miffy
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Post by miffy on Mar 21, 2011 18:44:24 GMT -5
I find his voice annoying. He's a bit whiny.
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Post by Kay Faban on Mar 21, 2011 18:46:34 GMT -5
People here hate him because he is a top face in the WWE.
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Post by Kay Faban on Mar 21, 2011 18:47:12 GMT -5
In defense of Rey, it's not like he plays politics, he's not The Undertaker. Just like Cena, he's constantly pushed over more deserving talent because the kids love him. who is more deserving, and why?
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Post by randomranter on Mar 21, 2011 18:50:46 GMT -5
Yay, another one of these threads.....
I'll say what I've said in every single one of the threads that comes up:
Rey is pushed to the moon because he's a top merchandise mover, a top money draw, and is insanely over with WWE's target audience. He will continue to be pushed accordingly as long as this holds true.
The WWE would be borderline retarded for not pushing him this way as long as he continues to rake in money by the metric f***ton. WWE is a business, and in business, you give your customers what they are willing to pay, and pay dearly, for. In the WWE, Rey Mysterio ranks very high on the list of things the fans will pay dearly for.
A lot of people on this board cannot come to grips with the idea that they are not the WWE's target audience, and Vince McMahon couldn't give a s*** less what the IWC -- a very small but very vocal minority of the overall wrestling fanbase -- thinks. Some people on this board think they can outbook Vince McMahon, but if most of their ideas were actually used, the WWE would lose boatloads of money. Simply put, smarks might have a wet dream over seeing Rey become a jobber, but that's not what fans want to see. If Vince actually did that, he'd lose millions in merchandise sales and PPV draws.
People blame Rey for "never losing" or "never putting anyone over", or "stale promos", etc. But in reality, a lot of what Rey does is decided on not by Rey, but by Vince and WWE creative. His storylines are written for him. So are his promos. He works the WWE "safe style". And yes, he can't go in the ring the way he could 15 years ago. But none of that is Rey's fault, yet he's the one who takes it on the chin. Rey is simply being booked in a way that Vince believes will make the most money. "Realism" and "Making shitloads of money" do not go together very often in the world of professional wrestling.
And the most important thing -- every single person on this board would do the exact same thing Rey does if they were in his position. Every. Single. One. Would you say "Hey Vince, I know I'm one of the top money draws of the company and we're both making money hand over fist, but I think I should spend the next few years putting over a bunch of guys who haven't proven they can even draw a dime. I know we'd both lose s***loads of money, but I think it's the right thing to do, don't you?"
Yeah, you wouldn't do that. And guess what. Rey isn't going to do it either. Anyone who says they would is either lying or functionally retarded. You would do exactly what Rey is doing right now -- enjoy your unrealistic superman push and watch the money roll in. Yet people continue to enjoy blaming Rey for things that (a) are out of his control, and (b) they themselves would do and do gladly if they were in his shoes.
The Rey haters love to complain about his "unrealistic booking", yet seem to conveniently forget that 98% of the moves in the "realistic" matches they love so much are even more unrealistic than Rey's booking ever could be. You don't hear them complaining about that, though.
/rant.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 21, 2011 18:55:07 GMT -5
I don't think Rey is just popular with the kids and the hispanic population, but he's generally popular and liked by everyone, or at least that's what I've noticed due to audience response. It's just those two groups are the ones he's most popular with.
Like, John Cena is popular with certain groups, but sometimes people boo him. It's not that frequent that people boo Mysterio.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 21, 2011 18:58:44 GMT -5
Yay, another one of these threads..... I'll say what I've said in every single one of the threads that comes up: Rey is pushed to the moon because he's a top merchandise mover, a top money draw, and is insanely over with WWE's target audience. He will continue to be pushed accordingly as long as this holds true. The WWE would be borderline retarded for not pushing him this way as long as he continues to rake in money by the metric f***ton. WWE is a business, and in business, you give your customers what they are willing to pay, and pay dearly, for. In the WWE, Rey Mysterio ranks very high on the list of things the fans will pay dearly for. A lot of people on this board cannot come to grips with the idea that they are not the WWE's target audience, and Vince McMahon couldn't give a s*** less what the IWC -- a very small but very vocal minority of the overall wrestling fanbase -- thinks. Some people on this board think they can outbook Vince McMahon, but if most of their ideas were actually used, the WWE would lose boatloads of money. Simply put, smarks might have a wet dream over seeing Rey become a jobber, but that's not what fans want to see. If Vince actually did that, he'd lose millions in merchandise sales and PPV draws. People blame Rey for "never losing" or "never putting anyone over", or "stale promos", etc. But in reality, a lot of what Rey does is decided on not by Rey, but by Vince and WWE creative. His storylines are written for him. So are his promos. He works the WWE "safe style". And yes, he can't go in the ring the way he could 15 years ago. But none of that is Rey's fault, yet he's the one who takes it on the chin. And the most important thing -- every single person on this board would do the exact same thing Rey does if they were in his position. Every. Single. One. Would you say "Hey Vince, I know I'm one of the top money draws of the company and we're both making money hand over fist, but I think I should spend the next few years putting over a bunch of guys who haven't proven they can even draw a dime. I know we'd both lose s***loads of money, but I think it's the right thing to do, don't you?" Yeah, you wouldn't do that. And guess what. Rey isn't going to do it either. Anyone who says they would is either lying or functionally retarded. You would do exactly what Rey is doing right now -- enjoy your unrealistic superman push and watch the money roll in. Yet people continue to enjoy blaming Rey for things that (a) are out of his control, and (b) they themselves would do and do gladly if they were in his shoes. /rant. A few things. 1. Why the hell should I care if Rey is a draw? The "millions" he's bringing in doesn't affect me. His boring character does. 2. Does anyone realistically expect Rey to become a jobber? Really? 3. Who personally blames Rey here? Or do people have to qualify that they are criticising the character and not the person? Honestly, who exactly are you ranting against? Because those points apply to nobody here.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Mar 21, 2011 18:59:52 GMT -5
People hate Rey Mysterio because kids like him. That's pretty much the only reason. The guy still puts on quite a few good matches every year. Just in recent years I've seen him have great matches with Jericho, Morrison, Punk, Taker, Del Rio and the list goes on and on. Obviously his style isn't going to be as fast as it was a decade ago, but the guy deserves a lot of credit.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Mar 21, 2011 19:00:12 GMT -5
I think Hate is abit extreme, unless he punched my Mum in the face or spat on my Dad's i have no reason to "Hate" the guy.
I still think he can put on good matches from time to time but his definatly not as high flying as he once was (I suppose that's what all those injuries will do to you)
and i still refuse to accept that Rey was only champ because off Eddies passing, even before he died i had heard it was something they were working on so i think it would have happened Eddie living or dead (they just found it as a good excuse to use it as a storyline)
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 21, 2011 19:03:46 GMT -5
Yay, another one of these threads..... I'll say what I've said in every single one of the threads that comes up: Rey is pushed to the moon because he's a top merchandise mover, a top money draw, and is insanely over with WWE's target audience. He will continue to be pushed accordingly as long as this holds true. The WWE would be borderline retarded for not pushing him this way as long as he continues to rake in money by the metric f***ton. WWE is a business, and in business, you give your customers what they are willing to pay, and pay dearly, for. In the WWE, Rey Mysterio ranks very high on the list of things the fans will pay dearly for. I don't agree with this at all, sorry. Yes he's one of the highest merchandise sellers but that doesn't mean that just because he's booked to not win every single time that his masks and t-shirts would suddenly stop selling. Kids buy his gear because they like him, anyway. Nobody is asking him to go on a jobbing spree (well, maybe his really eccentric haters), just...he doesn't need to win ALL the time.
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Dean-o
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 21, 2011 19:03:51 GMT -5
He's just too broken down. His matches are very boring, and I'm tired of his "underdog" gimmick because he always ends up winning his feuds.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 21, 2011 19:07:29 GMT -5
People hate Rey Mysterio because kids like him. That's pretty much the only reason. Why do so many people always say stuff like this? There have been countless threads with people explaining in very mature and detailed manner why they dislike Rey Mysterio. Just because people don't like someone doesn't make them mindless haters.
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Post by randomranter on Mar 21, 2011 19:15:33 GMT -5
I don't agree with this at all, sorry. Yes he's one of the highest merchandise sellers but that doesn't mean that just because he's booked to not win every single time that his masks and t-shirts would suddenly stop selling. Kids buy his gear because they like him, anyway. Nobody is asking him to go on a jobbing spree (well, maybe his really eccentric haters), just...he doesn't need to win ALL the time. Side story: I was allowed inside what at the time was the Providence Civic Center while they were setting up for the 94 Royal Rumble. (Long story short, the weather was bad and the officials took pity on us poor souls as long as we agreed to stay out of everybody's way.) One of the things we got to witness was setting up the merchandise stands, and a brief meeting between WWE officials (or bookers, or whoever they were) and the vendors. The vendors were told the order of the matches and who was going to win. Basically, it was comments like "Next, Razor is gonna win against IRS, so make sure you have more merch out at the end of that match." Do I know how much wins and losses affect sales? Of course not. I have absolutely no idea how much merchandise moves on a night where Rey wins vs. a night where he loses. But it apparently is significant enough for them to take it under consideration, and Rey's booking is likely done in such a way as to minimize the impact of lost sales on nights where he loses. As for the "He doesn't need to win all the time" bit....why hate Rey for that? That's something to blame WWE creative for.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 21, 2011 19:19:50 GMT -5
He's just too broken down. His matches are very boring, and I'm tired of his "underdog" gimmick because he always ends up winning his feuds. It's not just that he always ends up winning; it also leads to him cutting invariably the same promo every time. I once said in a similar thread that it was similar to what spawned X-Pac heat. I wasn't exactly right on that-I realize he is not getting X-Pac heat from the live crowds. However, the sameness of the character and an inability to change beyond it was what made the IWC turn on X-Pac, and I believe it is also the root of what made it turn on Rey as well.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Mar 21, 2011 19:22:11 GMT -5
People hate Rey Mysterio because kids like him. That's pretty much the only reason. Why do so many people always say stuff like this? There have been countless threads with people explaining in very mature and detailed manner why they dislike Rey Mysterio. Just because people don't like someone doesn't make them mindless haters. I didn't claim anybody was a "mindless hater" or anything. However, the guy still puts on better matches than 80% of the roster yet he's "broken down" supposedly. People say he always plays the underdog and wins "every match", but his title reigns are usually short and meant to put over others. I'm not a fan of the guy, but people who can put on good matches deserve credit.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 21, 2011 19:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, he's really being booked dominantly with his ludicrous two title reigns.
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randomranter
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Post by randomranter on Mar 21, 2011 19:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah, he's really being booked dominantly with his ludicrous two title reigns. One of which consisted of him doing virtually nothing but jobbing clean to every hoss on the roster.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 21, 2011 19:24:40 GMT -5
As for the "He doesn't need to win all the time" bit....why hate Rey for that? That's something to blame WWE creative for. Again, you do realise people are hating on the character and not the man? You do get that?
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Post by randomranter on Mar 21, 2011 19:25:45 GMT -5
As for the "He doesn't need to win all the time" bit....why hate Rey for that? That's something to blame WWE creative for. Again, you do realise people are hating on the character and not the man? You do get that? Even then, the hate is still misdirected. And I suggest re-reading some of the past rey hate threads. While some do direct their hate at the character, there are others who direct their hate at the man. People blame Rey for Eddiesploitation. People blame Rey for involving his son in a storyline. People blame Rey for playing politics or refusing to put people over. Rey the person gets plenty of hate on these boards.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 21, 2011 19:27:25 GMT -5
As for the "He doesn't need to win all the time" bit....why hate Rey for that? That's something to blame WWE creative for. Again, you do realise people are hating on the character and not the man? You do get that? Except they're not. They're calling out Rey the person for exploiting Eddie's death, exploiting his children, and basically secretly being mini-Triple H.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 21, 2011 19:30:45 GMT -5
Honestly I can see why they push Rey but it does look silly given his size. Then again if they went for realism Big Show would always win anyway.
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