (they both could elicit reactions from the crowd, but it was not as impassioned as they were before it was made obvious that they were afterthoughts in the minds of the WWE). They both got tired of it and wanted to leave as well. They were not the first to do so and I fear that they will not be the last. I suspect the next to just say "F*** this" is Christian, which might ruffle some more feathers here. I'd tend to agree with Christian as being the next to go, but Christian's already seen where that path leads. He's been to the other pasture, and seen that it's not as green as made out to be. I don't think he'll be leaving if he has a choice in it.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 26, 2010 3:44:28 GMT -5
They shouldn't have split up Kaval and LayCool. I have a few things to say as well, though I will try to be a little more diplomatic: 1) Telling people what they should or should not care about never gets received well. If you had merely made your point (which may very well be valid), then you would not have gotten the same response. Still, the fact that you responded to a meek protest with an insult tells me that you are emotionally driven in this. If you have a reason to feel that way (it is not outside the realm of possibility that you or someone you know met and was extremely put off by Kaval), then your view could be substantiated and you could feel a bit of vindication here. 2) It may not necessarily be about Kaval, but rather a pattern that disturbs us. I don't like that Kaval is leaving, but it fits a pattern that truly irritates me. Kaval was over with a portion of the crowd but that connection was killed by the booking. MVP and Matt Hardy were both over with the majority of the crowd and that was killed by the booking to a degree (they both could elicit reactions from the crowd, but it was not as impassioned as they were before it was made obvious that they were afterthoughts in the minds of the WWE). They both got tired of it and wanted to leave as well. They were not the first to do so and I fear that they will not be the last. I suspect the next to just say "F*** this" is Christian, which might ruffle some more feathers here. I'd tend to agree with Christian as being the next to go, but Christian's already seen where that path leads. He's been to the other pasture, and seen that it's not as green as made out to be. I don't think he'll be leaving if he has a choice in it. I think the only way Christian is gone is if he f***s up big time. I see the WWE holding on to him, because they damn well know that they can throw him out there with anyone and the crowd will respond. The guy's dependable. Plus I can see them doing a Christian vs Edge feud for the World Title.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Dec 26, 2010 3:47:56 GMT -5
If Christian left again I would probably shed a few tears, not even kidding.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 26, 2010 8:51:52 GMT -5
Well, I kinda agree, it isn't the friendliest thing to post, but people are going to continue to harp on this for months to come, and the "WWE sux!!!" posts are going to keep flooding in. People kinda have to get over it. I swear I don't get people sometimes. Kaval's in WWE, people bitch about him jobbing and how he's not as utilized as he was in the indies, then he gets released, and most likely is going to the indies, and then people bitch about him leaving WWE. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JEEZ!!! Um... The point is that we're upset because he was jobbed out so badly that he felt that he was never going to go anywhere in his career, so he left. The point is that WWE treated him so bad that he asked to leave. And telling people to get over it is just rude. People are upset that we're not going to be able to see great matchups now. We'll never get to see him with Bourne, Mysterio, Punk, etc etc now. People are going to be sad that we'll never see that. I mean hell, I'm still not "over" Caylen Croft getting released. it was about four months. That's a short time to reach the conclusion of NEVER. Frankly, I'm wondering about the number of people who've left WWE recently because they didn't like the schedule. How many people in the 80's or 90's turned down the WWF based on schedules.
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Post by Kae on Dec 26, 2010 10:09:45 GMT -5
Everyone on WWE creative should be fired. They have the guy winning a *predetermined*, rigged contest, and then they have nothing planned for him to do beyond jobbing to an increasing number of other wrestlers. It's beyond a joke.
I'm so sick of hearing the creative has nothing for you excuse. Their damn job is to have something for you. If they can't do that, fire their asses and hire people who can.
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