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Post by jrcz on Jul 18, 2011 22:51:24 GMT -5
anyway great show. worth staying up.
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Post by Green Arrow on Jul 18, 2011 22:52:11 GMT -5
I find it amusing as to everyone is saying give what is happening a chance. Why? Look at how poorly they handled the Legacy vs. Triple H feud, look at how promising Nexus started out, and now the whole Punk/Cena angle has been forgotten about. Cena storyline wise is supposed to be fired and he still has his music, gets mic time, and still shows up? Come on now. It's getting ridiculous and it's time the WWE removes these Hollywood writers. Start of the show they made it clear that he wasn't fired yet, but Cena thought it was a formality...
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jul 18, 2011 22:53:13 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. I do admit opening it up with a tournament was a dumb idea. The only reason I'm letting it slide is that I see Punk sending in a video for a future Raw stating that, since he's currently the WWE Champion, they can't have a tournament to crown a new one.
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Post by Green Arrow on Jul 18, 2011 22:53:44 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. By no means saying i'm right, but I read the ending as more the case of: "The board don't like how you're dealing with the Punk situation, HHH can deal with it better, you're Relieved of your Duties, so HHH can get down to business and sort this shit out"
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jul 18, 2011 22:54:45 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. Did you see a new belt? Vince made the tournament because he didn't have a clue what to do and that's why he's been fired. And anyway, what's he expected to do, not bother having a world title because CM Punk has the real one? It's not like the WWE title's never been vacated before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 22:55:33 GMT -5
That part was strange, especially when you consider that Cole was pushing the WWE title as the holy grail last night and if it left the company" what would happen?" etc.
Overall I liked the show, though I can't stress enough how much I hate single night tournament shows.
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Post by Error on Jul 18, 2011 22:56:33 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. That is pretty much why I hated this RAW. It was supposed to be WWE and Vince in turmoil, things going crazy but, instead it started with "Everything you've seen over the last three weeks, forget it. Here is a night filled with the same 4 guys. I don't mind the Trips stuff but, it took everything I loved about the last few weeks and ignored it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 22:56:42 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. That and the fact that Cena didn't even miss one week of TV make it feel like MiTB and all the build-up was a huge waste.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 18, 2011 22:56:52 GMT -5
If they were keeping this blend of reality and kayfabe going, wouldn't HHH NOT have been handed the reigns either? I mean his first hire in talent relations just got taken down for alleged steroid use.
#justsaying
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Post by Piccolo on Jul 18, 2011 22:57:42 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. I do admit opening it up with a tournament was a dumb idea. The only reason I'm letting it slide is that I see Punk sending in a video for a future Raw stating that, since he's currently the WWE Champion, they can't have a tournament to crown a new one. Agreed. The chaos doesn't necessarily start the next night... this is the shell-shocked calm before the consequences. All the wrestlers were sitting in front of the TV, waiting for direction. Vince, equally desperate to paper this whole thing over, gave them something to focus on; they latched onto it and pretended like it was normal. Except for pretending that the guy who holds the real belt never existed. Except for not even being able to say his NAME. Except for the fact that Vince is now fired, Hunter's taking over, and we still don't know what the heck we're gonna do when the real champ takes the belt somewhere else and makes hay out of the fact that we couldn't even hold on to our own title. Heads in the sand. Hopefully it's not gonna be like this for long, though. I'm ready for all hell to break loose.
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Post by King Boo on Jul 18, 2011 22:58:04 GMT -5
OK so put aside the Triple H and Vince stuff and whatever. Thinking about it here is what I don't get. They took me right out of this from the beginning with that stupid tournament announcement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire point of the last three weeks that if Punk won and left with the belt that chaos was going to be unleashed? Vince was going to be humiliated, the company was going to be permanently damaged, Punk was going to turn everything upside down taking THE WWE Championship to some other organization. It was supposed to be anarchy. They built it up as some hardcore moment. So how do they start the show? "We won't be saying his name, we're crowning a new champion tonight, we have a belt ready, thanks, bai." .....so much for that. "If he gets up, we'll all get up, it'll be anarchy. "
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Post by mysterydriver on Jul 18, 2011 23:02:44 GMT -5
The tournament worked for me because of how it fit the "Embarrassment" thing.
I know that I do my best to move past embarrassing situations as quick as possible without saying anything and stewing on the inside. Why wouldn't a man who just caused his own troubles try and do the same?
Why would Vince come out and go crazy bemoaning what happened? He told Cena not to lose. Due to his own distrust in "his" guy, Cena lost. Punk left. Vince was completely embarrassed.
So he tried to move past it as quick as possible by declaring Punk a naughty word and throwing a makeshift tournament together. Ignoring or angrily staring at anyone who tries to bring it up because he just wants it over. Makes sense to me.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 18, 2011 23:09:12 GMT -5
I had another idea actually. Vince should have simply brought Del Rio out and continued the antics from the PPV. Del Rio could simply say "CM Punk, I wanted to cash in last night but you ran. Now I want to cash in." Since Punk obviously wasn't there he would end up forfeiting that match and Del Rio is simply the new WWE champion.
I hate to say this but why was everyone expecting total anarchy if Punk won? He has a toy belt now and isn't recognized as anything, much like Hogan at Bash at the Beach 2000 when Jarrett did the Fingerpoke for him and Russo buried Hogan on the mic. In fact I was more interested in how the tourney was going to play out. I thought with Rey gassed and Miz having a bad leg that the winner was a sitting duck for Del Rio to cash in. I figured that was what they had in mind...Del Rio jobs first round, but cashes in on the winner (who had to wrestle 3 times), then Alberto reveals he basically tanked the tourney to save himself.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 19, 2011 0:06:31 GMT -5
I really need to stop looking at these threads after enjoying a show. You and me both.
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Post by sprawl on Jul 19, 2011 0:11:27 GMT -5
Triple who? Ricardo
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Post by rchi84 on Jul 19, 2011 0:46:07 GMT -5
I can't believe how well my first round of predictions has gone I made this prediction in the summerslam thread.. Here's what I think will happen. tomorrow on RAW, Vince comes out to call out Punk to plead him to reconsider. Punk doesn't come out, but Cena makes his way to the ring. Vince yells at him and Cena throws his cap down and unloads on Vince verbally, blaming him for the lack of faith and doubts, despite all that he's done for the WWE. Vince glares at him and then gets ready to fire him when the GM bell chimes and the GM announces that he's had enough and is coming to take charge tonight. In the last segment, Vince comes down to the ring, shaken and ashen faced and gets a mic. Cena makes his way out looking glum. Vince glares at him and gets ready to fire Cena again when the chime goes off, and then.. TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!! Doofus comes out and yells at vince for screwing things and for interfering that caused this hijacking of the title. He also points out the stupidity of a clause which would cause WWE to loose their crown jewel (Cena). He says that the rest of the board members have arrived at a decision and that is future endeavours. Crowd boos and Cena's head hangs down in disappointment as HHH takes the mic and says "Vince.. YOU'RE FIRED!!!". Next week on RAW, HHH makes the match for summerslam, Punk vs Cena with a caveat. If Punk wins, Cabana gets recalled and Cena will be gone, but if Cena wins, Punk goes forever, just like he wants. Then at Summerslam, it's a hard fought contest again, and Cena is on the verge of victory, when there's a ref bump(as usual). Then Hunter runs in, and Cena stands confused, when SWERVE, Hunter pedigrees Cena and it's revealed that Punk and Hunter have joined forces to infuse NEW BLOOD into the WWE. Cena, Johnny Ace and Vince represent the old attitude, which Hunter is sick of. Hunter runs the company with Punk as his hitman, and then Vince makes a return with Cena around Royal Rumble to reclaim and save the WWE. Cena vs Punk for the control of the WWE at RR. Rock gets involved, and you think he's gonna go for Cena, but SWERVE, he pedigrees HHH, and just like that, Cena wins(as usual), VKM is chairman again, and as thanks, Rock vs Cena is official for WM, and HHH vs Punk as a fallout. Let me drop my Russo hat now.
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Post by wcw on Jul 19, 2011 0:56:53 GMT -5
I find it amusing as to everyone is saying give what is happening a chance. Why? Look at how poorly they handled the Legacy vs. Triple H feud, look at how promising Nexus started out, and now the whole Punk/Cena angle has been forgotten about. Cena storyline wise is supposed to be fired and he still has his music, gets mic time, and still shows up? Come on now. It's getting ridiculous and it's time the WWE removes these Hollywood writers. To be fair, Punk should have been forgotten about storylinewise. He left the company with the belt. Why give him screen time? If they gave you a payoff that night people would be saying how Punk leaving with the title didn't really mean much he showed up the next day. Yet if they hold off on the payoff and actually make it seem like he is gone people complain about it being forgot about. Wow some people can't be pleased. Raw tonight was the first Raw I had to watch since the Raw after the Nexus debuted. And it was actually a dam good Raw. People let these angles flesh out before you crap on them. We have a new authority figure, a title situation in Jeopardy, and now we have a rouge champion out there. The WWE is actually taking chances with their booking. Its not perfect but hey its a more then watchable show.
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Post by alabastergrim on Jul 19, 2011 1:04:48 GMT -5
The tournament made perfect sense honestly. What wouldn't make sense is if Vince ran around yelling "WHAT DO WE DO NOW!?" for the show. Vince had to move on and this is the idea he came up with.
Honestly, best Raw in awhile and I've generally been on the "WWE sucks now" bandwagon. But the build-up to last night's PPV and Raw tonight were astounding and I feel like I HAVE to tune in next Monday, which I literally haven't felt since the Attitude Era.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jul 19, 2011 1:43:34 GMT -5
Yeah...seeing how this whole angle is trying to blur kayfabe and reality as to what goes on in WWE corporate, why would you not think they'd try sweeping this under the rug as quickly as possible? That certainly seems how they've handled previous black marks on the company. So the whole concept of "We won't mention HIM anymore, new champ decided tonight" doesn't disappoint me one bit. Regardless of what they do along those lines (and Rey/Miz might not even be for the title now since that was Vince's idea, and he's gone), we all know who the real champ is, and that'll be brought up sooner or later.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jul 19, 2011 3:54:38 GMT -5
Could've been a great night but the whack ass Green Bay People ruined it. You suck.... go eat some cheese... Go Steelers!
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