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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 17:06:06 GMT -5
Jay Lethal also had a nice feud against Team 3D and Johnny Devine to save the honor of the X Division. Lethal was EXTREMELY over for awhile thanks to the PCS. This also helped get Shelley even more over, but when Aries decided to say no to a feud against Bob Backlund things got changed. yeah. They tried to get Dutt over too, but he failed at everything. And Low Ki was just there. The PCS was a good time, I'd be for something like that again. |
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jul 4, 2011 17:07:22 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by how Nash and the rest of the Kliq suddenly have 'great minds for the business' now that they're in charge at the WWE.
Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW?
Is this not the same Nash that thought guys like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho were 'vanilla midgets'?
I fail to see how he was a great mind for anything but looking out for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 17:11:16 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by how Nash and the rest of the Kliq suddenly have 'great minds for the business' now that they're in charge at the WWE. Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW? Is this not the same Nash that thought guys like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho were 'vanilla midgets'? I fail to see how he was a great mind for anything but looking out for himself. Well, thats because he was booking was booking wasnt he? thats where all the problems were, if i'm not mistaken. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 4, 2011 19:03:10 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by how Nash and the rest of the Kliq suddenly have 'great minds for the business' now that they're in charge at the WWE. Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW? Is this not the same Nash that thought guys like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho were 'vanilla midgets'? I fail to see how he was a great mind for anything but looking out for himself. I think the hope is that since he and Hunter are removed from the actual in-ring product, they can use what they know about the business more fairly. And X-Pac, of all people, has posted a few reviews of shows lately that are really insightful. He praises what he liked and gives constructive feedback for stuff he thought didn't work. |
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Post by Trip Fisk a.k.a. Foley is Good on Jul 4, 2011 20:57:51 GMT -5
Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW? I thought Turner Broadcasting killed WCW since it did not match the direction they were going in. Oh wait, this is the internet, and we're supposed to hate someone who doesn't put on five star matches. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 4, 2011 21:02:01 GMT -5
Well, a run has both a starting point and an ending point there, pal. What was that, 2006, 2007? And it had him over (even after) until 2010? So a three year solid run, which was the biggest run of his career? That's a bad thing? You're really going to argue semantics with a stupid argument like that? Everyone's run eventually comes to an end unless you're a huge star. But I'll let your hate for Kevin Nash blind you from making rational arguments. Problem being that that "three year run" featured about a year and a half basically being used as a random face in the crowd for TNA. He had like....A match with Kurt Angle, and from there.....what did he do that was notable in any way that can be attributed to the PCS again? and that's Nash's fault that TNA misused Jay Lethal after Nash did everything he could to help the guy get over.  |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 4, 2011 21:07:50 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by how Nash and the rest of the Kliq suddenly have 'great minds for the business' now that they're in charge at the WWE. Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW? Is this not the same Nash that thought guys like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho were 'vanilla midgets'? I fail to see how he was a great mind for anything but looking out for himself. couple things. 1.Yeah Nash had troubles booking, but he wasn't the one that put himself over Goldberg (he took over 2 months later). But if you listen to what he says now a days he does have a very good mind for the business and putting matches together. Putting him in charge of developmental could really help the young guys. 2.Different times. Nash himself even says he wishes he was a better person back then, and that he didn't have drug problems. Now he's older, wiser, and clean. 3. Jericho was out the door before Nash had anything to do with booking. Nash openly says he holds no grudges, he just tried to get the most money he could. He also said more power to whoever got more money than him, but he wasn't going down fighting. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 4, 2011 21:34:35 GMT -5
Is this not the same Nash that helped kill WCW? I thought Turner Broadcasting killed WCW since it did not match the direction they were going in. Oh wait, this is the internet, and we're supposed to hate someone who doesn't put on five star matches. And if the booking had kept the ratings up, WCW would have ABSOLUTELY matched the "new direction". The corporation would not have cut off a profitable arm out of spite because it "didn't match the direction". It was about money, they weren't making it, because of shit booking by names like Nash and Russo. |
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Jul 4, 2011 21:41:52 GMT -5
I'd rather not. While I did laugh at times I really didn't like the visual of the TNA segments. The cruiserweights came off like bickering children while the much larger nash came off like a baby sitter. They do not need to come off looking inferior to an old retired wrestler. Also there is enough 'comedy' in the WWE right now.
Although I would not complain if it lead to Daniel Bryan vs. Bob Backlaund.
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Post by Trip Fisk a.k.a. Foley is Good on Jul 4, 2011 23:28:14 GMT -5
I thought Turner Broadcasting killed WCW since it did not match the direction they were going in. Oh wait, this is the internet, and we're supposed to hate someone who doesn't put on five star matches. And if the booking had kept the ratings up, WCW would have ABSOLUTELY matched the "new direction". The corporation would not have cut off a profitable arm out of spite because it "didn't match the direction". It was about money, they weren't making it, because of s*** booking by names like Nash and Russo. Highly doubt it. Turner wanted to distance themselves from "lowbrow" entertainment, and to the brass at Turner, I imagine wrestling didn't fit the bill. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 4, 2011 23:31:17 GMT -5
And if the booking had kept the ratings up, WCW would have ABSOLUTELY matched the "new direction". The corporation would not have cut off a profitable arm out of spite because it "didn't match the direction". It was about money, they weren't making it, because of s*** booking by names like Nash and Russo. Highly doubt it. Turner wanted to distance themselves from "lowbrow" entertainment, and to the brass at Turner, I imagine wrestling didn't fit the bill. Again, you'd be SHOCKED what "fits the bill" when it's making you millions of dollars. |
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Post by Lardlad on Jul 5, 2011 11:45:47 GMT -5
If WWE had Kevin Nash come out with Tyson Kidd I'd be all for it ... cuz it would mean Tyson Kidd was off Superstars and back up on one of the main shows!
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 5, 2011 14:42:21 GMT -5
No. In the long term, the PCS was a vehicle to get ONE person over, and his name was Kevin Nash. No one else got over from that long-term, and, for that matter, I think only the one guy is still IN TNA on a permanent basis. If they had stuck with the Black Machismo gimmick he would still be over. also I think it helped Austin Aries and Alex Shelley get over. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 5, 2011 21:16:03 GMT -5
No. In the long term, the PCS was a vehicle to get ONE person over, and his name was Kevin Nash. No one else got over from that long-term, and, for that matter, I think only the one guy is still IN TNA on a permanent basis. If they had stuck with the Black Machismo gimmick he would still be over. also I think it helped Austin Aries and Alex Shelley get over. Yep, it helped Austin Aries get over so much they shit-canned him, and Alex Shelly got tossed into a team I'm pretty sure they forget they have on the roster periodically. |
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Post by afisch3 on Jul 5, 2011 22:12:00 GMT -5
Saying that the PCS only got one person over is wrong in my opinion. At the very least Jay Lethal benefited the most from that angle. He gained the Black Machismo gimmick which got more of a reaction from fans than anything he had done previous. That gimmick was a direct result of the PCS angle. Without that angle, Jay Lethal is still Jay Lethal and has to do a lot more scratching and clawing to get recognized, and I am sure that his departure from TNA would've taken place much earlier than it did. Did Jay Lethal begin main eventing PPV's? No. However, his relevance to the fans rose as a result of becoming Black Machismo, which was born from the PCS angle.
So, at least two people benefited from that angle :-)
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