Does Triple H have amy fans in the IWC?

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I've never been a fan of Triple H, but you can't deny his in-ring skill, promo ability, or mind for the business.

[SeVeN: #TheBadGuy.]

I shed tears when he returned from his quad injury, so yes I would tear up upon his retirement. Regardless of all the haters HHH went froma snobby jobber, to king of the mountain. The man is the epitomy of hardwork and paying your dues. No stephanie comments please.

[Indiana Miz]

I'm a fan of Triple H, but he can get a little annoying, and I don't like his face promos.

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I'm no Triple H fan, but Amy? BIG fan of Amy.

such a fox...

[Nikki Heyman]

Mar 18, 2012 15:13:03 GMT -5 Phosphor Glow said:

Mar 18, 2012 14:31:11 GMT -5 Richard said:

I would. He's easily one of greatest of all time and takes a bunch of s*** for no reason other than he fell in love.

This statement, it is the truth.

[gonzo16]

His involvement with Stephanie may have helped him a bit, but I think people conveniently like to ignore that the guy was already on his way to the top of the card before that happened. He would have been a multiple time champion with Stephanie or not.

I think he catches too much flack for getting involved with her. Things happen and people develop feelings for each other. It happens non-stop in wrestling. He's one of my favorites, as a heel.

[Greer]

While I don't dislike him by any means, it's a bit of a stretch to act like the guy has never used any political power to get his way.

Just way too many coincidences, and former WWE writers have said it themselves that HHH did have a lot of influence on some guys not getting over.

Pre-2002 he was a great heel and great in the ring. Even now he still has the psychology down to make up for his age slowing him down.

But let's not act like all of a sudden after all these years, he's just a good ol' boy who never did anything wrong.

[showster22]

I've always been a fan of anybody in the kilq (well not so much x-pac he's on the fence of fanhood) and I am a fan of Hunter

[Richard]

Mar 18, 2012 21:57:32 GMT -5 Greer said:

While I don't dislike him by any means, it's a bit of a stretch to act like the guy has never used any political power to get his way.

Just way too many coincidences, and former WWE writers have said it themselves that HHH did have a lot of influence on some guys not getting over.

Pre-2002 he was a great heel and great in the ring. Even now he still has the psychology down to make up for his age slowing him down.

But let's not act like all of a sudden after all these years, he's just a good ol' boy who never did anything wrong.

Never said he didn't/doesn't politic but there is not one person who has been on top that is not guilty of that. The problem I have is people acting like he is the only person to do it. Hell, there are only one or two times I'd say that Triple H was "wrong" in his supposed politicking/burials, Jericho and maybe Booker.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

I'd also like to state that I think it's wrong to assume that people who don't like Triple H don't like him because he's married to Steph. a lot of people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with that (myself included).

[corndog]

First of all, in response to the OP, you are nuts if you don't think the guy has fans in the IWC. Atleast here, there is clearly quite a few HHH fans, I would say the board is actually split 50/50. Obviously I am not one of them. However, I don't think the guy is absolutely horrible, he is actually pretty good. He's great as a heel. I don't care for him as a face.

For the neverending politics argument, anyone who thinks he would have reached this much success without Stephanie is pretty foolish. I definitely believe he would have had world title runs without her, heck he did in 2000. Once he stepped out of Shawn's shadow to me it was obvious he would eventually be a top guy, but I never though THE top guy. I always thought he was one of the best heels in the company and had absolutely no problem with his rise as a top heel in 99/00. I felt he was a great heel to throw in the mix with Austin and the Rock. I even was kind of disappointed he never fought Austin for the title right after he won the belt from Shawn on a ppv in '98(he did on house shows). The Rock/Austin was played out at that point and I thought HHH would have been a great fued for him. Then again shortly after WM14 he turned face.

But HHH booked as the top face around '02 never ever made sense to me. There were more popular faces in the company, actually quite a few of them. Also I really felt it was time for Jericho, RVD, and Angle to shine. HHH was not as over as RVD or Jericho as faces and IMO he did not deserve to be pushed as the top face. But I did like HHH in Evolution and once again as a heel. I know it was a knock off of the Horsemen, but I still enjoyed it even though there was the reign of terror. I didn't like that he went over alot of my favorite wrestlers, but HHH being booked that strong as a heel did make sense. It made people want to see him lose and it made sense for his character. He was a trash talking heel that could back it up, he also cheated quite a bit to win and was really just an awful person. It reminded me alot of how Flair and Race were booked in the NWA and as a heel I could put HHH pretty close to their level. Verbally burying people also made a decent amount of sense, compared to being a face and just making everyone look bad. When a heel says "You don't deserve to be here and aren't on my level" people take it as he's being a jerk. When a face like HHH or Cena say it, it's taken as truth. So that's how I feel about the whole thing. I also won't be completely filled with hate if HHH beats Undertaker and turns heel. Once again it makes sense, he will end the career of one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE history and everyone will hate him for it. He can play up that he runs the company and people will hate him more. If he does it as a face than it's just another notch in his belt and a way to feed his ego, without furthering any storylines or helping the company at all.

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I'm a fan. He's had a ton of classic matches with an assortment of opponents. There aren't a lot of people that can say they had great matches with TAKA Michinoku, Maven, Shelton Benjamin, and at-the-time-rookie Legacy. I don't think he was ever THE guy but I don't think his character really should be, tbh. He had the Reign of Terror and all that but he's never been on the level of an Austin, a Rock, a HBK, a Cena imo but he's an important reason why those guys became who they became. He's one of the greatest support wrestlers of all time, imo.

[juvijuiceisloose]

Mar 18, 2012 21:42:43 GMT -5 gonzo16 said:

His involvement with Stephanie may have helped him a bit, but I think people conveniently like to ignore that the guy was already on his way to the top of the card before that happened. He would have been a multiple time champion with Stephanie or not.

Yes, he would've. He also had friends in very high places long before he met Stephanie.

According to Bret's book, the guy was also on the booking team as early as '97 and wasn't afraid to use his stroke. Or should I say, the stroke his best buddy had.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Mar 18, 2012 23:02:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

I'm a fan. He's had a ton of classic matches with an assortment of opponents. There aren't a lot of people that can say they had great matches with TAKA Michinoku, Maven, Shelton Benjamin, and at-the-time-rookie Legacy. I don't think he was ever THE guy but I don't think his character really should be, tbh. He had the Reign of Terror and all that but he's never been on the level of an Austin, a Rock, a HBK, a Cena imo but he's an important reason why those guys became who they became. He's one of the greatest support wrestlers of all time, imo.

there are a lot of people who can say they had a good match with TAKA. just, most of them don't much speak english

[The Tee Why]

I like Triple H, but there was periods of his career that were downright groan worthy.

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Mar 18, 2012 23:11:04 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

Mar 18, 2012 23:02:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

I'm a fan. He's had a ton of classic matches with an assortment of opponents. There aren't a lot of people that can say they had great matches with TAKA Michinoku, Maven, Shelton Benjamin, and at-the-time-rookie Legacy. I don't think he was ever THE guy but I don't think his character really should be, tbh. He had the Reign of Terror and all that but he's never been on the level of an Austin, a Rock, a HBK, a Cena imo but he's an important reason why those guys became who they became. He's one of the greatest support wrestlers of all time, imo.

there are a lot of people who can say they had a good match with TAKA. just, most of them don't much speak english

I meant all together.

And Super Crazy's English is probably alright ;D

[Greer]

Mar 18, 2012 22:11:06 GMT -5 Richard said:

Mar 18, 2012 21:57:32 GMT -5 Greer said:

While I don't dislike him by any means, it's a bit of a stretch to act like the guy has never used any political power to get his way.

Just way too many coincidences, and former WWE writers have said it themselves that HHH did have a lot of influence on some guys not getting over.

Pre-2002 he was a great heel and great in the ring. Even now he still has the psychology down to make up for his age slowing him down.

But let's not act like all of a sudden after all these years, he's just a good ol' boy who never did anything wrong.

Never said he didn't/doesn't politic but there is not one person who has been on top that is not guilty of that. The problem I have is people acting like he is the only person to do it. Hell, there are only one or two times I'd say that Triple H was "wrong" in his supposed politicking/burials, Jericho and maybe Booker.

While I'm sure every top guy or almost every top guy has used some type of power play...I just can't imagine it being to that level.

Yes guys flex their political muscle, but it just seems as though HHH is the "King of Kings" of the political game for the past 10 years.

Jericho, RVD, Booker, Goldberg just to name a few.

It's not entirely one sided though as he did throw a bone out there for the likes of Benoit.

But when you look at the past 10 years, who did he really put over when given the opportunity?

Hogan was going to win that belt no matter what HHH said, Cena was the top guy, and Batista was his buddy.

Once again, I know guys use politics, but I just feel HHH has used it to a greater extent than anyone else in the past 10 years.

[Heartbreaker]

I have very mixed opinions when it comes to Triple H. Sometimes I hate him, sometimes I like him. He is one of the wrestlers that I have grown up watching and he is definitely one of the best heels in WWE's history (even if the reign of terror was true horror). I just can't stand when he's taking up sooo much TV time and buries talent. You can't forget the infamous "broomstick" comment from back in October.

But it seems that he's done a lot of pretty good stuff in his backstage role. Triple H has brought in lots of great talent including Kharma and a few of the guys in FCW such as Dean Ambrose. Recently in an interview with Natalya, she stated that HHH came up the idea of the double sharpshooter around TLC 2010.

[Ryanar]

Triple H is a hell of a superstar, and he would be a HOF even if he didn't marry Steph. Its just that i hated him as a person from 2002-2005, essentially the Ruthless Aggression Era.

Triple H single handedly held down Raw with his lust for holding onto the WHC. Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Kane, Christian, Regal, and other midcarders were all stuck with the Patriotic Pandering and the "Freedom Fries" stupidity that was going on in the states during that time. While Triple H was essentially Hogging the Main Event scene on Raw.

Sure HHH might not have been behind it all, but at that time i was still young and still questioning Kayfabe. He never got his Comeuppance in my eyes because i hated him so much. I think the closest i felt satisfied was when Batista beat the hell out of him in the HIAC, and even then he came back and beat Ric Flair up for no reason.

Looking back on it he was the ultimate heel, but i can't forget the monday nights where i went to bed pretty pissed off.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

I've enjoyed most of HHH's career. I think the only times where I've never cared for him were times when he would dominate feuds to the point where by the time he ever got his just desserts, I no longer cared. Examples of this were Goldberg, Kane, Booker, RVD, Spirit Squad, etc.

However, when he has compelling feuds with guys who are booked as his equal or even his better, they result in some of my favorite feuds of all time. He's feuds with Rock, Batista, Austin, Cena, Legacy, Rated RKO, Flair, HBK, and his current feud with Taker all come to mind as examples. All great feuds where his success in those feuds were very questionable and it was interesting to see how he was going to fight back from adversity and win them(If he could).

Basically, when he's not booked as an unstoppable God like he was through most of 2003, he makes for a great character who can cut great promos and wrestle great matches.