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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 19:58:27 GMT -5
I'll say this about your comment: nobody betrayed you. We all voted you out because you seemed the least interested in the game out of everyone. Plus a lot of your comments you made during voting made it seem like you were doing your own thing completely. It was hard to get you to commit 100% to anything I brought to you.
I think I played the best game. Flat out. The other two played great as well, but when you look at the whole of it all, I should have had A LOT of heat on me. I was doing the wheeling and dealing, and yet, no one ever voted for me or questioned me. BB and J made smart moves, but I legitimately feel like I did the best of everyone. That's not taking away from my fellow finalists.
If BB or J had gotten voted out earlier, I would have tried to make things work with Spartan and Berg better. That would have ended up blowing up in my face since I didn't realize Spartan wanted Berg gone so badly, so I probably would have ended up on the wrong side of a 3 - 2 scenario, and I would have ultimately lost the game. Thankfully Plan A worked out.
Not at first I didn't. As we got further and further into the game I started feeling better about my chances. I was never 100% sure that Spartan, Berg, and J were telling me the truth, but I figured as long as I won a lot of challenges and did my fair share of planning, I could make it pretty far. I never stopped wondering if any of the aforementioned guys were in an alliance with Peg and SnS, but I never let the paranoia beat me.
So on Day 1? I didn't think I had a shot. Day 100? I was feeling good.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 25, 2012 20:06:26 GMT -5
I will let this stay open till this time tomorrow because I did send prods out to a few others and will give everyone a chance to respond or ask follow up questions.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 25, 2012 22:08:42 GMT -5
I have decided to read the whole game, which could take a couple hours, at that point, I will have questions.
To reiterate Gus's point, all vitriol I have would be directed at Spartan and his goons, so my big bitter speech needs some work, but I haven't forgotten.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Apr 25, 2012 22:11:33 GMT -5
I had goons? Awesome. ;D
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Post by Jazzman on Apr 25, 2012 22:19:52 GMT -5
Yeah, news to me, especially this whole tribal. Apparently I was playing this game in a virtual reality simulation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 22:53:07 GMT -5
You did, but they were Mr. Freeze's goons from Batman & Robin.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Apr 25, 2012 23:03:56 GMT -5
You did, but they were Mr. Freeze's goons from Batman & Robin. Cool. Or: I'm okay with that, they seemed pretty chill. Actually, maybe: That's awesome, they were always n ICE to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 23:18:31 GMT -5
You did, but they were Mr. Freeze's goons from Batman & Robin. Cool. Or: I'm okay with that, they seemed pretty chill. Actually, maybe: That's awesome, they were always n ICE to me. I don't know man. They always gave me the cold shoulder. Maybe it's because I gave them an icy reception when you introduced us.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 26, 2012 8:16:19 GMT -5
I tried to figure out who Spartan's goons were, but it snow use.
Like I said, post winner discussion will be interesting. Looks like how the game played, and how the game was percieved are quite a bit different.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 26, 2012 10:29:53 GMT -5
Well, here we are.
People say Gus was screwed, but the thing is, people don't know the whole story.
For a LONG time, certain people spent a lot of time convincing people that Gus was hiding an immunity idol, and made it seem as though he could not be trusted.
During the Redemption Island challenge, Spartan, Gus and myself made a decision that no matter what happened, we needed to make sure that Sawyer did not make it back into the game, because Sawyer was Pegasus's second in command.
So we worked together, little did I know that one of them was lying the whole time, and was actually working with Peg and Sawyer.
Spartan immediately copped to this fact, and revealed that I had been made a target because I was supposedly working with Gus to screw over the alliance we had made, none of which is true.
And while I am ecstatic that none of the apparent perpetrators of this little scheme are in the running, I still feel an explanation is owed.
So my first questions are for all three of you.
1. What do you know about that situation, please give detail as to what exactly was going on with Peg, Sawyer and Spartan.
2. Were you involved in my ouster and/or the scheme to screw me over? Honesty counts for a lot with me.
The other questions are for individual players.
J, can you tell me what you have done in this game to deserve to win, considering that from the looks of things, you sit there because you got extremely lucky and won a blind auction allowing you to get off Redemption Island, then hid behind others and hoped people forgot you were still in the game?
Tell me what you have done to EARN a victory.
Brainbustahhhhh!, the thing I wonder about you is, you also hid under the radar as much as possible, from the look of things, to the point that your record in immunity and reward challenges is less that spectacular, so I can't help but wonder, have you thrown any challenges deliberately in order to stay under the radar, and can you give me a reason why either you or J deserve the money instead of Notorious?
Notorious, I have a hard time imagining that you aren't the clear favorite at this point, you seem to be sitting pretty.
So it's your time now to explain to me any and everything you have done in this game that is sneaky, underhanded and generally damaging to your present reputation as the unquestioned leader of the trio sitting before us.
Convince us that you are not just pretending to be a leader.
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Apr 26, 2012 12:02:08 GMT -5
Lodi.
You want my honest opinion? J. It could be argued I didn't do enough, and it could easily be argued that as things come to light, Notorious just salted the earth too much to really be able to profit from what was an excellent political game. J fought his way back on from Redemption Island, and he's standing here in Final 3 because of that tenacity.
If Notorious had been cut, I would have stuck with my original alliance and tried to run with that as far as I could. I probably would have gotten the axe around Final Five, all things considered, so Plan A's success is definitely reassuring.
Yes. Why? Because I made it to Final Tribal's doorstep with a much shakier alliance and a voting bloc working against me. I was in a lot better position this time than i was last time, and that improved footing left me fairly confident I'd be facing the jury.
Jono. You want honesty? I can't say I'm looking forward to this, given what I recall about last season's final, but I'll be as honest as I can.
I honestly have no idea how Peg and Sawyer schemed. I wasn't involved there, and Spartan didn't give me any indication as to how that went down.
Jono, I wasn't in your tribe when you got voted out. I had no idea what was going on in Wasake, so honestly I can't say I was involved in anything.
First off, it's Brainbustaaah! Three As, one H.[/pedant]
Second, I haven't thrown any challenges whatsoever. Honestly, it's more than a little insulting that you'd say that. I haven't thrown anything. I competed and I busted my ass to get here. Did I sweep a bunch of challenges? No. But I put forth effort in every single challenge I could. As for why Notorious shouldn't win, since that's what you asked? Simple. His entire game was exactly what you've stated you despise. Backstabbing, manipulation, lying. He is the single most deceitful person in this game, bar none. I fought to be where I am. He schmoozed and gladhanded his way into everyone's trust, and then stabbed them in the back the moment they weren't useful anymore or they presented a threat, like Spartan. Notorious somehow slid through scot-free. Why? Because he had me to draw heat. He's proud of making it through without a single TC vote. The only problem is that the only reason he had no votes was that he had convinced everyone they were his friend. He used everyone he spoke to...I only needed to use him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 13:11:54 GMT -5
JONATHAN MICHAELS' QUESTIONS Here's what I know about that particular Redemption Island Challenge... I was Spartan's biggest ally, and I was hoping he was working with Gus at least since before Gus had been voted out, I had built an in-game relationship with Gus to get him on my side. So around the time the challenge was finishing up, Spartan sent me a PM and told me that he had lied to you and Gus and helped Sawyer, because he knew you and Gus were a duo. It might have been underhanded, but I understood why he did it. Only two people could win that challenge, so if he worked with you and Gus, chances are he'd have been the odd man out, and you and Gus would go back in and he'd be done in the game. So I can't really fault him for doing that, and I was the one who pushed to vote out Sawyer in the first place. It was a smart move by Spartan. I don't know what was going on with the Wasakes. All that I learned from Gus was that Pegasus was trying to convince everyone that Gus had an Idol. Honestly until I went to Gus and talked to him about bringing him in to our alliance, I thought that he and Peg were an alliance. So that shows how much I knew beforehand. And if you're talking about the Redemption Island challenge where you got eliminated, I already went pretty in-depth about what I knew about that. The thing that you're wrong about though, is the idea that Spartan was in an alliance with Pegasus and Sawyer. SnS was the one working with them. He's the one who gave Pegasus the Idol that saved him and got Spartan voted out from the game. That's why Spartan was on Redemption Island in the first place. So it's obvious he wasn't working with them. Sawyer didn't really factor into the game very much after the merge, barring that co-won that one Redemption Island challenge. So the alliances were actually Pegasus and SnS vs. everyone else. I think anyone that played the game can tell you that I was wayyyyyyyyy more involved in what was happening. As harsh as it sounds, those guys wouldn't have made it this far without me. If it wasn't for me going to J when he got his Redemption Island coin, where would he be? He'd have came back and been by himself. So I went to him and brought him into our alliance immediately and not only saved him, but grabbed myself another vote to make sure what I wanted to happen, would happen. Brainbustaaah was on my coattails the entire game. You know the times when Brainbustaaah talked game to people? Me neither. He was a valuable ally to me because I knew I always had his vote in my back pocket, but he didn't really do... anything. His biggest game moves were going together with me to buy the mystery item in the auction that ended up leading to SnS not winning Immunity and getting voted off the first time, and teaming up with me to win the movies stills challenge. At one point he even had Spartan believing he had betrayed us thanks to his wacky voting comment, and I had to soothe that over. That's the only time I ever remember BB talking game to anyone, and it was because I physically told him he had to, so he could explain himself to Spartan. I had my finger on the pulse of this game. I'm the one who pushed to vote out Sawyer. I'm the one who figured out SnS was the one who was helping Pegasus. I'm the one who solidified his spot so that NOBODY ever thought I was in charge, and never wanted to vote me out. This game threw me for a loop twice, and it was both times the Immunity Idol was used. And who got voted out the round after the Idols were used? The person that used them. Because they were messing with my game, and I couldn't risk having anything hurt my game. BRAINBUSTAAAH'S RESPONSE This is a load of complete BS. I didn't backstab anyone. The closest you could come to saying this would be when I planned the vote to get Spartan out, but even then it was only after he had lied to me on more than one ocassion. When there was a 5 to 4 vote for Sawyer, I never found out who the 4th person was that voted for Bergman, so I had to go the rest of the game wondering if the 4th person was still in the game. So there was always the thought that one person left out there was working with SnS/Peg and lying to me. Since I never knew who the 4th person was, I had to wonder about Spartan and J the whole time. It turns out it was Spartan, so my suspicions ended up working out, since I probably wouldn't have tried to get out Spartan if I knew 100% he was with me. And the only person I blindsided was Spartan (for the reasons listed above), so I don't know where he gets the idea that I was this heartless player. I might have planned/helped plan most of the eliminations, but everyone that got voted out understood why they got voted out. I warned both Gus and SnS (both times) before they got voted out. Lodi wasn't around enough to warn, and I couldn't warn Bergman because I didn't know it was coming. I might have done some scheming, but it never got to a heartless point, and I always made sure people knew why it was happening. He's trying to paint me as a Russell Hantz player who didn't care about getting jury votes, and that's absolutely the opposite. Finally.... I like that he makes it sound like he had to fight and I didn't. When was Brainbustaaah ever a target? People always assumed he was someone's second in command, and they were right. I was the guy who was talking to everyone and getting them on our side, and I was also the one winning the challenges. I got the votes on our side, and he got to sit back, do nothing, and reep the benefits of my work. He didn't have to fight... I carried him to the finals. Like I said earlier, knowing I had his vote behind me allowed me to do the planning and talking that I did, but his vote wouldn't mean much without my work. So this is basically what happened each time it was time to vote: Me: "Make sure you vote for SnS this week." BB: "Okay."
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 26, 2012 13:23:17 GMT -5
I think that after the winner is announced, I'm going to need to tell my side of the whole PW/SNS/Veronica/Spartan/Michaels/Richlen story....
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Apr 26, 2012 13:32:00 GMT -5
*eats popcorn*
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Post by TOO SWEET on Apr 26, 2012 18:09:19 GMT -5
Thought of another question.
If you were part of the jury (and instead of a final three, your two opponents were the final two) which one would you vote for and why?
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Apr 26, 2012 18:42:22 GMT -5
Final 3.
Choose a number between 1-10. It can be any number, in any language, written in any form you want and it doesn't need to be between one and ten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 18:49:31 GMT -5
I'd have to vote for Brainbustaaah. As I've pointed out a couple of times, we were a team from the beginning, all the way to the end.
Cannonball Run.
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Apr 26, 2012 18:50:57 GMT -5
Notorious.
Because even though I said J played a better game, I feel like Notorious played a much more tightly managed game. He knew exactly what he was going to do, and damn if he didn't do it.
Watermelon.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 26, 2012 20:53:49 GMT -5
As entertaining as this tribal jury has been I am ready to take votes. Remember you are now voting for who will win Survivor Fan Redemption.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 21:11:56 GMT -5
Aww man. I didn't get to do a big closing speech.
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