Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Aug 6, 2011 16:53:16 GMT -5
They weren't over, and tbh they were quite terrible near the end. DH was the weak link of the three.
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Post by Rican on Aug 6, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
Ya know, I feel like the WWE rarely fires anyone that deserves it. If someone is put on TV with several different gimmicks and is given an opportunity to get over, plenty of matches, promos, etc, and he isn't cutting it, it makes sense to cut him loose. But this crop? I can kind of understand Melina, but the rest of it shows the WWE dropping the ball. Kozlov was working out just fine as a comedy wrestler and was a solid big guy. Him and Santino had an over tag team that was really over (probably mostly due to Santino, but Kozlov played off of him well.) There was no reason to get rid of him. Chris Masters...man, don't even get me started. He improved so much and never even got a shot. The WWE midcard is kind of crowded but Masters is exactly the kind of guy that would do well in a tag team if they would have them. He never even got a shot, and its not like it was even for lack of trying. Total nonsense. Gail Kim was one of the LAST divas they should have cut loose. Honestly, the divas "division" is the most expendable portion of the WWE roster. They could fire at least half, maybe MORE than half of those women and no one would bat an eyelash. I don't want anyone to lose their job, but for what the WWE uses these women, they could just hire models or strippers in whatever city they're in to do the same basic thing and the crowd would care about the same, not to mention it would probably save the WWE a lot of money. If you want a womens wrestling roster than hire women wrestlers, not underwear models, and don't f***ing fire ACTUAL WRESTLERS like Gail. DH Smith was part of an over tag team that they broke up for NO reason almost a year ago and have yet to do ANYTHING with them. Complete madness. If WWE wants to save money, fire most of the divas and the majority of the cookie cutter developmental roster. Get better talent scouts and bring in better women wrestlers. If WWE wants to find something for these people to do, f***ING TAG TEAMS. Trent Baretta, Yoshi Tatsu, Tyler Reks, Tyson Kid, JTG, etc, all those guys aren't doing s***. Why aren't you utilizing them if you're paying them? Why aren't you giving them a chance? Consulting them for ideas regarding their characters or things they would like to do? How do they know someone like Trent or Tyson isn't a potential break-out start given the opportunity? It's maddening. Wait, when were the Hart Dynasty ever over? The only time they ever seemed to get a reaction was when Bret was with them. Oh for Gods sake, whatever. The point is they were basically the only real tag team with a team name. They were faces for like a year and they got split up for no reason. If they had a plan to get them over as singles wrestlers it would have made sense but they just let them flounder.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Aug 6, 2011 17:00:38 GMT -5
I don't see the big deal there.
If it were a popular tag team who split and failed separately like Cryme Tyme it'd be one thing. But they split up and moved laterally. "real" tag team or not, they weren't going anywhere together anyway.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 6, 2011 17:02:42 GMT -5
I don't see the big deal there. If it were a popular tag team who split and failed separately like Cryme Tyme it'd be one thing. But they split up and moved laterally. "real" tag team or not, they weren't going anywhere together anyway. If they had any semblance of a real push, or if WWE had done anything to establish their characters beyond "they're related to the Harts". Then maybe they would've gotten over more. WWE failed them, if anything.
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Post by Rican on Aug 6, 2011 17:03:12 GMT -5
I don't see the big deal there. If it were a popular tag team who split and failed separately like Cryme Tyme it'd be one thing. But they split up and moved laterally. "real" tag team or not, they weren't going anywhere together anyway. How many actual feuds did they have? How much promo time did they get? How long were they together after winning the tag titles? And even if they HAD been given a legit shot and failed what was the plan with them individually?
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Post by Cronant on Aug 6, 2011 17:04:05 GMT -5
Okay, but the lack of a push was there long before they split up. The split was not the big problem its made out to be.
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Post by Rican on Aug 6, 2011 17:05:51 GMT -5
It was because they STARTED to get a push after Wrestlemania and THEN got split up after a few months. It was totally pointless.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 6, 2011 17:09:35 GMT -5
Because they were going nowhere wrestling the Usos 200000 times. And DH Smith isn't all that great, and probably should be a Superstars jobber. I'd be more concerned with how Kidd got treated afterwards than anything.
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Post by Rican on Aug 6, 2011 17:13:40 GMT -5
I agree Kidd is the better of the two but DH wasn't all that bad. I guess my point is that as individuals neither of them were ever going to get to world title levels, maybe not even UC/US title level. They weren't the most over tag team but at least as a team they could have been doing something.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 6, 2011 17:20:00 GMT -5
I'm saying they weren't going to be doing anything as a tag team either. They weren't over at all and had no competition that was over to play off of.
Santino/Kozlov kinda took over as the designated face team.
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Post by fanboy on Aug 6, 2011 17:44:22 GMT -5
I disagree. I think DH Smith was the better of the two but both should have been nowhere near the bottom of the totem pole.
And I read that it was Kidd's call to split the team up. I'm sure Smith will break out in Japan or MMA or wherever he goes. I doubt this is the last we see of him in WWE.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Aug 6, 2011 18:08:29 GMT -5
He wrestled a babyface comeback in chicago right down to clapping his hands. They had him kick del rios head off and be the enemy of vince. They"Banned"his name in an effort to make people cheer it. He complimented the fans on the last raw for the changes in wwe. He plays to the crowd. He's never gonna wear a white hat and hes a bit flawed and in the morally grey area but so was austin. i think its pretty much safe to say hes a face. Austin wrestled mostly heels. I see nothing of Punk to suggest he'll do the same. Oh, and Austin never ran. Austin also had knee braces. Besides. DDP ran through the crowd. Punks a rogue. Rogues work that way from robin hood to jack sparrow. They're not angels but theyre pretty much babyfaces. I'm not saying the guy has a white hat but you have to admit hes working in a manner thats far more face than heel and not trying to get booed at all. The segments theyve done since boston have been pretty much designed to get him cheered. The segment with mcmahon, punks return holding the belt and his segment with triple h at the begining of raw last week all were pretty much designed to get punk cheered. If they weren't,they make no sense. They wouldnt have a guy go out there and attack the corporate practices,speak for the people who have been fired,and make him look at times better than cena if he wasnt a face. I definately see him fighting mostly heels in the future but honestly besides cena,hes against alot of heels already. That's the way it goes. Now enough of that. this is the release thread and what is dirk macenroe doing in the impact zone mike?
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 6, 2011 18:16:16 GMT -5
Yes, Mr. Hawkins. You may come out of the bunker now.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 6, 2011 18:25:52 GMT -5
Austin wrestled mostly heels. I see nothing of Punk to suggest he'll do the same. Oh, and Austin never ran. Austin also had knee braces. Besides. DDP ran through the crowd. Punks a rogue. Rogues work that way from robin hood to jack sparrow. They're not angels but theyre pretty much babyfaces. I'm not saying the guy has a white hat but you have to admit hes working in a manner thats far more face than heel and not trying to get booed at all. The segments theyve done since boston have been pretty much designed to get him cheered. The segment with mcmahon, punks return holding the belt and his segment with triple h at the begining of raw last week all were pretty much designed to get punk cheered. If they weren't,they make no sense. They wouldnt have a guy go out there and attack the corporate practices,speak for the people who have been fired,and make him look at times better than cena if he wasnt a face. I definately see him fighting mostly heels in the future but honestly besides cena,hes against alot of heels already. That's the way it goes. His actions in Chicago don't scream face to me like they seem to for some others. Yeah, fans clapped in Chicago, but it's his hometown and he's over like rover there. That's always been a more indy-friendly crowd. In that match though, he got a cheap finisher on Cena after Cena pretty much gave up the match because he wanted a clean finish. As for going against Triple H, Triple H isn't a heel right now. Anti-establishment can make someone a face if the establishment is clearly heel. While you can say that for Vince, you really can't for HHH. Calling him a rogue would be fair, but as of right now, the best alignment you could place him is right in the middle. I don't think he's as straight-babyface as people are making him out to be right now, and I think his character is such that no one likes him. That's not to say I couldn't see them making him a straight face, but I don't see that as being a safe thing to call him right now.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 6, 2011 18:30:49 GMT -5
He didn't run, he kicked ADR's head off. If he was booked as a coward, he would have run right away.
And if that was a cheap finish (hell, it's about as clean as Cena jobs), what the hell was the month before? lol.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 6, 2011 18:35:16 GMT -5
Austin wrestled mostly heels. I see nothing of Punk to suggest he'll do the same. Oh, and Austin never ran. Austin also had knee braces. Besides. DDP ran through the crowd. Punks a rogue. Rogues work that way from robin hood to jack sparrow. They're not angels but theyre pretty much babyfaces. I'm not saying the guy has a white hat but you have to admit hes working in a manner thats far more face than heel and not trying to get booed at all. The segments theyve done since boston have been pretty much designed to get him cheered. The segment with mcmahon, punks return holding the belt and his segment with triple h at the begining of raw last week all were pretty much designed to get punk cheered. If they weren't,they make no sense. They wouldnt have a guy go out there and attack the corporate practices,speak for the people who have been fired,and make him look at times better than cena if he wasnt a face. I definately see him fighting mostly heels in the future but honestly besides cena,hes against alot of heels already. That's the way it goes. Now enough of that. this is the release thread and what is dirk macenroe doing in the impact zone mike? coming to the ring with a bullhorn is mildly amusing. Sitting in the middle of the ring and staking your claim to it is obnoxious to anyone who came to see wrestling. And Punk did not speak for the people who had been fired, except Cabana. Lesnar, Jericho, Batista, all those guys left of their own volition. Perhaps they left because the schedule was to intense and they were wearing themselves out. But a lessened schedule means fewer opportunities for fans to see them.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Aug 6, 2011 18:36:44 GMT -5
Not surprised by any of em frankly.
Im more surprised that guys like Primo and JTG weren't released.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 6, 2011 18:37:14 GMT -5
And if that was a cheap finish (hell, it's about as clean as Cena jobs), what the hell was the month before? lol. Cena stopped the screwjob because he wanted a fair and clean match, Punk took advantage of him doing the face thing and hit him as he was coming back in. I don't exactly know what to call that if it wasn't a cheap finisher.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 6, 2011 18:37:40 GMT -5
He didn't run, he kicked ADR's head off. If he was booked as a coward, he would have run right away. And if that was a cheap finish (hell, it's about as clean as Cena jobs), what the hell was the month before? lol. he kicked ADR's head off because if he'd turned and run with a fresher Del Rio behind him he might have eaten a briefcase to the back of the head.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 6, 2011 18:43:39 GMT -5
A little surprised by Koz, considering he just had a shirt out. The rest were kinda obvious.
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