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Post by Red Impact on Feb 25, 2012 22:39:25 GMT -5
There's a pretty damn fine list of wrestlers who were athletes before becoming wrestlers, as opposed to being only wrestlers in their lives, so I find it pretty ridiculous to criticize JR for continuing to scout an area that's given the business a lot of it's biggest names.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Feb 25, 2012 22:44:26 GMT -5
Probably the worst example you could give since he's flaked out every time someone's given him a chance. After WWE flaked on him. It's such an easy criticism to make against WWE that they only hire and promote juiceheads and bodybuilders, but it's just demonstrably false. Is it important for wrestlers to have a good look and charisma in order to connect with the fanbase and get over? Absolutely. Is a strong, athletic, look one that has a tendency to get over in wrestling. Definitely. Is it the only look that gets over? Absolutely not. The list has already been given numerous times, but some of the biggest stars in WWE history were anything but freakishly huge ex-athletes. Throughout its history, the WWE has always given wrestlers from all kinds of backgrounds and with all kinds of looks the opportunity to get over and make their way in the business. That's what I'm saying, pretty much. A wrestling company wants big athletic guys. I don't see this is as surprising, or as a problem. Why shouldn't wrestlers be bigger and stronger than normal people? Why shouldn't they have a legit sports background? I've never understood that backlash. Some people want to see only 165-guys who didn't play sports in the WWE, and they mock anybody that's big, but I'm pretty sure that's the strong minority. The WWE has done pretty OK for 5 decades or so. Where's the global wrestling promotion that relies only on under-200 pound wrestlers who do high spots and/or are talented in-ring wrestlers? The WWE doesn't have to be someone's preference, and that's fine, but criticizing them for not pushing smaller guys with no athletic background the same or better as bigger guys who excelled at sports is a little silly. It might not be your preference, but it's clearly not a crazy way to do things. It's this I have a problem with. The Daniel Bryans and Evans Bournes would've never been hired, regardless of talent or connections with the company if it were REALLY like this. But this is the perception that WWE has put out ever since Jim Ross was Head of Talent Relations himself, true or not.
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Post by Richard on Feb 25, 2012 23:29:33 GMT -5
Probably the worst example you could give since he's flaked out every time someone's given him a chance. After WWE flaked on him. No, sorry but that is just wrong. He flaked on EVERYONE. WCW, ECW and WWF. Hell, WWE gave him 2 or 3 chances and he flaked on everyone of them. He never wanted to be anything but an indy wonder. There is a reason he's a footnote in the business today and it's far from wrestling's fault.
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 25, 2012 23:56:53 GMT -5
I fail to see the outrage by some about having former football players. As long as they train well it seems to me that there's many transferable qualities between the two industries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 0:10:00 GMT -5
It's hilarious that anyone would give JR crap for that, when you consider that some of the biggest stars/names in history came from legit sports backgrounds, i.e. Macho, Goldberg, Rock, Steiners, Angle, Lesnar, Ron Simmons, JBL, and that's just off of the top of my head. Because some fans honestly think they know more about the business than guys like JR do. Seriously, they do. seriously, like... Well, forgive me for not worshiping at the Temple of Boomer Sooner, but this isn't totally without merit. Jim Ross is one of many people in the wrestling business who will look the other way regarding talent for multiple reasons if they have "The look" and "the size". They are the ones that make wrestling as cosmetically focused as it is. WWE has always been more eager to higher a 6'5" 250 lb college linebacker before a guy that may not be the tallest or the biggest, but has been wrestling all over the world for 10 years, and that has really been the status quo until maybe a year ago. Jim Ross himself is someone that always looks at college atheletes (football, wrestling, etc) before looking towards independent wrestlers. It's because they have "the look and the size" that WWE likes to tell us is how a wrestler is supposed to look and guys who have never wrestled before are easier to teach on how to do things "The WWE Way" as opposed to a guy who has to unlearn what he's learned from previous wrestling experience. I completely agree with JR. Guys like Rock, Austin, Faarooq, Bradshaw, Dr. Death etc. are lacking in wrestling today, big strong guys with explosive quickness and a natural confidence and swagger. Speaking of, there is Jack Swagger, but he's been underwhelming, he just doesn't have the presence of those guys.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 26, 2012 4:18:27 GMT -5
Considering how many legendary wrestlers had a background in football and other athletics, I fail to see why people are outraged. You couldn't even train as a wrestler 4 decades ago if you didn't have a sports background.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 26, 2012 4:34:43 GMT -5
Considering how many legendary wrestlers had a background in football and other athletics, I fail to see why people are outraged. You couldn't even train as a wrestler 4 decades ago if you didn't have a sports background. But you don't learn "teh workratez" playing pro sports. I mean, you may learn work ethic, conditioning, how to play through the pain, how not to sacrifice speed for power, and a number of other things needed to make you a great wrestler, but no "workratez".
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Feb 26, 2012 8:46:37 GMT -5
Plus JR pushed for years to get that clumsy bodybuilder Mick Foley signed. He also hired dome chick named Lita.
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Post by unc40 on Feb 26, 2012 13:28:47 GMT -5
Mike Adamle was an All-American fullback at Northwestern so maybe WWE management should give him a push.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 26, 2012 13:34:43 GMT -5
Considering how many legendary wrestlers had a background in football and other athletics, I fail to see why people are outraged. You couldn't even train as a wrestler 4 decades ago if you didn't have a sports background. But you don't learn "teh workratez" playing pro sports. I mean, you may learn work ethic, conditioning, how to play through the pain, how not to sacrifice speed for power, and a number of other things needed to make you a great wrestler, but no "workratez". Enough of this "workrate" crap. In my 5+ years here I've never seen anyone use the word except for in a mocking fashion like you just did.
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Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 14:27:29 GMT -5
Mike Adamle was an All-American fullback at Northwestern so maybe WWE management should give him a push. Come on. This is another flavor of that "Hornswaggle is over too, I guess he should be pushed?" argument that is quite popular around here lately. No, not everyone who ever played football should be pushed. Nobody is arguing that except your strawman. JR didn't say that. He's looking at scouting new talent. That's it. He didn't say that anyone who comes out of a legit sport should be immediately pushed and that nobody else ever should
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Post by molson5 on Feb 26, 2012 14:34:07 GMT -5
It's this I have a problem with. The Daniel Bryans and Evans Bournes would've never been hired, regardless of talent or connections with the company if it were REALLY like this. But this is the perception that WWE has put out ever since Jim Ross was Head of Talent Relations himself, true or not. JR didn't say that college football was the only place to ever scout for talent. He specifically said that's ONE place. (he even put one in caps). The timing makes perfect sense to look at college football players at the moment, because the combines are going on, the NFL draft is coming up, and very soon, there's going to be hundreds and hundreds of athletic young men who suddenly find out that their football career isn't going anywhere. They probably don't have a lot of career plans at this point. It's the natural time to pursue that group. People who criticize JR for that tweet are the people who think there should be NO bigger guys in wrestling, no guys who have played college football, that everybody should be 185 pounds with no competitive athletic background. I think that's a common idea here too - there are plenty of posters who clearly despise bigger wrestlers, and criticize the company for not pushing small guys ahead of big guys. But there's no fixed rules. In general, pushing bigger guys ahead of smaller guys is a reasonable thing to do, but it's never been a 100% fixed rule, smaller guys get pushed all the time. You can run off your examples of smaller guys who weren't pushed, but I can run off a list large wrestlers, or just as many football players who never amounted to anything in wrestling. The bigger, more athletic guys will often get more chances, but that makes perfect sense in a sports entertainment/pro wrestling environment. On average, not as a fixed rule, but on average, pro wrestlers should be bigger and more athletic than normal people.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 26, 2012 14:46:38 GMT -5
I find this community refreshing because everyone makes fun of "workrate" instead of using it in a serious context.
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Post by unc40 on Feb 26, 2012 15:51:52 GMT -5
Mike Adamle was an All-American fullback at Northwestern so maybe WWE management should give him a push. Come on. This is another flavor of that "Hornswaggle is over too, I guess he should be pushed?" argument that is quite popular around here lately. No, not everyone who ever played football should be pushed. Nobody is arguing that except your strawman. JR didn't say that. He's looking at scouting new talent. That's it. He didn't say that anyone who comes out of a legit sport should be immediately pushed and that nobody else ever should I was just trying to be funny but I guess I failed. ;D
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Post by BigWill on Feb 26, 2012 16:00:40 GMT -5
But you don't learn "teh workratez" playing pro sports. I mean, you may learn work ethic, conditioning, how to play through the pain, how not to sacrifice speed for power, and a number of other things needed to make you a great wrestler, but no "workratez". Enough of this "workrate" crap. In my 5+ years here I've never seen anyone use the word except for in a mocking fashion like you just did. Yeah, it's kind of annoying to see people only use the word like it's some kind of curse.
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Post by moneyman20 on Feb 26, 2012 16:01:15 GMT -5
Enough of this "workrate" crap. In my 5+ years here I've never seen anyone use the word except for in a mocking fashion like you just did. Yeah, it's kind of annoying to see people only use the word like it's some kind of curse. 3rded.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 26, 2012 16:05:14 GMT -5
It's not a curse but it get tossed around way too much by people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 16:12:16 GMT -5
Yeah, it's kind of annoying to see people only use the word like it's some kind of curse. 3rded. If you say workrate 3 times into a mirror at night Davey Richards will appear behind you and start kicking you in the back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 16:40:05 GMT -5
If you say workrate 3 times into a mirror at night Davey Richard will appear behind you and start kicking you in the back. Since it's Davey you'll probably just no sell it and start kicking him back. Strong style spirit!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 16:44:25 GMT -5
If you say workrate 3 times into a mirror at night Davey Richard will appear behind you and start kicking you in the back. Since it's Davey you'll probably just no sell it and start kicking him back. Strong style spirit!!!!!! The only way it can end is with a Burning Hammer into the sink, with head contact first. ONE- TWO- HE GOT HIM- Oh wait...no he didn't.
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