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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 27, 2012 0:39:06 GMT -5
Because people are replying to say how much they agree with other people's previously stated unpopular opinions. This isn't fascinating to you? People are literally posting things in this thread that there have been entire threads about, puffing themselves up about how unique they are for thinking such things. Oh my god how it bugs me, but also it's just an amazingly interesting phenomenon. I tend to agree with you, but you're being rude about it. I know this is the internet, but we try not to do that here. Fair enough, and I was clumsy about the irony, which honestly was supposed to be what made it interesting enough to mention in the first place. Irony on top of ironies, my main problem is that this sense that I am alone in my opinions against the hivemind! is the fact that it leads to people not listening to each other, not understanding each other, and, well, coming into threads they don't like and being jerks. Also, I'm a big fan of scripted promos, and if the WWE had on-site acting coaches and kept the scripting, the product would be 1000 times better than if they just let people do promos the traditional way.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Feb 27, 2012 0:42:44 GMT -5
I liked Wrestlemania 25. Sure the main event sucked and the Kid Rock/divas battle royal was awful, but the rest of the show was quite good. I don't know how unpopular that is, but I certainly see people bash it a lot.
I liked ICP everytime they showed up somewhere too. I became a fan of them when I saw them at Summerslam 98, and always enjoyed their work. They weren't great wrestlers but I've certainly seen worse. And by "celebrity" standards, they are wrestling gods. Seriously, how many rappers would really go out there and do moonsaults and planchas, and actually take weapons shots and table bumps. Shaggy even took a freaking powerbomb on top of a bus, then slid right off the edge and landed on his head on concrete. He didn't even stop selling to save himself. I don't care what anybody says, ICP is awesome for doing what they've done when they clearly didn't have to.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 27, 2012 2:14:20 GMT -5
Also, I'm a big fan of scripted promos, and if the WWE had on-site acting coaches and kept the scripting, the product would be 1000 times better than if they just let people do promos the traditional way. The problem with that is the writers WWE have don't seem to be very good. If they get better writers then I'd agree with you.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 27, 2012 2:29:52 GMT -5
RAW is a much better show now than it was 10 years ago, or even during some of the Attitude era. Even though I like AJ and think she's hot, I'm not impressed by her ring work at all. From what I've seen, she's not much if at all better than the Bellas or even Kelly Kelly (well, she can run the ropes ). I think she's better off in a valet role like Miss Elizabeth used to be. It's amazing to me how over-rated she seems to be amongst some of the IWC.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 27, 2012 2:45:01 GMT -5
RAW is a much better show now than it was 10 years ago, or even during some of the Attitude era. Even though I like AJ and think she's hot, I'm not impressed by her ring work at all. From what I've seen, she's not much if at all better than the Bellas or even Kelly Kelly (well, she can run the ropes ). I think she's better off in a valet role like Miss Elizabeth used to be. It's amazing to me how over-rated she seems to be amongst some of the IWC. Watch anything outside of what she's done with Maxine since she's awful and makes matches look bad as wholes. That's another thing, Maxine sucks. She's an awful wrestler with literally no moves. She does rest holds, that's it. People are enamored with her because of her half-way decent mic skills and because they think she's hot. I haven't seen her do anything good yet and she's not getting any better. If she gets the boot, I won't care.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 27, 2012 3:12:48 GMT -5
-1999 was an awful year
-Taker was really rough in the 90s unless wrestling a superior opponent, and his best output was easily after his Wrestlemania 20 return
-Randy Orton is an excellent wrestler with elite understanding of psychology and selling
-Matt Hardy was one of the best wrestlers on the roster from 2005-2007
-Kane is entertaining when it comes to segments and promos, but the man has never really been involved in many interesting matches, and Albert/A-Train/Prince Albert/Giant Bernard is worlds better than he ever was
-Big Show is at HHH in 2003 levels of annoyingness right now, without the backstage politicking
-Heath Slater is really talented and would be great in a rebuilt tag division or even as a weasel heel in the mid card
-Cena's perfectly fine except for one thing, and that's the fact that he is an awful, awful seller and Shawn was right to be pissed at him for no selling his leg work at Wrestlemania
-Stone Cold's best work was from after King of the Ring '96 until Owen broke his neck at Summerslam '97
-Yokozuna was a really bad wrestler, and should never have been in multiple main events or featured so prominently
-Andre/Hogan at Wrestlemania III, even with an understanding of its importance and a great crowd, is a really lousy match where it looks like Andre is about to collapse at least five different times
-I flip-flop on The Rock way more than any man ever should
-Drew McIntyre is one of the most charismatic guys on the entire roster and if Vince wasn't an idiot and given him the incredibly erroneous "Chosen One" gimmick at the start, he'd be having the Sheamus push right now (and he's a lot better than Sheamus in all facets)
-RVD is far more stale than John Cena could ever even dream of being
-Zack Ryder really needs to evolve and embrace more of his ECW character
-Mark Henry's heel run (before Show ruined it, back to my point up there) was the best monster heel run since Vader in WCW
-Santino has a ton of in ring talent and if they let him actually use it, he could be a legitimate main eventer
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 27, 2012 3:54:38 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon isn't the anti-christ like many in the IWC make her out to be Trish Stratus is the most overrated female wrestler of all time, her in ring skills were never that good & had to rely on someone more capable than her to carry her ass to a watchable match If you post that on diva dirt I swear those people will eat you alive.
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Post by triplezs on Feb 27, 2012 4:43:05 GMT -5
Several, mostly historical opinions:
- Though it wasn't the best idea, the "Fingerpoke of Doom" gets way too much of the blame for WCW's downfall.
- The best use of Bret Hart in WCW would have been for him to come in and overthrow Hogan for the nWo leadership. It would have kept the angle a little more fresh and Hogan going after the thing he helped create would have been interesting. Plus, Hart was great as a heel and Hogan is better as a face.
- No matter how emotional Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels acted on their recent documentary, part of me will always think Montreal was a work.
- The Ric Flair/Randy Savage match is the most underrated Wrestlemania match ever. Great build-up, good chemistry between the two and really good match that’s overshadowed by Bret/Piper and the stink-bomb Hogan and Sid Justice dropped.
- The best Shawn Michaels-Undertaker match was the Hell in the Cell match at Bad Blood in 1997. Don’t think the Wrestlemania matches are overrated; just the Bad Blood one was very underrated.
- Sting’s “Crow” gimmick is the greatest gimmick in wrestling history and it really told a story very well. Until the screw-up at Starrcade, the gimmick’s run was flawless.
- I’ll agree with another poster and say the Bret/Austin feud from late ’96 to middle ’97 is the best WWF/E rivalry ever. Was captivated by every moment; felt none of it was forced down our throats like most of the great rivalries the past 10 years.
- The Austin/Vince rivalry should have died around Wrestlemania 15. WCW (rightfully) gets torched for dragging the nWo angle too long, but this one went a year or two too far. After the Rock/Austin match at WM, turn Rock face and have Vince turn on him for losing to Austin. Or, you keep Vince neutral and "face" like he was during the Greater Power angle before the reveal.
- Chris Benoit or Eddy Guerrero never did a thing for me.
- 1992 is the single greatest year in wrestling history.
- I'm neutral on John Cena. Don’t love him, but don’t hate him. He's perfectly fine.
- Wrestlemania VII was truly the first solid ‘Mania. The first six had good moments and great matches, but were not complete products. Thought most of VII was pretty good, particularly Savage/Warrior, the tag matches were good and the build-ups for most of the matches were great.
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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 27, 2012 8:19:04 GMT -5
Here are a lot more from me:
- I missed the Diva Search on purpose and I'm glad I did.
- I am glad that Sting never worked for the WWE and I hope he never does.
- Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio are two of the greatest wrestlers of all time in my opinion.
- I still think that NXT 3 was bad television and the only reason why they did that because they were women. The WWE has shown that they don't care about women or women's wrestling in general. In other words, NXT 3 was an embarassing joke and it turned me off from NXT altogether.
- People say that Wade Barrett is a decent wrestler. I don't see it. On the other hand, he has improved and shown that he can be carried by a more experienced opponent.
- Alberto del Rio is the most improved wrestler in the current WWE roster in my opinion.
- Harvey Whippleman was the worst manager in the history of managers. He just irked me.
-The Miz is a good brawler and is quite competent in the ring. The guy is hardworking and is a natural heel.
- I thought Kane was boring and I wished that he worked with Dolph Ziggler more often. That is when I finally began to appreciate him.
- Eve is one of the best female wrestlers I have ever seen working in the WWE outside of Molly Holly, Jazz, Victoria, Mickie James, Natalya, Karma, Beth Phoenix, and Michelle McCool.
- Yokozuna was a talented big man who was utilized well, but when they showed that he broke the ropes, I thought it was tacky that they showed that. I actually felt bad for him.
- The Stinkface is an embarassment to pro wrestling.
- I agree on Heath Slater. He was the most talented of the NXT guys and I don't think he is annoying and has a punchable face. He is a guy with lots of potential.
- I can see why people love Santino, but I used to couldn't see that with Zack Ryder.
- John Cena, Sheamus, and Santino are all good wrestlers and are never boring in my opinion.
- Jinder Mahal is boring, but he has a lot of potential ironically. He has the potential to be exciting and get over with the fans.
- I never understood the appeal of the Hulk Hogan v Andre the Giant (RIP) match. It wasn't the best match ever.
- Ric Flair is one of the greatest of all time, but Terry Funk is the better wrestler as well as others who are candidates for the greatest of all time.
- AJ Lee is quite an underrated wrestler so that whole thing with Daniel Bryan kind of irks me a little bit. I wish they showcase her skills more often and it bothers me that they won't allow the Divas more than 3 minutes per Raw and 5 minutes per Smackdown.
- Undertaker vs HHH at last year's Wrestlemania was oldschool and made me appreciate HHH more as a wrestler. It was great storytelling and that is what mattered.
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Post by azrael502 on Feb 27, 2012 8:37:25 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon isn't the anti-christ like many in the IWC make her out to be Trish Stratus is the most overrated female wrestler of all time, her in ring skills were never that good & had to rely on someone more capable than her to carry her ass to a watchable match If you post that on diva dirt I swear those people will eat you alive. true they would but shes right
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 9:01:29 GMT -5
WrestleMania 26 was not a good show. It was better than 25, but just barely and most of the matches - especially Cena / Batista (since I really liked their SummerSlam match quite a bit) and Orton / Rhodes / DiBiase - were disappointing. The main event also, besides the Michaels retirement thing, had absolutely nothing going for it compared to the previous year's match or many of the alternatives either man could have done.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 27, 2012 10:04:26 GMT -5
my turn....
-HHH is a very good wrestler and would still have been near the position he's in regardless of his relationship with Stephanie.
-I still prefer goofy Y2J to SRS Jericho.
-Hurricane and Rosey were never used to their full potential as a tag team both in and out of the ring. So many merchandise opportunities and possibilities that could be easily borrowed from the 60s "Batman" show.
-I thought the Katie Vick Storyline could have been salvaged and still used to get Kane over as a redeemed monster.
-to that, while it looked weird, I was caught up in the moment the night Kane unmasked.
-I don't get all the love for Zack Ryder. His gimmick didn't get over the first time, but I give him props for busting ass and sticking to it to get people to like it.
-not WWE, but after all their issues I don't think either Hardy should be anywhere near a wrestling ring ever again.
-Lawler is a good commentator when motivated with a positive partner.
-Matt Striker deserves to work at the announce table, he just needs to study his WWE history some more.
-I have never been a fan of Miz or Randy Orton. Both have steadily improved but I wouldn't rush out to see either of them.
-I agree with the opinions about Santino and Slater. Santino can wrestle very well, he just hasn't had to. Slater is fun to watch get killed in the ring, but yeah, I want to see him start working his way up.
-Drew McIntyre deserves better
-Teddy Long is still a good character as a face GM. He's the perfect balance to all the evil GMs that Raw has had over the years, and I will be sad to see him go.
-I hate how WWE wants us to hate the divas division, from the Diva Search to NXT Season 3 to Natalya's gassy gimmick.
-The FCW name generator amuses me, I want to download a version of it.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Feb 27, 2012 10:09:41 GMT -5
so much popular unpopular opinions on this thread!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 27, 2012 10:19:02 GMT -5
-Hurricane and Rosey were never used to their full potential as a tag team both in and out of the ring. So many merchandise opportunities and possibilities that could be easily borrowed from the 60s "Batman" show. Agreed. I really loved them as a team. Here's a few from me: A healthy Lita was a better wrestler than Trish. Her neck/knee injuries made her change her style, but before that, it wasnt even close. HHH gets grief for just about everything he does/allegedly did but Austin pretty much gets a free pass for doing similar things. I think that's bullshit. Test could have been something bigger had they not completely buried him after the wedding angle
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 10:20:58 GMT -5
-Hurricane and Rosey were never used to their full potential as a tag team both in and out of the ring. So many merchandise opportunities and possibilities that could be easily borrowed from the 60s "Batman" show. Agreed. I really loved them as a team. Here's a few from me: A healthy Lita was a better wrestler than Trish. Her neck/knee injuries made her change her style, but before that, it wasnt even close. HHH gets grief for just about everything he does/allegedly did but Austin pretty much gets a free pass for doing similar things. I think that's bulls***. Test could have been something bigger had they not completely buried him after the wedding angle Well, part of that is probably in that Austin years after retirement is still a far, far bigger star than Triple H ever was. And yeah, I agree on Test - complete missed opportunity. Here's one - at his peak, Umaga was more entertaining than Samoa Joe at his.
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Post by kriskomet on Feb 27, 2012 10:26:47 GMT -5
-I think The Rock should win at this years Mania.
-I think a Female world Champion (if booked right) would be awesome
- I love Booker T on commentary
-I think CM Punk's current character complains way too much and would have worked better as a heel.
-Zack Ryder Could and SHOULD be a future World Champion
-I like the Attitude Era Intercontinental Title design better then the classic one.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Feb 27, 2012 10:38:49 GMT -5
Is this just about WWE? Because if it isn't I could spend hours ranting about how terrible and overrated Indy wrestling is.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 27, 2012 10:48:33 GMT -5
-Kane was better without the mask. Seriously, his facial expressions and laughter sold it for me. He was a living, breathing Frankenstein's Monster of a wrestler.
-Chief Morley sucked. He was better off as Val.
-Goldust may be the single best character in WWE history, and I sort of wish we'd have had a Goldust/Unmasked Kane tag team at one point.
-As much as I like him, Dolph Ziggler is missing something. I don't know what it is. He's Billy Gunn, if Billy Gunn could properly work a singles match.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 27, 2012 11:34:42 GMT -5
-a lot of these opinions aren't unpopular. -I don't miss the cruiserweight division. if you're not going to use it properly, don't even bother half-assing it. by the same logic, I also feel they should ditch the tag team division entirely, ditto the divas division. -Triple H is an amazing talent who earned his position long before he started dating Steph. that said, he deserves all the crap he gets from fans. RVD was the only person he was ever right about. he's not either a great talent OR a douche who abuses office politics, he's both. -Shawn Michaels was pretty worthless before his comeback. it's like night and day for me. -dunno how unpopular this is, but there are way too many midcarders pushed to the world title before they're ready, and as a result WWE has a midcard full of former world champions who had forgettable reigns. the belt should be given to a guy whose already over, not a guy you're trying to get over. not everyone should be a world champion.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 27, 2012 11:58:58 GMT -5
Agreed. I really loved them as a team. Here's a few from me: A healthy Lita was a better wrestler than Trish. Her neck/knee injuries made her change her style, but before that, it wasnt even close. HHH gets grief for just about everything he does/allegedly did but Austin pretty much gets a free pass for doing similar things. I think that's bulls***. Test could have been something bigger had they not completely buried him after the wedding angle Well, part of that is probably in that Austin years after retirement is still a far, far bigger star than Triple H ever was. And yeah, I agree on Test - complete missed opportunity. Here's one - at his peak, Umaga was more entertaining than Samoa Joe at his. Your point about Austin being a star actually furthers my point though. Hell, Austin refused to put HHH himself over, which is VERY ironic. Umaga is a sad case. He had the tools to be a player. His match against Cena at the Rumble is one of my top 5 favorites ever
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