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Post by fodgie on Feb 28, 2011 9:10:18 GMT -5
Hi, First of all, I've enjoyed reading these forums for around 6 years and finally, I have created an account in the hope to contribute in some form I've been watching Nitros from 1999, around the time Savage made his comeback with Gorgeous George. Is it just me that feels the character Savage played around this time just felt weird? Never really got the whole new look and character at all.
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Feb 28, 2011 10:59:17 GMT -5
Hello and welcome! Great first topic by the way. I love discussing wCw's Nash the booker era.
Yeah it just wasn't the same watching MMRS w/o the frills and cowboy hat. I didn't get the valet, Madusa and bodyguard Sid enterage at all. OK so you got a bunch of guys who can do a run-in. And why else am I supposed to hate you? Savage should of treated George the way he did Mis Elizabeth back in the mid 80's. I think that was a huge problem w/ heels during the wrestling boom especially in wCw. They were booked to be so cool... how could they possible generate heat. So to me the character lacked layers. It was one dimensional. And if you compare that to the Macho Man character prior to all this. It becomes a huge let down.
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Post by fodgie on Feb 28, 2011 18:28:08 GMT -5
I have to agree first of all with your point regarding the outfit he would wear. It just didn't suit what was previously associated with Savage, even during his nWo days I felt his attire suited him. Although, by this point, his attire just made him look ridiculous. Also, great point about trying to be "cool", the nature of it didn't work for Savage at all.
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Post by Hammer Smashed Ball on Feb 28, 2011 18:44:39 GMT -5
I was a huge Savage mark when I was younger, however, I didn‘t really follow his career in WCW (too much WWF Attitude running through my VEINS). Anyways, I remember I started to watch a little bit of WCW around this time because I had become curious about what was going on over there. I was so thrown off when I saw Savage like this. Like Fodgie mentioned, I also felt very weird seeing him in that role.
His stature as a cool heel is definitely what solidified this feeling. The original Savage wore flamboyantly-colorful clothing and didn‘t care what that would label him as. The ‘99 Savage seemd to want to distance himself from that, kind of like he was conforming to the public opinion.
But hey!
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Post by wcw on Feb 28, 2011 19:12:30 GMT -5
The reason Savage looked out of place in 1999 was because the guy was pushing 50 and he had been in WCW for 5 years at that point. The guy had clearly peaked. There was nothing for Savage to do past 1998. Hell even Savage in 1998 as his "Madness" NWO character had begun to wane in 1998. A year later. a year older, and with an out of place character it was just past Savages time.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Feb 28, 2011 23:26:47 GMT -5
lol, no way savage was psuhing 50 in 1999. maybe early 40s
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Feb 28, 2011 23:42:43 GMT -5
He was 47 to be clear. I still liked him though it was weird.
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Post by CJ on Mar 1, 2011 3:45:19 GMT -5
He just looked odd. The increased mass, the rogain, the ponytail, the women... it just didn't feel like the Macho Man He was nowhere near the athlete he was years earlier... he was just past his prime, trying to do something different with his gimmick and it sucked His feud with Nash was brutal... awful stuff
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Post by Chronos on Mar 1, 2011 6:06:34 GMT -5
First of all, welcome to the forums! Enjoy your time here. He just looked odd. The increased mass, the rogain, the ponytail, the women... it just didn't feel like the Macho Man I think this sums it up very well. His theme song was even changed to try and make him "cooler," and it just didn't work at all. I still marked for him, I mean, he's Randy Savage, but the whole Team Madness thing was a failed experiment. It just wasn't the Macho Man. For what it's worth, it did eventually give us "Send for the Man," though. EDIT: watching his match with Nash at GAB '99 now and there's an awesome comment for the vid: "You can't put the Macho Man in black and white! He just turns into Mr. Poffo from next door. The videoscope is in living Technicolor for a reason, dig it?"
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Post by vajayajayava on Mar 1, 2011 7:46:59 GMT -5
A lot of people refer to this as the "Mid-life crisis era Macho Man." The best part of the whole thing was the introduction of Gorgeous George and the girl (Miss Madness, I believe) who would eventually portray Molly Holly. It's sad to think back, that this was almost the last hoorah for Randy Savage. I barely remember his short stint in TNA.
Savage was at his best, early on, In WCW, while feuding with Flair and DDP. When he became Hogan's and eventually Nash's lackey he lost that edge he had. At least in the early part of 1999 they pulled away from the NWO storyline and tried to put more focus on the characters of these guys, instead of factions. Too bad it was too late for a lot of these guys' careers and WCW as a whole.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 1, 2011 8:20:18 GMT -5
It was sad to watch. 98 you have to remember that Savage had that knee problem most of the year. I think that what took Savage ablity away. Ever sense that knee injury he was not the same in the ring. The character I agree just didn't seem like Savage at all.
He was in great shape by looking at him. But maybe to much mass I don't know. He just wasn't the same in the ring. He really look like everything he tried to protect that knee.
I remember reading a report about how he hurt Evan Karagias with the elbow. Because he land on his chest. Instead of the normal way. You notice how he never did the axle handle from the top.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 2, 2011 4:09:53 GMT -5
Lots of comments here I agree with. Savage was still useful in WCW up until this year onwards, where it all came to a screeching halt with one of the more obvious roided-up looks you'll see in wrestling, many bad matches and promos that were repetative and nonsensical...more so than usual, anyway.
'Team Madness' was easy on the eye but they could've worked without him. It just looked like an old guy dying his hair and trying to be hip by hanging around young girls.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 2, 2011 5:30:57 GMT -5
It also didn't help that this was one of the lowest points in WCW. Savage's run as the main heel came about during the "summer of suck" that culminated with Bischoff's ousting. The whole product was terribly bland and trying way to hard to play catch-up with WWF Attitude while still being PG, giving us weird characters like "Team Madness" Macho Man and Tommy Hilfiger-wearing Kevin Nash.
Actually, modern-day John Cena would have been perfect there.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 2, 2011 14:57:01 GMT -5
If I recall correctly he disappeared after his match with Rodman. Then he showed up on the first Nitro written by Russo/Ferrara in October 1999 and cut a promo about how he's hung (yes, seriously) and said he'd find a protege to mentor. Than he didn't show up again until coming out of a limo to join the Millionaire's Club in spring 2000.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Mar 2, 2011 19:46:34 GMT -5
I agree with most of the points listed here, but am I the only one who at least thought that his theme song from that time was awesome?
"What up, Mach!!!!!!"
"OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH, YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!"
DUNDUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN!!!
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Post by godson on Mar 2, 2011 23:03:22 GMT -5
He was a non factor, Sid was the real star and his monster push was actually booked well. They had no chance of beating WWE but no one had a chance so it was a moot point.
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Post by flatsdomino on Mar 3, 2011 0:55:55 GMT -5
It also didn't help that this was one of the lowest points in WCW. Savage's run as the main heel came about during the "summer of suck" that culminated with Bischoff's ousting. The whole product was terribly bland and trying way to hard to play catch-up with WWF Attitude while still being PG, giving us weird characters like "Team Madness" Macho Man and Tommy Hilfiger-wearing Kevin Nash. This. Savage was apparently a woman-beating badass heel with attitude now, and wound up fighting DENNIS RODMAN who was a face because, IIRC, he f***ed one of Macho's girls by forcing himself on them? And somewhere in there, Flair became a heel and usurped Bischoff's character, DDP won the world title, Nash booked himself as the Stone Cold of WCW, Sting got attacked by dogs, Hogan turned face, Goldberg became irrelavent, Nash turned heel, and poop was dumped on the Macho Man.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 3, 2011 1:38:54 GMT -5
It also didn't help that this was one of the lowest points in WCW. Savage's run as the main heel came about during the "summer of suck" that culminated with Bischoff's ousting. The whole product was terribly bland and trying way to hard to play catch-up with WWF Attitude while still being PG, giving us weird characters like "Team Madness" Macho Man and Tommy Hilfiger-wearing Kevin Nash. This. Savage was apparently a woman-beating badass heel with attitude now, and wound up fighting DENNIS RODMAN who was a face because, IIRC, he f***ed one of Macho's girls by forcing himself on them? And somewhere in there, Flair became a heel and usurped Bischoff's character, DDP won the world title, Nash booked himself as the Stone Cold of WCW, Sting got attacked by dogs, Hogan turned face, Goldberg became irrelavent, Nash turned heel, and poop was dumped on the Macho Man. and yet people blame Russo for killing WCW several months after this.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 3, 2011 3:04:58 GMT -5
It also didn't help that this was one of the lowest points in WCW. Savage's run as the main heel came about during the "summer of suck" that culminated with Bischoff's ousting. The whole product was terribly bland and trying way to hard to play catch-up with WWF Attitude while still being PG, giving us weird characters like "Team Madness" Macho Man and Tommy Hilfiger-wearing Kevin Nash. This. Savage was apparently a woman-beating badass heel with attitude now, and wound up fighting DENNIS RODMAN who was a face because, IIRC, he f***ed one of Macho's girls by forcing himself on them? And somewhere in there, Flair became a heel and usurped Bischoff's character, DDP won the world title, Nash booked himself as the Stone Cold of WCW, Sting got attacked by dogs, Hogan turned face, Goldberg became irrelavent, Nash turned heel, and poop was dumped on the Macho Man. You forgot about the Hummer controversy that was dropped and revisited about five times until the driver was finally revealed to be Bischoff on the April 10 episode, long after it meant anything.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 3, 2011 4:36:46 GMT -5
'Send For The Man' is awesome, but Savage as a woman-abusing heel was really cheap and tacky. and yet people blame Russo for killing WCW several months after this. Hey, Bischoff largely has a career thanks to people thinking nWo but forgetting about all the crap he did before Russo came along. Bischff made WCW soar, but he also made it nosedive just as bad.
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