Just Jay
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Post by Just Jay on Jan 1, 2011 23:42:18 GMT -5
The DBD stuff has to be largely kayfabed yes? Interesting read regardless. That's what I was thinking, too. Otherwise, Miz is quite the ignorant prick. For one, Danielson was never in WWE before 2010 because he chose not to be. Second of all, you can be the best at something without doing it in front of a large television audience. He wasn't called "best in the world" because of how much exposure he got. He got the moniker by putting on the best quality matches in wrestling, WWE or otherwise. I really, really hope Miz is kayfabing here. I hate his character on TV, but I've never had a personal issue with the guy. If he truly feels this way, I also dislike him as a person. Didn't Daniel Bryan not choose to go to the main roster immediately in order to learn the WWE style? |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jan 2, 2011 2:22:16 GMT -5
I don't like how they completely ignore the fact that he wrestled at the Tokyo Dome for New Japan and at Budokan Hall for NOAH. The only person that mentioned it was Josh Matthews. I think Jerry Lawler brought it up once. Michael Cole's Response: Did he ever wrestle at Wrestlemania? I DON'T THINK SOO! (neither did Lawler, but he gets his props). |
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Post by Beartato on Jan 2, 2011 2:39:47 GMT -5
I don't like how they completely ignore the fact that he wrestled at the Tokyo Dome for New Japan and at Budokan Hall for NOAH. The only person that mentioned it was Josh Matthews. I really hate how everyone ignores this and acts like the largest audience Bryan had before NXT was 50 people or something. (Even outside of kayfabe) |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jan 2, 2011 2:45:11 GMT -5
I don't like how they completely ignore the fact that he wrestled at the Tokyo Dome for New Japan and at Budokan Hall for NOAH. The only person that mentioned it was Josh Matthews. I really hate how everyone ignores this and acts like the largest audience Bryan had before NXT was 50 people or something. (Even outside of kayfabe) I think most people, like myself, tend to forget that, since he's primarily an American based wrestler and If it's not TNA or WWe, it doesn't count over here. Now if he Stayed in Japan and was associated with a specific company, and became one of those "Huge stars in Japan" deal, they probably wouldn't overlook it. For all we know, he's just some good American wrestler randomly brought to Japan just like all the TNA guys who show up and wrestle random people without any storylines, and you could go their entire career without ever having known. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 2, 2011 3:19:46 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking, too. Otherwise, Miz is quite the ignorant prick. For one, Danielson was never in WWE before 2010 because he chose not to be. Second of all, you can be the best at something without doing it in front of a large television audience. He wasn't called "best in the world" because of how much exposure he got. He got the moniker by putting on the best quality matches in wrestling, WWE or otherwise. I really, really hope Miz is kayfabing here. I hate his character on TV, but I've never had a personal issue with the guy. If he truly feels this way, I also dislike him as a person. Didn't Daniel Bryan not choose to go to the main roster immediately in order to learn the WWE style? Well, for a long time he just didn't go to WWE because he didn't want to leave the independent scene. |
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Post by Joe Galt on Jan 2, 2011 3:42:18 GMT -5
"And he really, really wants it, which is all you can really ask for." This line, right here, is why I have no sympathy for Kaval quitting. Bryan won "Most Outstanding Wrestler" not just because of his in-ring prowess or how many five-star matches he could do: it's because he had the drive and ambition to succeed so that he could one day work his dream of competing and one day main eventing at Wrestlemania: a dream that could very well come true. It's what separates the Danielsons from the Low-Kis who gave up after just a few months. You can have all the talent in the world, but it's only as good as the drive that goes alongside of it. Bryan voluntarily went through FCW and NXT and a "shoot" firing (I put that in quotations because I still think that he was never really gone) until six months after all of the losing, he got his time to shine. It's why Miz is WWE Champion, Bryan is US Champion, and Kaval is back on the Indies: the winners really, really wanted it and were willing to endure the obstacles put in their path. THIS! |
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Post by efarns on Jan 2, 2011 3:46:39 GMT -5
The DBD stuff has to be largely kayfabed yes? Interesting read regardless. That's what I was thinking, too. Otherwise, Miz is quite the ignorant prick. For one, Danielson was never in WWE before 2010 because he chose not to be. Second of all, you can be the best at something without doing it in front of a large television audience. He wasn't called "best in the world" because of how much exposure he got. He got the moniker by putting on the best quality matches in wrestling, WWE or otherwise. I really, really hope Miz is kayfabing here. I hate his character on TV, but I've never had a personal issue with the guy. If he truly feels this way, I also dislike him as a person. Wrestling is a work. Miz is a wrestler, speaking on record. I live it to you to fill in blanks. |
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 2, 2011 4:12:25 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how it seems all the 'What you did outside of the WWE doesn't mean squat' guys are heels.
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Jan 2, 2011 4:18:29 GMT -5
Didn't Daniel Bryan not choose to go to the main roster immediately in order to learn the WWE style? Well, for a long time he just didn't go to WWE because he didn't want to leave the independent scene. I think he was talking about Bryan willingly going to FCW because he wanted to bang off some rust and get better acclimated with working a WWE style. It's kind of funny how it seems all the 'What you did outside of the WWE doesn't mean squat' guys are heels. Yeah it's like they want you to cheer for guys who came up outside of the WWE when they first come in. Go figure. |
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 2, 2011 4:38:39 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how it seems all the 'What you did outside of the WWE doesn't mean squat' guys are heels. Yeah it's like they want you to cheer for guys who came up outside of the WWE when they first come in. Go figure. Hey, I just thought it was amusing that most of the wrestlers spouting out the WWE's company policy are jerks we're supposed to hate. |
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Jan 2, 2011 5:20:56 GMT -5
Yeah it's like they want you to cheer for guys who came up outside of the WWE when they first come in. Go figure. Hey, I just thought it was amusing that most of the wrestlers spouting out the WWE's company policy are jerks we're supposed to hate. Oh i wasn't attacking you, i was agreeing. ;D. Well known indie wrestlers are usually pushed as faces. I mean when Cole says "Dan Bryan is terrible he only wrestled in font of x amount of people" i don't think fans say "Cole is right!". They probably say "Hey let me check him out to see what he was doing, if Cole hates him he must be great". |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 2, 2011 11:22:46 GMT -5
Yeah it's like they want you to cheer for guys who came up outside of the WWE when they first come in. Go figure. Hey, I just thought it was amusing that most of the wrestlers spouting out the WWE's company policy are jerks we're supposed to hate. Don't forget that kayfabe or no, they have a good reason to be insecure about it. A good deal of smarks hate most of those wrestlers from the get go, because they were never in the indies (and if they were, it was only for 2 or 3 months), and they get to deal with smarky attitudes like if you don't have a good enough workrate for RoH, you're not shit, you're just another clumsy doofus from the FCW Randy Orton Clone Factory, or another Bodybuilder from the Batista Clone Factory who has no business ever being in a ring. A good deal of WWE guys now have spent their entire career "in the system", so to speak, and constantly have to see how horrible a decent portion of the fanbase thinks they are. It shouldn't be surprising that they might be defensive, kayfabe or not. |
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 2, 2011 11:57:25 GMT -5
I'd like to think he was kayfabing, but then again The Miz has had to endure a lot of shit because he was on a reality show, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has a Michael Cole thought process towards indy stars, sadly.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 2, 2011 12:34:09 GMT -5
It just sounds exactly what his character would espouse to me. That paragraph in my view read completely kayfabed.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 2, 2011 12:42:00 GMT -5
This is something common with most interviews with heels, they kinda go into a 'transition zone" where they act in Kayfabe and legit at the same time.
Which makes it seem like they are the uncommitted from Dante's Inferno.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 2, 2011 13:02:21 GMT -5
Ive heard about him and Bryan initially having heat because Bryan initially did resent being the Miz's rookie, but that passed quickly. I dont know. Good interview though.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 2, 2011 13:56:30 GMT -5
Ive heard about him and Bryan initially having heat because Bryan initially did resent being the Miz's rookie, but that passed quickly. I dont know. Good interview though. Meh, I'm rather skeptical of that. From everything I've heard DBD is pretty much the anti-HBK when it comes to backstage politics. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 2, 2011 14:09:24 GMT -5
I'd like to think he was kayfabing, but then again The Miz has had to endure a lot of s*** because he was on a reality show, so I wouldn't be suprised if he has a Michael Cole thought process towards indy stars, sadly. I don't see it as him saying "you were never in the WWE, that means you're not talented. I see it as him saying "You got a lot of credit while in the indies, but you still have to make it here." I don't really see anything that offensive about it, personally. It may be a "WWE vs. the world" attitude, but it is a different stage, regardless of Bryan's reasons for not trying WWE sooner. And yeah, I think part of it is defensiveness. It's only been rather recently that Miz has actually gotten any credit. Miz has been slammed just about his entire run with the company, and when Bryan came in it became a complete punchline that they were booking Miz as his pro on NXT. He has a pretty good reason to defensive, because even if you hate the guy, you have to admit that he was pretty much universally hated up until The Dirt Sheet, and even then most people gave more credit to Morrison. IN fact, it pretty much was the promo he gave after we won the title. Also, if this was kayfabe, Miz wouldn't give Bryan or JBL any props. That clashes with his character quite a bit. |
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Post by crimsonwolf on Jan 2, 2011 14:18:06 GMT -5
This is something common with most interviews with heels, they kinda go into a 'transition zone" where they act in Kayfabe and legit at the same time. Which makes it seem like they are the uncommitted from Dante's Inferno. Yeah I remember a couple of years ago when Orton was saying Eddie was in hell, or some sort like that, during his feud with Mysterio, he stayed in Kay Fabe during an interview about. |
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