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Post by diegorivera on Jul 18, 2011 22:36:16 GMT -5
Great MOMENT, sure, but as far as a full episode I thought this one was better. And I'm dead serious. I know it's confusing to find someone on here who actually still really ENJOYS wrestling but I assure you people like me do exist. That episode had good matches, this one had meh matches All of which involved guys that had been in a ladder match roughly 24 hours prior. And most of them wrestled multiple times tonight. Cut them a little slack. Assuming the tourney is still on I'd rather have Rey/Miz with both guys relatively fresh.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 18, 2011 22:36:46 GMT -5
Was there any point to that divas match? Given the stare she gave it seemed to set up Beth as Kelly's next challenger, but chances are nothing will actually come of it. Plus the multi-Diva tag matches usually are the last time we see certain Divas before they're future endeavored. Sort of a final chance to get them all on television.
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Post by BlahBlah on Jul 18, 2011 22:37:06 GMT -5
I really need to stop looking at these threads after enjoying a show. Pretty much. I thought the tournament was garbage but they got me right back with that ending. Can we at least see where it goes before it gets crapped on? Trips in charge could actually be pretty awesome. Yeah yeah I know, they always let you down but I guess with me they've built up a ton of goodwill in the last few weeks and I'm more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out before going off the deep end.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 18, 2011 22:37:32 GMT -5
Maybe the tourney itself is null and void. Vince set it up, perhaps all his decisions are done.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 18, 2011 22:38:09 GMT -5
"And also The Nexus limo driver, not that anybody remembers or cares, but anyway..." "BTW guys, I was also behind GTV, knocking Edge out at No Way Out 2003 and I was Heidenreich's Little Johnny. Also, I moved the suitcase out of the way so Austin couldn't get it at King of the Ring '99, but decided to let Bossman take credit for it because he looked so bored and lonely." *Guy in crowd raises his hand* HHH: "Yes, you" Guy: "What about the white Hummer, was that you too?" HHH: "Yeah, sure, why not...that was me."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 22:38:10 GMT -5
I personally thought Rey / Ziggler was awesome. The others varied but nothing too bad, and credit's due to Swagger and Truth for despite being two heels managing to get the crowd into it.
Still find it funny that Rey was freaking out and complaining over being told that he could have a week off to rest for the title match.
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Post by Green Arrow on Jul 18, 2011 22:38:30 GMT -5
I find it funny that people are begging for Cena to be gone as per stipulations, but Bitching and moaning when Punk doesn't show up, even though he's "Not with WWE anymore"
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jul 18, 2011 22:38:33 GMT -5
I have to say, I enjoyed tonight's RAW. I liked the focus on actual wrestling and hope they try to stick to something like that in the future. As far as the final segment goes, WOW some people need to get a grip. I for one am curious to see how it develops. I'm seriously blown away from some of the posts on here. Is the art of the long angle dead? I don't think so, I like things being played out over a long time period...so I have a tendency not to go "UGH THEY BLEW IT" within 24 hours of a company starting a big big angle. It was unexpected (well, to some people not named Rican :-P ), sends off (assumedly) the Mr. McMahon character from TV, and gives us MR. HELMSLEY (or at least a HHH running the show being maybe more face-like than the McMahon-Helmsley regime), which I'm interested to see how they utilize. Ideally, I'd have his role limited (I find the concept of a GM showing up all over the show to be a bit outdated), but wouldn't be surprised if what ends up happening is that the Anon GM is phased out to be replaced by HHH. At least I won't have to hear that iPhone ding and AND I QUOTE anymore...
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Post by foxy on Jul 18, 2011 22:40:12 GMT -5
'HHH' just started trending in the UK.
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Post by Piccolo on Jul 18, 2011 22:41:23 GMT -5
I totally understand the complaint about this turning into the McMahon show again (much as I marked for Trips' music). But... I think it has to be. The nature of Punk's rebellion isn't a thing wrestlers can fix through matches and promos. His beef is with the company leadership, the vision of wrestling in WWE compared to the vision he and others have of it, the decisions that attitude leads to.
The war for the belt needs to be reflected in the war for the company's reins, two stories running parallel, acting and reacting against each other. Punk needs to the central figure of this story, because 99% of the fan interest is with him and it's his baby, really. But I think it's smart and necessary to have the corporate pieces on the chess board, too. Again, as reactors to Punk's actions, as sympathizers or antagonists as the story moves forward, until they finally shake out a new direction.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 18, 2011 22:42:17 GMT -5
I find it funny that people are begging for Cena to be gone as per stipulations, but Bitching and moaning when Punk doesn't show up, even though he's "Not with WWE anymore" Eh, if the guy we like has to leave, the guy we don't like* should have to go, to. Dulls the pain a little. *I actually like Cena just fine, but I know others don't.
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Post by King Boo on Jul 18, 2011 22:42:44 GMT -5
Then we shall acknowledge our difference of opinion and nod curtly at one another from across the POV divide madam. Heh deal.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 18, 2011 22:43:24 GMT -5
I totally understand the complaint about this turning into the McMahon show again (much as I marked for Trips' music). But... I think it has to be. The nature of Punk's rebellion isn't a thing wrestlers can fix through matches and promos. His beef is with the company leadership, the vision of wrestling in WWE compared to the vision he and others have of it, the decisions that attitude leads to. The war for the belt needs to be reflected in the war for the company's reins, two stories running parallel, acting and reacting against each other. Punk needs to the central figure of this story, because 99% of the fan interest is with him and it's his baby, really. But I think it's smart and necessary to have the corporate pieces on the chess board, too. Again, as reactors to Punk's actions, as sympathizers or antagonists as the story moves forward, until they finally shake out a new direction. I hope you're right, because then I'm sold. Nicely thought out.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 18, 2011 22:45:15 GMT -5
One thing I'll say about this:
If this is truly the last hurrah for the Mr. McMahon character, then it's been a heck of a ride, but it is time.
Vince before when he would come out as Mr. McMahon had a life to him. But except for a little bit at the start of Raw tonight, the past few times we've seen him, he's been showing his age. Looks haggard, doesn't seem to have the energy about him anymore.
So...I feel it is time for Vince to stay in the shadows as the "director and executive producer" as it were, while the players have the stage.
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Post by manicuno on Jul 18, 2011 22:45:21 GMT -5
I really need to stop looking at these threads after enjoying a show. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 18, 2011 22:49:16 GMT -5
I find it amusing as to everyone is saying give what is happening a chance. Why? Look at how poorly they handled the Legacy vs. Triple H feud, look at how promising Nexus started out, and now the whole Punk/Cena angle has been forgotten about.
Cena storyline wise is supposed to be fired and he still has his music, gets mic time, and still shows up? Come on now. It's getting ridiculous and it's time the WWE removes these Hollywood writers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 22:50:26 GMT -5
Ben Franklin said it best... "He that can have patience can have what he will." Give it time, wrestling nerds. All will be fine in due time.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 18, 2011 22:50:37 GMT -5
Truthfully, Bret beating Vince at WM was supposed to be the end of the Mr. McMahon character too. You know Vince will be back in a month or two to go against Hunter.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jul 18, 2011 22:50:58 GMT -5
I find it amusing as to everyone is saying give what is happening a chance. Why? Look at how poorly they handled the Legacy vs. Triple H feud, look at how promising Nexus started out, and now the whole Punk/Cena angle has been forgotten about. Cena storyline wise is supposed to be fired and he still has his music, gets mic time, and still shows up? Come on now. It's getting ridiculous and it's time the WWE removes these Hollywood writers. To be fair, Punk should have been forgotten about storylinewise. He left the company with the belt. Why give him screen time?
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Post by MGH on Jul 18, 2011 22:51:05 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment.
So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai."
.....so much for that.
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