Bret Hart Rules
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Post by Bret Hart Rules on Jan 2, 2011 15:44:47 GMT -5
First I thought he was bland and rubbish. Then he won the World title and I thought he was over pushed, bland and rubbish. Then he fought Triple H at WrestleMania and I thought he was bland but average in the ring.
Fast forward now to TLC against John Morrison and WOW! The progression he has made since his first appearance is brilliant. I now look forward to seeing he matches on PPV and hope that he can capture the World title again during this year and have a more dominant reign.
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Post by NYR_Bacon on Jan 2, 2011 15:49:16 GMT -5
I was pretty much the same as you to being with. Became a fan of Big Red about the time he won the title for the second time. Probably after he ran away from Nexus a few months ago, can't hate on the guy after that.
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Post by Greer on Jan 2, 2011 15:52:50 GMT -5
I was pretty much the same as you to being with. Became a fan of Big Red about the time he won the title for the second time. Probably after he ran away from Nexus a few months ago, can't hate on the guy after that. Always hated that he ran away. I don't mind him backing down, but running like a coward for Cena's help, at his size, just looks silly. Still can't take him seriously after that. I think he should have tried to fight them and take the beating. He would have still been hated by the fans and still looked tough. Just my opinion.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2011 15:56:05 GMT -5
If he stays relatively healthy he's going to be a cornerstone for the WWE in the years to come. He has incredible poise for being on the main stage for only about a year, and will probably make a great face sooner or later.
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Post by itssoeasy23 on Jan 2, 2011 16:57:16 GMT -5
I hated the guy when I first saw him.
I though he was just a plae nobody with no talent. And his very akward first WWE Championship reign didn't help matters at all.
Thaan, his second reign changed everything. Form his acting like he was gonna forfiet the championship to yelling "The Champ is Here" was awesome.
The guy really grew on my quick.
Another example is Ziggler. Did'nt know who the hell he was at first. But when I saw the match with Bryan at Bragging Rights. It all changed.
Then he had that match with Cena.
I'm now calling him a future WWE Champion.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 2, 2011 18:08:59 GMT -5
I was all about Sheamus since I first saw him, when he demolished MVP during a recess of Little People's Court.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 2, 2011 19:32:15 GMT -5
if you want to see seamus at his best, youtube 'leprechaun wrestling federation on podge and rodge.' Seamus is the man, but he's still no Finlay.
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Post by Twincest on Jan 2, 2011 20:32:37 GMT -5
I don't like that he dyes his hair.
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Post by Summerfest on Jan 2, 2011 20:53:38 GMT -5
I thought that MVP or Kofi could have won the battle royal instead of him and was pissed off at this blatant politicking. Then he grew on me.
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Post by NYR_Bacon on Jan 2, 2011 20:57:14 GMT -5
I thought that MVP or Kofi could have won the battle royal instead of him and was pissed off at this blatant politicking. Then he grew on me. At the time I was just glad it wasn't Orton.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2011 21:15:52 GMT -5
I thought that MVP or Kofi could have won the battle royal instead of him and was pissed off at this blatant politicking. Then he grew on me. It could be looked at it that way, but given how high most of us have been on the guy, recently, in hindsight, it's pretty likely they saw in Sheamus what we're seeing now. If you saw a guy with tons of potential, you'd capitalize on him and fulfill his potential, would you not?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 21:23:40 GMT -5
I liked Sheamus since his debut. Part of that is natural ginger-bias (which doesn't explain why I've never cared about Heath Slater, but whatever). Most of it, however, is my enjoying him for being a balanced wrestler.
In the ring, he's solid overall. On the mic, he's great for a big man. He's got a fine grasp of match psychology, and sells pretty well, especially for a guy as big as he is. His look is unique. And he has more than adequate charisma to be in the main event as a singles wrestler.
It's wrestlers like those who I like the most. The ones who may not (and often aren't) the best in any one area, but by virtue of their combined attributes, end up being far better than many of their contemporaries. I'm pleased with his spot on the card, glad that they seem to be interested in investing in his ability, and impressed by how fast he's augmented his weaknesses that he had when he debuted. Definitely one of my favorites on the roster these days.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 3, 2011 1:05:00 GMT -5
yeah i gotta agree too, i was completely wrong about Sheamus.
outside of Lesnar and maybe Angle, i can't think of anyone that new that just took to being a champion and main eventer so quickly and so effortlessly. Lesnar and Angle had builds to their wins, and you could tell Sheamus was a bit dodgy in his first reign but he learned from that initial title run. as said, his second was miles better and he carries himself with confidence and poise.
only downfall, also said earlier, was that he ran to Cena during the Nexus angle. he could be the badass version of Anti Cena (ala HHH vs. Batista) but they made him run to CENA of all freaking people. made me hate Cena even more, as if he's the end all be all for everything.
the man who took out HHH and whom HHH is still selling for should not be cowering for Cena's help.
he should be a stand alone badass. also he is an awesome King and you can tell he's loving it.
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Post by ozzyismetal on Jan 3, 2011 1:36:57 GMT -5
I was a fan ever since I saw him live about a month(?) after his debut in 2009 although I was pretty much the only one giving him any kind of reaction. He's only improved from there and is a great company guy who deserves his place in the main event.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 3, 2011 1:41:53 GMT -5
I thought he was over-rated, uncharismatic and WWE might as well cut their losses and release him until the past few months. Now I can see that he's one of the best "new" guys they've had in years.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Jan 3, 2011 2:17:57 GMT -5
Although I try to be an optimist about the potential of most debuting talent and imagine scenarios in which they become "big time", I wasn't feeling much with Sheamus. I thought he was just another big buff dude that happened to be Irish. Like the Highlanders but only one of him.
Now I'm seeing what HHH and company saw. He really really seems to get it. I recall the first time I truly cemented him in my mind as a top guy. It was shortly after his title win I saw an old interview of his from some Irish promotion on Youtube and he was putting over the roster and just talking about wrestling. For me being a top guy is a tough combination. One of the big things is a true and deep appreciation of the art. They all SAY they have it, but I don't believe it from a lot of them. Sheamus has it along with the look and the skills. Its not just a job or something to endure in the way of money and fame. I totally believe he'd be content crashing on a friends couch trying to build a promotion up from nothing.
The latest is his personal embrace of the King of the Ring title. It is typically best served by a heel for obvious reasons, but the fact that no change in what happens to him fazes his core character is a joy to watch along with the story he tells in the ring dependent on what point of the feud or story he currently in. I see a lot of dudes string matches together and the outcome is all that sort of define the conflict. I think I could almost tell chronologically which match went at what point in the feud just by how he sells the psychology during the individual bouts.
So, although I wasn't so keen on the fella right out the gate, I'm pleased with him as one of the new main eventers. Here's hoping he keeps up the pace.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 3, 2011 2:34:24 GMT -5
I can't remember when it was but he did one of those WWE.com chats before a PPV and someone asked him about the Royal Rumble and he said it would be "29 Muppets and 1 Celtic Warrior" if he entered. then someone randomly said "Rey Mysterio could kick your butt" and he said "Probably, that's as high as he can kick."
I knew then that he was gonna be something.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 3, 2011 15:39:07 GMT -5
My big problem was how quickly he was shifted from a monster heel to a chickenshit heel. The hell? But that's not his problem, that's creative's problem. That said, I like Sheamus and hope that his legacy improves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 15:52:29 GMT -5
I too am guilty of this.
When he was on ECW, I thought Goldust carried him through that fued and he would be released or something.
They really let him shine on Smackdown and his promos against HHH were good. The one about how he won't bow down to any king was pretty great, so that won me over.
Since then his stuff has been pretty spot on. He seems like one of those guys who could develop into a very astute student of the game. He's already getting accustomed to using small mannerisms to catch the camera's attention.
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Post by BHB on Jan 3, 2011 16:04:07 GMT -5
It's sad and very indicative of the level the main title(s) are at when a guy who is a two time WWE champion is only just starting to get to main event level in terms of ability and presentation.
Its seems like WWE just want to use the titles (and there should only be one world title IMO, otherwise who is the best in the company?) to get new guys over rather than having an established guy win as a cementing of his career and peak to date. I mean look at Swagger, no push for months then they pushed him straight to the title, then dropped him again which meant nothing in the long run. The title can't make a guy a main eventer and it just serves to make the title and therefore everyone else look bad.
It's quite simple and it's worked for years. There is one world title held by the best wrestler and top star. You build up other guys through wins and convincing performances until they can believably beat the top star and become become a top star themselves.
I do like Sheamus though and think he could be really special in the future. The king gimmick is doing nothing for him though.
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