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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 14, 2011 19:21:46 GMT -5
My first exposure to Morrison is his terribly overhyped Batman stuff of the past few years, so it's really hard for me to bring myself to buy anything with his name on it. go read his runs on Animal Man and X-men, as well as All-star Superman. that'll change your mind. Is it as incomprehensible and "ambiguous" as his Batman crap? Because that was gibberish. And copied Marvel's "Captain America :Reborn" story wholesale from Marvel in The Return of Bruce Wayne.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jun 14, 2011 19:24:49 GMT -5
go read his runs on Animal Man and X-men, as well as All-star Superman. that'll change your mind. Is it as incomprehensible and "ambiguous" as his Batman crap? Because that was gibberish. And copied Marvel's "Captain America :Reborn" story wholesale from Marvel in The Return of Bruce Wayne. I suppose the Weapon Plus arc could be a little odd at time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2011 19:41:19 GMT -5
All Star Superman was really good; but it was mainly just -take a buncha Silver Age and older Superman mythos and throw it in a blender- he did well with it, but his concepts were not exactly ground-breaking or even his own.
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Post by hossfan on Jun 14, 2011 21:03:27 GMT -5
Morrison's JLA run is probably his most straight forward superhero stuff, and most of it is quite good.
I like his Doom Patrol stories best though.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Jun 15, 2011 8:36:34 GMT -5
Grant Morrison's run on The Authority was so bad.
But I've read a lot of his stuff that was really good, too. So I guess it's a crapshoot.
I personally wish that Gail Simone, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, and Robert Kirkman would just write every comic. 4 people can write every comic in the world, right?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 15, 2011 8:44:02 GMT -5
Grant Morrison's run on The Authority was so bad. But I've read a lot of his stuff that was really good, too. So I guess it's a crapshoot. I personally wish that Gail Simone, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, and Robert Kirkman would just write every comic. 4 people can write every comic in the world, right? Throw in Rick Remender and Fred Van Lente, and we've got a six person superteam, I'm sure they can handle it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 15, 2011 10:59:21 GMT -5
go read his runs on Animal Man and X-men, as well as All-star Superman. that'll change your mind. I second the New X-man recommendation. Just remember {Spoiler}its not really Magneto,It's Xorn pretending to be him Why?Because Marvel were pussy's and hit the retcon botton pretty quick. no need to mention the retcon. that was written by someone else much later, and most writers ignored it anyway. I also reccomend Morrison's JLA because that book was made of Win front to back. and none of the stuff I mentioned is "incomprehensible". is it really smart and does it require you pay more attention than a typical comic book? yeah, but it isn't hard to follow. I'd rather read something that challenges me anyway.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 15, 2011 11:00:35 GMT -5
Grant Morrison's run on The Authority was so bad. But I've read a lot of his stuff that was really good, too. So I guess it's a crapshoot. that doesn't count, he only wrote 2 issues. you want to talk about a bad run on the Authority, it begins and ends with Mark Millar. talk about completely missing the point.
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Post by dav on Jun 15, 2011 11:51:51 GMT -5
go read his runs on Animal Man and X-men, as well as All-star Superman. that'll change your mind. I second the New X-man recommendation. Just remember {Spoiler}its not really Magneto,It's Xorn pretending to be him Why?Because Marvel realised how stupid doing that to Magneto's character was and hit the retcon botton pretty quick. Fixed.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 15, 2011 12:29:29 GMT -5
I second the New X-man recommendation. Just remember {Spoiler}its not really Magneto,It's Xorn pretending to be him Why?Because god forbid a supervillain actually act like a supervillain. Fixed. fixed again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 12:54:34 GMT -5
See I never got that. His Batman stuff is actually a really simple story, just told in a really melodramatic way as suited to a man dressed as a bat.
Its a metafictional approach to a character that is superficially incredibly silly yet has acquired actual three dimensions over his 60 year run. And to me thats what his run is a celebration of, of the elevation of a character in a bat costume to that of an international cultural symbol.
Plus on his All-Star Superman stuff, to me what makes it great is the way he writes Superman. Yes its all Silver Age situations, but its a very modern take on the character, through the combination's of the character's biblical aura (the cross between godly power and omniscence and compassion with human emotional frailty) . Yes anyway could hypothetically write a silver age Superman story, but not so many could create a story that highlighting the mythical aspects of the character, a character whose symbol is recognized across the world in a way Batman, Spiderman etc isn't. Morrison made Superman the modern myth in a way that no-one, not even Moore, had suceeded in doing previously of before.
But anywho thats just me.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Jun 15, 2011 13:48:03 GMT -5
I second the New X-man recommendation. Just remember {Spoiler}its not really Magneto,It's Xorn pretending to be him Why?Because god forbid a supervillain actually act like a supervillain.. Fixed. I don't know, I think that Magneto is more complex than that. The character has evolved a lot over the past 40 years. The relationship between Prof X and Magneto is one of ups and downs, but there would never EVER be any sort of reconciliation if Magneto slaughtered Jean Grey, so that would severely limit the characters. Plus, do you think Charles would've tried to help Wanda if it really was Magneto? Then there wouldn't have been a House of M, or Decimation, or any of the following storylines. X-Men Prelude to Schism 2 is a great issue. It gives a lot of insight into the way the character thinks now.
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Post by dav on Jun 15, 2011 14:16:24 GMT -5
Broken actually. Morrison ignored twenty years of character development and establishment to make Magneto into something he wasn't. Magneto is more than a mass murdering psycopath and to write him like that considering the effort Claremont put into making him like that is just dumb.
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Post by s l i k on Jun 15, 2011 14:37:15 GMT -5
Grant is hit or miss for me.
I liked All-Star Superman but I can't stand his Batman.
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Post by hossfan on Jun 15, 2011 14:38:10 GMT -5
I loved Morrison's version of Magneto: A drug huffing, hidebound, terrorist twat. The only problem with the story was killing him off, since it was obvious it would never stick.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 15, 2011 19:38:20 GMT -5
I don't know, I think that Magneto is more complex than that. The character has evolved a lot over the past 40 years. The relationship between Prof X and Magneto is one of ups and downs, but there would never EVER be any sort of reconciliation if Magneto slaughtered Jean Grey, so that would severely limit the characters. Plus, do you think Charles would've tried to help Wanda if it really was Magneto? Then there wouldn't have been a House of M, or Decimation, or any of the following storylines. X-Men Prelude to Schism 2 is a great issue. It gives a lot of insight into the way the character thinks now. but see that's where my problem is. it IS in character for Magneto to do those things. he's ALWAYS had severe mental problems that make him switch back and forth between good guy and bad guy. and to be honest, I never really bought his "good guy" turn to begin with. the guy was a terrorist, and a murderer. he's also very manipulative, so it was more in character that he'd pretend to be a good guy to further a plan than actually join them. this is a guy who, prior to Morrison's run, took off and formed his own country because he couldn't get his way. he also murdered an entire crew of russian submariners because they annoyed him, AFTER his supposed "reformation". and that was written by Chris Claremont, so his whining about it makes him a hypocrite. "it's okkay if I do it, but Magneto's my favorite toy so anyone else's work with the character doesn't count waaa waaa waaa". and then you factor in him losing Genosha, the final event that put him over the edge. not to mention his use of the drug Kick, which as established by Morrison, is trying to make the human race extinct and influences others to achieve its goals. combined with Magneto's already shaky mental state, his actions during Planet X made perfect sense. the fact that the retcon they came up with to change the story being convoluted and nonsensical doesn't help, either. even if you hate how Morrison characterized Magneto, you have to agree that the retcon to undo his work was terrible.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 15, 2011 19:40:42 GMT -5
So, did Reverse Flash change up the world of MARVEl, too?!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 15, 2011 19:42:01 GMT -5
no.... lol I just realized we completely derailed the thread.... sorry guys, I just get a bit touchy about the Xorneto thing.
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Jun 15, 2011 19:44:02 GMT -5
I'll never touch that universe.
Their heroes scare me.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 15, 2011 19:46:41 GMT -5
Ehh, not like this thread hasn't gotten derailed before.....
Well, to ask a question about the topic, we have Hal in the JLA relauch, but what will happen to all the other Lanterns?
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