Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Aug 13, 2011 16:01:52 GMT -5
"My name, my name is Alberto, Del Rrrriiooooooooo! But you, you already know that! I am going to (do something at upcoming show). It is my dessstiny. My opponent is like a (Mexican thing). I have already (past accomplishments). I have (rich guy stuff)!" *winks*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 16:03:20 GMT -5
"My name, my name is Alberto, Del Rrrriiooooooooo! But you, you already know that! I am going to (do something at upcoming show). It is my dessstiny. My opponent is like a (Mexican thing). I have already (past accomplishments). I have (rich guy stuff)!" *winks* Honestly, I'd probably hate del Rio a little less if every other word out of his mouth wasn't, "Destiny."
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Post by Yami Daimao on Aug 13, 2011 16:04:30 GMT -5
He's a good wrestler, but his whole schtick got old real quick. When the most interesting thing about you is your ring announcer, then you have a real problem. My thoughts exact. I was such a big supporter for Del Rio in the beginning. Every time his theme music hit, I marked and payed attention, Ricardo was just the added bonus. Then after Wrestlemania, it went downhill. His promos get repetitive, was put into uninteresting feuds, and temporarily lost his hype man Ricardo. Now whenever his theme hits, I listen for Ricardo (he makes the whole entrance pretty epic), and then pay half attention to the match. Not because his wrestling sucks, but because he's become uninteresting. Sad, really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 16:06:32 GMT -5
Bret Hart made a career of working the knee/leg of an opponent. Same 5 moves towards the end of the match, Sharpshooter. What's wrong with that? I like that Del Rio uses a submission finisher. I really like that he sets his finisher up with a match full of arm holds and shots. Would you rather do a bunch of other moves then hit the arm-breaker out of nowhere? I was going to bring up Bret Hart but you got there before me. I don't see the issue, to me Del Rio has had consistently good matches since his debut, he's established his signature spots, and he can work with near enough anyone. Sure he could bring more spots into it but give it time, he's not even been with the company more than a year at this point. He's got WWE style down to a tee and he impresses me on a weekly basis. If criticising the use of the same spots for years is the aim of the thread then Kofi Kingston should be the guy being mentioned, or most guys on the roster. Just my opinion and that but most of the roster would fit the same criteria.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 16:16:50 GMT -5
If he DIDN'T work the arm the whole match, we'd be complaining about that.
So yeah. I don't see the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 16:18:21 GMT -5
I think the problem is, arm offense is just boring. There's nothing particularly dynamic to it and not much variety you can have in attacking someone's arm.
Also, I do hope for his sake that they slow down on putting him in ladder matches. The guy has been in three inside of nine months.
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Post by The OP on Aug 13, 2011 16:29:32 GMT -5
The thing is, Del Rio's style might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it's a relevant style for the times. A lot of people like guys with submission based offense, partly due to the popularity of MMA and partly due to the success in pro wrestling of guys like Kurt Angle. Even John Cena had to add a submission to his arsenal, which if I'm remembering correctly, he introduced during his feud with Angle. The fact that Del Rio is a legit fighter who had a real MMA career and a winning record could be marketable in the current climate as well. Del Rio is a complete package.
Losing to Edge at Wrestlemania definitely stalled his momentum, but I think he's starting to get back on track.
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Post by coleminor on Aug 13, 2011 16:40:03 GMT -5
Del Rio is too predictable... ...but you, you already know that! For posts of the year, this is in my fave five.
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Post by Magnum Opus on Aug 13, 2011 16:47:13 GMT -5
I "blame" Edge retiring. Del Rio should have won at WM then he could have moved on past the destiny shit. Instead he got moved over to RAW and got stuck in upper-mid card hell because it's Cena's show.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Aug 13, 2011 17:06:22 GMT -5
His problem is that since he came to Raw all he has done is talk about destiny over and over. While failing to achieve his destiny, OVER AND OVER again. He needed a win at TLC, Mania or Extreme Rules. And every time, they wouldnt pass him the torch. You can only fail at that level so many times before the crowd gives up on you. I feel for him, because im a fan of his Smackdown stuff,a nd Ricardo is legendary.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 13, 2011 17:20:59 GMT -5
Well, that's actually really smart. You work the arm, and then you hit your finish, which is an arm submission. Why wouldn't you do that? He's trying to win a match. That's why I like the PWI 500s over things like, the Observer awards, because they mostly take what one would like in a particular match, where PWI mostly takes into account what happens on television and apart of kayfabe. It's smart strategy, and so far it's been successful, so stopping it would be kinda dumb. well what if he needed to get a pinfall win or to knock someone out. His opponent can pull himself up with one arm in a last man standing match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 18:43:33 GMT -5
Let's say Edge didn't retire, and instead del Rio beat him at Extreme Rules then, like Christian, lost it two days later to Orton. I know the draft only happened when it did because of Edge's retirement but still, how would that have worked out for him? I can't see someone that unproven dragging himself up from those depths like Christian did.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 13, 2011 18:47:28 GMT -5
Let's say Edge didn't retire, and instead del Rio beat him at Extreme Rules then, like Christian, lost it two days later to Orton. I know the draft only happened when it did because of Edge's retirement but still, how would that have worked out for him? I can't see someone that unproven dragging himself up from those depths like Christian did. If Edge hadn't been forced to retire then chances are they would have never moved Orton over to Smackdown in the first place. And Del Rio would have still ended up on RAW anyway. I suppose by default Miz would have gone to the other show in his place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 18:51:28 GMT -5
Let's say Edge didn't retire, and instead del Rio beat him at Extreme Rules then, like Christian, lost it two days later to Orton. I know the draft only happened when it did because of Edge's retirement but still, how would that have worked out for him? I can't see someone that unproven dragging himself up from those depths like Christian did. If Edge hadn't been forced to retire then chances are they would have never moved Orton over to Smackdown in the first place. And Del Rio would have stilled ended up on RAW anyway. I suppose by default Miz would have gone to the other show in his place. Yeah, I know. Just saying that hypothetically, if del Rio had won the title but lost it two days later, would he be able to bounce back from it or would he be even worse off than he is on Raw?
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Post by Magnum Opus on Aug 13, 2011 19:15:19 GMT -5
If Edge hadn't been forced to retire, Del Rio probably would have won at WM a month before ER.
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Post by Vince's Torn Quads on Aug 13, 2011 20:20:13 GMT -5
I'm bored with Del Rio. It's his character, because in-ring is fine as far as I can see. When he first came along, I thought he was really good, like a throwback to an old-fashioned 80s kind of sleazy heel. But he's been doing the same routine every week since he debuted. Like I said, I'm bored with him. He needs to freshen up his act, or at least give us a little more depth to his character than just being a rich guy with a sense of entitlement and lots of flash cars.
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Aug 13, 2011 20:22:22 GMT -5
I just want to see Del Rio as champion just to see if he'll decide to change things up, character-wise, once he has achieved his "destiny"
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Aug 13, 2011 20:37:59 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. I thought "working the arm" was an example of the almighty PSYCHOLOGY!!!!!!!! or something? Exactly. It almost seems like some may be groaning because Del Rio was booked to beat the internet darling D Bryan.
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Post by madness50 on Aug 14, 2011 1:10:14 GMT -5
All I know is if Mexican JBL cashes in the MITB briefcase tonight and wins the title, WWE is going to lose some viewers pretty damn quick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 1:12:27 GMT -5
All I know is if Mexican JBL cashes in the MITB briefcase tonight and wins the title, WWE is going to lose some viewers pretty damn quick. Honestly, much like TNA I can't see anything having a severe impact on WWE's ratings. They're pretty much stuck at 3.0 or so for life at the moment. And this Cena / Punk angle hasn't improved ratings at all - just stayed the same - so I doubt a different champion besides one of them would hurt it. Though I do know that the crowd just plain doesn't give a damn about del Rio.
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